Kayshon Boutte

[RobertWeathers]

If AVP stays, he needs to figure out how to better get Pop going. Need to incorporate some of those short option routes like the prior patriots offense has where he can use his short area separation skills. They simply around running him on routes to take advantage of his best skills.

Get him going in what way? Hes a complimentary player. I don't think we want to see him with 10+ targets a game.

His issue is his target depth is 1/2 of what it was last year. Thats more due to the line and a rookie QB. He could be limited by his lack of understanding of the offense/reading defenses. Who knows.

 

[EMpats]

Get him going in what way? Hes a complimentary player. I don't think we want to see him with 10+ targets a game.

His issue is his target depth is 1/2 of what it was last year. Thats more due to the line and a rookie QB. He could be limited by his lack of understanding of the offense/reading defenses. Who knows.

Yes he’s a complementary player, but he’s capable of more impact plays than he’s having right now. He showed that last year and in certain games this year. You’re right that the target depth is a big factor in that but I think it’s about the route types more than the blocking. The Texans game is a good example of the impact he can have if they run him more in the intermediate area than just within 5 yards of the LOS.

 

[Patriot Missile]

It's unfortunate I had high hopes for polk and baker.. feel like bust to me..

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Yes he’s a complementary player, but he’s capable of more impact plays than he’s having right now. He showed that last year and in certain games this year. You’re right that the target depth is a big factor in that but I think it’s about the route types more than the blocking. The Texans game is a good example of the impact he can have if they run him more in the intermediate area than just within 5 yards of the LOS.

Soda Pop is a JAG.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

If AVP stays, he needs to figure out how to better get Pop going. Need to incorporate some of those short option routes like the prior patriots offense has where he can use his short area separation skills. They simply around running him on routes to take advantage of his best skills.

They don't want to run the Erhardt-Perkins offensive system that prior Patriots offenses did though. People have talked about how the Pats have been rebuilding for multiple years just because the record was middle of the pack or bad. This is the real difference between actually rebuilding like they are now vs. just not having the record you hoped. If Pop Douglas can't excel running the offensive concepts they want to feature, then he's trade bait or just someone you continue to keep in a bit role.

He's got some skills but he's not that good. You don't alter philosophy to accommodate him. If they want to move to the modern west coast offense then everyone on the team needs to be brought along with that. You don't stunt your progress in learning that system just to get a guy who shouldn't be any higher than 3rd or 4th on the depth chart some catches. It'd be different if they were actually competing.

 

[Real fan 02]

They don't want to run the Erhardt-Perkins offensive system that prior Patriots offenses did though. People have talked about how the Pats have been rebuilding for multiple years just because the record was middle of the pack or bad. This is the real difference between actually rebuilding like they are now vs. just not having the record you hoped. If Pop Douglas can't excel running the offensive concepts they want to feature, then he's trade bait or just someone you continue to keep in a bit role.

He's got some skills but he's not that good. You don't alter philosophy to accommodate him. If they want to move to the modern west coast offense then everyone on the team needs to be brought along with that. You don't stunt your progress in learning that system just to get a guy who shouldn't be any higher than 3rd or 4th on the depth chart some catches. It'd be different if they were actually competing.

The( Brady)QB, respectively, and the coaching isn't I'm place to run that system. AVP has a good system. We need the OL to be far better to allow AVPs system to really flourish. Once we get some players in here WR and OL this offense can take off to the next level. What Drake is doing with 3s and 4s is just remarkable

 

[mgteich]

If AVP stays, he needs to figure out how to better get Pop going. Need to incorporate some of those short option routes like the prior patriots offense has where he can use his short area separation skills. They simply around running him on routes to take advantage of his best skills.

You act as if Douglas is a huge resource that AVP MUST develop.

Pop is a slot receiver that shares a lot of the over the middle stuff with others in AVP's offense, especially with TE's. I don't expect Douglas to be more than the #4 receiver at best next year. Certainly 2 WR's and Henry should be ahead of him plus perhaps one or two others.

 

[mgteich]

Yes he’s a complementary player, but he’s capable of more impact plays than he’s having right now. He showed that last year and in certain games this year. You’re right that the target depth is a big factor in that but I think it’s about the route types more than the blocking. The Texans game is a good example of the impact he can have if they run him more in the intermediate area than just within 5 yards of the LOS.

Sure, the worse you make our receiving corps the better Douglas will look. I expect that 2 WR not now on the team will be leading the WR's plus Boutte and Bourne. But I do agree the Douglas could be our long-term slot receiver.

 

[Zuma]

They don't want to run the Erhardt-Perkins offensive system that prior Patriots offenses did though. People have talked about how the Pats have been rebuilding for multiple years just because the record was middle of the pack or bad. This is the real difference between actually rebuilding like they are now vs. just not having the record you hoped. If Pop Douglas can't excel running the offensive concepts they want to feature, then he's trade bait or just someone you continue to keep in a bit role.

He's got some skills but he's not that good. You don't alter philosophy to accommodate him. If they want to move to the modern west coast offense then everyone on the team needs to be brought along with that. You don't stunt your progress in learning that system just to get a guy who shouldn't be any higher than 3rd or 4th on the depth chart some catches. It'd be different if they were actually competing.

Fwiw Douglas will have more receiving yards and touchdowns in 2024 than 2023. His catch percentage is excellent at 76. AVP prefers to utilize 2 TE’s instead of a 3rd WR. Henry, Hooper and Boutte (and Bourne when he’s playing) all see more snaps than Douglas which limits his opportunities to catch a football.

 

[mgteich]

Fwiw Douglas will have more receiving yards and touchdowns in 2024 than 2023. His catch percentage is excellent at 76. AVP prefers to utilize 2 TE’s instead of a 3rd WR. Henry, Hooper and Boutte (and Bourne when he’s playing) all see more snaps than Douglas which limits his opportunities to catch a football.

I agree.

And since I expect our WR group to be much better in 2025 (by two additions better than anything we have), Douglas will likely get even fewer opportunities in 2025.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Kid has made some nice plays
Could make a solid 3 if we get a true #1

 

[TheRainMaker]

He has the most plays over 20 yards of any offensive player on the Pats this season. Many of us didn't like him getting sent home for the season after him not toe tapping in the first game of his NFL career week 1 of the season. Very bizarre move by Bill.

I don't think this guy is going to be a stud WR, but he'll be a nice complement at the position. He could be like what Brisby, Patten, Gaffney, or Amendola type players.

 

[EMpats]

They don't want to run the Erhardt-Perkins offensive system that prior Patriots offenses did though. People have talked about how the Pats have been rebuilding for multiple years just because the record was middle of the pack or bad. This is the real difference between actually rebuilding like they are now vs. just not having the record you hoped. If Pop Douglas can't excel running the offensive concepts they want to feature, then he's trade bait or just someone you continue to keep in a bit role.

He's got some skills but he's not that good. You don't alter philosophy to accommodate him. If they want to move to the modern west coast offense then everyone on the team needs to be brought along with that. You don't stunt your progress in learning that system just to get a guy who shouldn't be any higher than 3rd or 4th on the depth chart some catches. It'd be different if they were actually competing.

Because there offensive philosophy is so good and working so well? Good coaches tweak systems to fit their talent. Douglas is one of the very few guys on this team who has any. And AVP isn’t taking advantage of his best skills in an offense that needs anything it can get. You don’t need the EP offense to incorporate more route variety for Douglas.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Its only 1 great game vs a terrible Buffalo defense, but I will take what I can get.

7 targets - 5 receptions = 71% catch rate.

Boutte always had potential coming out of the draft. The concerns with him had more to do with character and health.

If Boutte can carry this success forward and keep his nose clean, he will be a valuable part of our WR corps going forward.

"Strengths
When Boutte is at the top of his game, his tape is highlighted by explosive acceleration, apparent straight-line speed, and movement skills that demonstrate agility and twitchiness.

His acceleration appears almost effortless. When he hits top speed, there are few defensive players who can catch him. His lateral agility is impressive, cutting and changing direction with the same level of ease with which he accelerates.

That translates to the route-running element of Boutte’s scouting report. He’s a clean, sudden route runner who can break from his route at the drop of a penny.

The ability to flip his body effortlessly means he can set up his coverage defender one way before whipping in the opposite direction and catching the ball in yards of space. The LSU WR also demonstrates the intelligence to find soft spots and maneuver into holes in coverage."

Scouting report: Kayshon Boutte, WR, LSU | NFL Draft Scouting Report

 

[Triumph]

Boutte always had potential coming out of the draft. The concerns with him had more to do with character and health.

If Boutte can carry this success forward and keep his nose clean, he will be a valuable part of our WR corps going forward.

"Strengths
When Boutte is at the top of his game, his tape is highlighted by explosive acceleration, apparent straight-line speed, and movement skills that demonstrate agility and twitchiness.

His acceleration appears almost effortless. When he hits top speed, there are few defensive players who can catch him. His lateral agility is impressive, cutting and changing direction with the same level of ease with which he accelerates.

That translates to the route-running element of Boutte’s scouting report. He’s a clean, sudden route runner who can break from his route at the drop of a penny.

The ability to flip his body effortlessly means he can set up his coverage defender one way before whipping in the opposite direction and catching the ball in yards of space. The LSU WR also demonstrates the intelligence to find soft spots and maneuver into holes in coverage."

Scouting report: Kayshon Boutte, WR, LSU | NFL Draft Scouting Report

Boutte had 1st round potential, but things took a turn South at LSU.

Its encouraging to me that he didn't quit on the Pats when he had every reason to do so.

 

[PatsFan2]

Kid has made some nice plays
Could make a solid 3 if we get a true #1

Correction a True #1 and #2 Boutte has played better than that #4 Pop Douglas.

 

[PatsFan2]

Pop Douglas have been hovering around the 500yds mark as long as Polk has been around the 87 yards mark...misery loves company.

 

[PatMan]

Fwiw Douglas will have more receiving yards and touchdowns in 2024 than 2023. His catch percentage is excellent at 76. AVP prefers to utilize 2 TE’s instead of a 3rd WR. Henry, Hooper and Boutte (and Bourne when he’s playing) all see more snaps than Douglas which limits his opportunities to catch a football.

Great post. Thanks for the info.

 

[JohnJH]

They don't want to run the Erhardt-Perkins offensive system that prior Patriots offenses did though. People have talked about how the Pats have been rebuilding for multiple years just because the record was middle of the pack or bad. This is the real difference between actually rebuilding like they are now vs. just not having the record you hoped. If Pop Douglas can't excel running the offensive concepts they want to feature, then he's trade bait or just someone you continue to keep in a bit role.

He's got some skills but he's not that good. You don't alter philosophy to accommodate him. If they want to move to the modern west coast offense then everyone on the team needs to be brought along with that. You don't stunt your progress in learning that system just to get a guy who shouldn't be any higher than 3rd or 4th on the depth chart some catches. It'd be different if they were actually competing.

I know it's especially going to be difficult without a decent OL (and quality OL Depth), which if it doesn't get your Franchise QB injured, will make even a mobile one have a hard time getting the ball to any receiver, even good ones. That being said, Douglas is at best, a player that should be your #4 WR at best. And I believe that despite all of what I've said, he seems to be (at least to this point), overrated.

 

[JohnJH]

Boutte had 1st round potential, but things took a turn South at LSU.

Its encouraging to me that he didn't quit on the Pats when he had every reason to do so.

Even if we get a legit #1 and #2 WR's, Boutte does have talent. He's a keeper. And, until he had problems at LSU, he was not only a solid 1st Round talent, but could have been a Top 10 player.