Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[Huckleberry1]

If Vrabs comes McDaniels is most likely with him.
So the question I would have would be would Josh and Mike allow Alex to stay on as QB coach?
I think that’s best case scenario for Mayes development.
I’m having a hard time deciding is Vrab and Josh a better solution than Ben Johnson would be?

For some reason you don’t seem to grasp the fact that MacDaniels and Van Pelt run different offenses. And I know you have been told it because it has come up in every thread about replacing the coaching staff: Under no circumstances should they go back to the Erhardt-Perkins timing offense. They should keep Maye in the West Coast offense that suits him perfectly. They should stay away from Daboll, and MacDaniels and any other coordinator that runs the E-P system, if there are any other than those two. Maye is acclimating perfectly to running the west coast offense, and keeping him in it has to be a priority for any coaches they bring in. He gets this offense, and they should never **** that up.

 

[Love The Drake]

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For some reason you don’t seem to grasp the fact that MacDaniels and Van Pelt run different offenses. And I know you have been told it because it has come up in every thread about replacing the coaching staff: Under no circumstances should they go back to the Erhardt-Perkins timing offense. They should keep Maye in the West Coast offense that suits him perfectly. They should stay away from Daboll, and MacDaniels and any other coordinator that runs the E-P system, if there are any other than those two. Maye is acclimating perfectly to running the west coast offense, and keeping him in it has to be a priority for any coaches they bring in. He gets this offense, and they should never **** that up.

I think Josh is more versatile than you and some others give him credit for.
He can def create the prefect offense to use Mayes strengths and limit his weaknesses.
Van Pelt is more about his mechanics his footwork and a cool head to talk to.
Mcdaniels is more a game planner play designer and a firefly guy when he needs to be.
I think it could work.

 

[Family]

I don't disagree with most of what you said, but I do have to wonder what happens behind closed doors and how much stock (if any) to put into what someone like Wise has said very recently. I didn't really see mass quitting last week. I did see mass suckage, especially after they lost their best player (Gonzo) while only losing 7-0 at the time.

He noted that Mayo’s leadership was one of the best he’s been around, which is saying a lot from a team captain and Super Bowl champion.

I think Mayo is rightfully all this for a guy like Wise, who has been around since Mayo's coaching beginning, and was likely a great example of professionalism along with great teaching since almost his first NFL days..

But it takes more to be a head coach, and Wise is unlikely to see it because Mayo is a mentor type to him.

But young guys like Keion White who have only seen Mayo at a higher level of coaching don't seem impressed. They don't have that past, where Mayo might be a great positions coach, and leader/teacher/mentor in that sort of one on one situation.

It's not a knock on Mayo, that these fantastic abilities don't make him a decent head coach. He might even be too good of a guy. But IMO he lacks a lot for this job that even experience won't overcome, no matter what some of the veterans on the team hope.

 

[Huckleberry1]

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I think Josh is more versatile than you and some others give him credit for.
He can def create the prefect offense to use Mayes strengths and limit his weaknesses.
Van Pelt is more about his mechanics his footwork and a cool head to talk to.
Mcdaniels is more a game planner play designer and a firefly guy when he needs to be.
I think it could work.

This is ********. MacDaniels runs a system, and he brings that system with him. He isn’t going to drop his system and start running a west coast offense. That’s called magical thinking, and it’s not tied to reality.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I think Mayo is rightfully all this for a guy like Wise, who has been around since Mayo's coaching beginning, and was likely a great example of professionalism along with great teaching since almost his first NFL days..

But it takes more to be a head coach, and Wise is unlikely to see it because Mayo is a mentor type to him.

But young guys like Keion White who have only seen Mayo at a higher level of coaching don't seem impressed. They don't have that past, where Mayo might be a great positions coach, and leader/teacher/mentor in that sort of one on one situation.

It's not a knock on Mayo, that these fantastic abilities don't make him a decent head coach. He might even be too good of a guy. But IMO he lacks a lot for this job that even experience won't overcome, no matter what some of the veterans on the team hope.

I'm not necessarily defending Mayo here, but a lot of people are latching onto Keion White's comments. Let's take a step back and ask ourselves, who the **** Keion White is as some authority figure here.

He's a 2nd year player who was drafted with effort concerns. He came in here and didn't earn much as a rookie. In year 2 he got handed a huge role and keeps getting bonehead penalties and showing an inability to contain on the edge. There's no way I can believe he's being coached to let the QB run by him out of the pocket and rack up stupid roughing and late hit penalties. Seems like he just doesn't understand how to play with discipline. For all his talk about wanting to win, he's *****ed and moaned about how he'd rather play inside even though he's our best edge rusher still. He's not exactly a "do what's best for the team" guy so far.

People want to make Keion White some martyr because he said some things that could be taken as mean against the head coach everyone hates, but I don't see the same positive outlook for White that others do here. Seems like someone who should be shipped out if he has any suitors, IMO. He's conducting himself like a front runner who needs to get on a good team because he's not disciplined enough to be a leader and play the right way if the team is losing.

 

[Ross12]

I don't disagree with most of what you said, but I do have to wonder what happens behind closed doors and how much stock (if any) to put into what someone like Wise has said very recently. I didn't really see mass quitting last week. I did see mass suckage, especially after they lost their best player (Gonzo) while only losing 7-0 at the time.

He noted that Mayo’s leadership was one of the best he’s been around, which is saying a lot from a team captain and Super Bowl champion.

I put zero stock into it, because he’s a pending free agent and knows his best chance at a good payday is by sucking up here.

 

[Love The Drake]

I put zero stock into it, because he’s a pending free agent and knows his best chance at a good payday is by sucking up here.

I said the same.
He Knows a new HC/GM is brining in their own style of players.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm not necessarily defending Mayo here, but a lot of people are latching onto Keion White's comments. Let's take a step back and ask ourselves, who the **** Keion White is as some authority figure here.

He's a 2nd year player who was drafted with effort concerns. He came in here and didn't earn much as a rookie. In year 2 he got handed a huge role and keeps getting bonehead penalties and showing an inability to contain on the edge. There's no way I can believe he's being coached to let the QB run by him out of the pocket and rack up stupid roughing and late hit penalties. Seems like he just doesn't understand how to play with discipline. For all his talk about wanting to win, he's *****ed and moaned about how he'd rather play inside even though he's our best edge rusher still. He's not exactly a "do what's best for the team" guy so far.

People want to make Keion White some martyr because he said some things that could be taken as mean against the head coach everyone hates, but I don't see the same positive outlook for White that others do here. Seems like someone who should be shipped out if he has any suitors, IMO. He's conducting himself like a front runner who needs to get on a good team because he's not disciplined enough to be a leader and play the right way if the team is losing.

I sense the same thing. He started off like gangbusters but has done jack **** the last 15 games. He's sulking because he's getting yelled at for sucking.

 

[n1997y]

I think that is not a bad shout. Personally I think AVP should be kept, he has tailored the Offense to suit a rookie QB and Maye seems to like him. Defensively I think Covington has to be discarded, the defense have been pretty awful.

AVP should be fired. He is a good QB coach, a terrible OC.

 

[n1997y]

Maybe a little bit of a weird idea, but what about if Kevin Stefanski is fired in Cleveland... bringing in Stefanski to NE to replace Mayo but keeping Van Pelt?

Stefanski and Van Pelt were pretty solid together in Cleveland, especially last year. The decision to dump AVP was an ownership problem. AVP's one issue is playcalling, which Stefanski would handle. Stefanski could also likely bring in a solid DC, and they would also most likely be happy to work with Wolf at least for a time.

If Stefanski was open to coming in as an assistant HC and playcaller, while Mayo is kept, maybe that works. If Mayo is still awful next year, Stefanski would be a good interim HC.

No. A clean sweep and fresh start is needed.

 

[n1997y]

Agreed that the coaching needs to change but I find the attacks against Wolf to be unfounded.

He resigned key players, didn't overspend on overrated vets in a weak FA class just to make a splash.

He did the smart thing and drafted the right guy at #3, other GMs might have been cute and traded back.

He had a trade in place with the Bills to move up for Legette but was screwed over. His problem there was inexperience. Seems like he was banking on that trade up and didn't have a good plan in place when that fell through.

Polk was terrible pick. Caledon Wallace too early but not looking good. Layden Robinson shows promise. Baker is not working out. Who knows how Milton is looking but he maybe a serviceable back up QB that will save cap space for other positions for a couple seasons.

Nothing stands out as egregious, not like he chose Mayo and is super committed to him. Wasn't there reports that during training camp that Wolf was having doubts about Mayo being the HC?

Hard disagree.

Only good move Wolf made was a no-brainer, drafting Maye at #3 overall.

He got shut out on useful FA signings. Ditto for OL contributors. He traded down from Ladd McConkey for Polk, then doubled down on WRs with Baker. WTF?

 

[n1997y]

You could be right about Wolf. However, rightfully, wrongfully, and unfortunately the Polk draft really stands out especially after the Mcconkey stats on Sunday against the Pats. But given a choice of Wolf or Mayo, Mayo needs to go and he can take Covington with him.

The first game of the season was deceiving as far as the Offensive Line goes because right after that the offensive line almost became non existent. But the OL also wasn't helped by Jacoby wanting to hold onto the ball so long.

I also agree with you on Milton.

Why not both?

You’re bargaining about the choice of poor performers. Get rid of both.

 

[n1997y]

Personally speaking I think there could be considerations where they bring in Vrabel but keep AVP under him, for Maye's benefit, and keep Wolf in place. Vrabel brings in his own DC/defensive staff and also replaces some people on the offensive staff like WR coach, etc. Probably keep Springer too. They give AVP and Wolf one more year and if it's still bad then Vrabel goes and finds a GM he wants to work with, and also replaces AVP. It'll be less hard to find one under Vrabel and it'll be less impactful on Maye to switch offenses in his 3rd year.

With Vrabel at the helm, they will be able to sign some free agent talent that they couldn't under Mayo and also attract better coaching talent. With that better coaching, there's reason to believe that perhaps some of these much maligned draft picks turn it around and become productive next year, along with next year's crop.

This way it is not TOO much change all at once still, especially on your young QB/offense, but you have much better leadership and in-game decision making, as well as culture.

Only if they keep AVP as QB coach, for Maye’s benefit, and bring in an OC who can coach the rest of the O, and call plays.

 

[n1997y]

Just imagine the feelings of the fans and players in these two scenarios;

1) The Pats keep Mayo

2) The Pats fire Mayo and hire Vrabel.

One decision demoralizes the fan base and they start leaving or finding other interests,

The other decision invigorates the fans and players.

I would be in favor of just firing Mayo now and using AVP as interim coach for the last game.

There is nothing Mayo can do in the final game to make things better.

That should’ve been done within hours of laying that turd against the Chargers.

Having missed that window let him have his last hurrah Sunday, and part ways with him after the game. Don’t wait for Black Monday.

 

[n1997y]

What I mean is yes it’s a huge first step but Mayo will never get the benefit of working with a fully operational staff.

I don’t know if our staff is small due to money but the Rams or Niners have dozens more front office people.

Not a problem. Mayo tried and was unable to hire a full staff, from what I’ve seen on here.

 

[n1997y]

I sense the same thing. He started off like gangbusters but has done jack **** the last 15 games. He's sulking because he's getting yelled at for sucking.

He also showed flashes at first and has regressed. I think he knows he’s not getting the coaching he needs.

 

[festy1986]

Felger believes everyone is gonna get fired.

Basically the only one in the media who believes that.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I'm not necessarily defending Mayo here, but a lot of people are latching onto Keion White's comments. Let's take a step back and ask ourselves, who the **** Keion White is as some authority figure here.

He's a 2nd year player who was drafted with effort concerns. He came in here and didn't earn much as a rookie. In year 2 he got handed a huge role and keeps getting bonehead penalties and showing an inability to contain on the edge. There's no way I can believe he's being coached to let the QB run by him out of the pocket and rack up stupid roughing and late hit penalties. Seems like he just doesn't understand how to play with discipline. For all his talk about wanting to win, he's *****ed and moaned about how he'd rather play inside even though he's our best edge rusher still. He's not exactly a "do what's best for the team" guy so far.

People want to make Keion White some martyr because he said some things that could be taken as mean against the head coach everyone hates, but I don't see the same positive outlook for White that others do here. Seems like someone who should be shipped out if he has any suitors, IMO. He's conducting himself like a front runner who needs to get on a good team because he's not disciplined enough to be a leader and play the right way if the team is losing.

I just listened to a number of Keion's recent soundbites and read as much of the KGur quotes I can find, and I just don't see what the big deal is about his comments. He first and foremost blames himself in every interaction - Belichickian to a fault, but acknowledges that if they keep losing (and badly), then something clearly needs to change as a whole, and he can only change what he can control - himself. Even the "where the cards may lie in my future" is clearly a nod to his suckage based on what he said immediately following. I don't see that as a hit to Mayo or anyone in particular. It's a hit to himself and the whole org à la "We all need to coach and play better" that we've heard a zillion times.

That being said... ForFooksSake Mayo: “We kind of talked through it, some of the things, the way he said it, isn’t what he meant [but then Keion said "I stand by everything I said"],” Mayo said. “But that’s what it is when you talk to the media. Make sure that every word is concise and clear. But we’re on a good page.”

He might be a good leader behind closed doors but my WORD, he needs to work on his frickin' communication skills or leadership skills in front of the media, as I'm sure, "the way he said it, isn't what he meant," probably isn't what Mayo intended to say as it resulted in sounding really patronizing to Keion. Frustratingly difficult to defend. Yeah he's way more than likely not the guy, but I'm still willing to see if Mayo will grow from this. Sheesh.

 

[Love The Drake]

Felger believes everyone is gonna get fired.

Basically the only one in the media who believes that.

Link?

How often is he typically correct?

 

[Ross12]