Giants WON - we now have the #1 pick

[Ray Ray 717]

Trade back, get more assets and take a left tackle, double up later and take another.

Awful plan. it’s a shame you don’t value the skilled positions.

 

[slash83]

Hopefully Gonzo sits next week.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

After the combine and pro days we’ll have a better idea of the direction they should go. Either way they could trade back a couple spots and still get a franchise tackle… teams need QB’s and often overpay.

There are none. Campbell is a fat gator armed guard. There are a couple highly talented wide receivers that will help develop our young QB, unless you think he can win with the steady pile of garbage we currently have

 

[captain stone]

If you are rooting for a win next week you are a ****ing sicko

Yep; to those who’ve wanted “wins” the last few weeks when it became painfully obvious that we weren’t making the POs, because winning a couple of completely meaningless games would help establish a winning “culture” here: There is NO “winning culture” here, and there hasn’t been one here in FIVE ****ING YEARS.

Blow it up, Jonathan… ALL OF IT.

 

[captain stone]

Hopefully Gonzo sits next week.

Drake Maye too.

 

[PatsFan2]

There are none. Campbell is a fat gator armed guard. There are a couple highly talented wide receivers that will help develop our young QB, unless you think he can win with the steady pile of garbage we currently have

Fat Gator armed Guard.

 

[Rob0729]

Fat Gator armed Guard.

I am not advocating drafting Campbell, but I think people overplay his arm length. He arm length is only a half an inch shorter than Joe Staley's and the same arm length as Donald Penn. Staley was a multiple All Pro. Penn was a multiple Pro Bowler.

And the Pats had a guy who people thought had too short of arms to play tackle and ended up playing tackle for the Pats, granted with far less success, in Marcus Cannon.

Not saying Campbell will be any good at LT in the NFL or won't have to switch to guard as many think he will, but I think people are writing him off as a potentially franchise LT too quickly because of his arm length.

 

[Pape]

is anyone else wondering "what the **** were the giants thinking"

 

[KCSVEN]

All this talk on trade down and reset the franchise lets revisit the Bears trade:

Looking at what the Bears got for Bryce Young:
-OT Darnell Wright-78 grade this year PFF, Bears fans consider him an above average Tackle that they expect was better based on a top 10 pick, consensus is he should have been drafted around #32.
-CB Tyrique Stevenson-58 grade PFF average over 2 seasons-bad advanced analytics, Bears fans say he sucks
-WR DJ Moore-Good WR, not great, excellent #2 on a good team
-QB Caleb Williams-Might be a 15th best QB as an upside but also might bust and been underwhelming, takes too many sacks, small size etc.
-2nd round pick 2025 in a weak draft

They could have taken Will Anderson (Defensive ROY-11 sacks this year) or Devon Witherspoon (shut down corner). Then drafted JJ McCarthy (Or Penix but why?) in 2025

I'm not sure Bears would be much worse off not having made that trade.

They know they got out of it a good #2 receiver and, at best, slightly above average Tackle out of the deal.

They could have had a shutdown corner or a top pass rusher and JJ McCarthy.

Yes, the Bears could have taken Nabers #1 and then taken McCarthy this year, but the point is a trade down is no magical reset of a franchise. The best NON-QB players are at the top of the draft. Trading down is a huge risk of losing an elite talent.
Just a cautionary tale.

From 2014-2023
-80% of the first non-Qb's taken played in a pro bowl
-65% of the top 4 non-QB's played in a Pro Bowl
-On average After the 6th picked non-QB drafted the # of players in the pro bowl % wise really dropped off. 3 of the years it was after the top 4.

Best talent is top of the draft, there are maybe 4-6 non QB's that will have at least 1 really good season. Trading out of those spots for picks outside that range has not historically been better than just drafting the great player.

 

[KCSVEN]

I am not advocating drafting Campbell, but I think people overplay his arm length. He arm length is only a half an inch shorter than Joe Staley's and the same arm length as Donald Penn. Staley was a multiple All Pro. Penn was a multiple Pro Bowler.

We don't know his arm length for sure yet, best estimates is he is 32.5 which is an inch shorter than Staley

It's a percentage game, no Tackle has been successful with less than 33" arms, so why HOPE that he is a complete outlier and can overcome this when drafting top 5? Odds are heavily against it. That's why you don't draft Young high in the draft, no QB of that size has made it.

Second round? Sure,
Late first as a guard? Sure
The % chance of being an NFL tackle is so low, take someone else with a better chance of success.

 

[vicspats]

Well, he probably wouldn’t have traded the pick with SD. He would see too much of Edelman in McConkey.

Don’t know if he would have drafted Maye though.

I’m saying this draft .. with the #1 pick

 

[Froob]

We are the worst team in the league. Thanks Mayo and Wolf.

assists to Belichick as well

 

[signbabybrady]

assists to Belichick as well

I don't agree with that he was absolved the moment Kraft decided not to give him a chance to fix his own mess. One of the reasons I thought it was so dumb to fire Bill was because he had a better chance of fixing this and fixing it quickly then the next 5 unknown coaches combined but instead everyone wanted to run blindly into the fire and found Mayo at their side instead so you probably shouldn't pile on Bill anymore.

 

[Froob]

I don't agree with that he was absolved the moment Kraft decided not to give him a chance to fix his own mess. One of the reasons I thought it was so dumb to fire Bill was because he had a better chance of fixing this and fixing it quickly then the next 5 unknown coaches combined but instead everyone wanted to run blindly into the fire and found Mayo at their side instead so you probably shouldn't pile on Bill anymore.

Starting after Tom's last year, we had a worse record than the year before every year but 2021. Kept drafting guards when we needed tackles. Couldn't find a way to get production out of Jonnu and Nelly who both contributed more elswhere.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Drake Maye too.

Lets see what Milton looks like.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

assists to Belichick as well

We're in this mess because of BB's poor drafting and the people they put in a higher position since then.

 

[ViperGTS]

is anyone else wondering "what the **** were the giants thinking"

Same thing people with be saying when Sly hits a game winning field goal with :02 seconds left Sunday.

 

[ViperGTS]

I don't agree with that he was absolved the moment Kraft decided not to give him a chance to fix his own mess. One of the reasons I thought it was so dumb to fire Bill was because he had a better chance of fixing this and fixing it quickly then the next 5 unknown coaches combined but instead everyone wanted to run blindly into the fire and found Mayo at their side instead so you probably shouldn't pile on Bill anymore.

Bill is here, Maye isn't here. Thats a fact. I'd be for bringing him back now that the QB is here. I even suggested that, have him sit out a year, then come back.

 

[TommyD4207]

We're in this mess because of BB's poor drafting and the people they put in a higher position since then.

He's been gone an entire year.

 

[bresna]

If they get the number one pick, I hope they trade it for a later round 1 pick and another round 2. This team is far far away from being good and one player isn't going to change that. Hell, 4 good draft picks isn't going to change it.