Comparing 2021 and 2024 offensive rosters

[Ross12]

I have seen many posts over the course of the season that talk about how Mac Jones/Bill/Josh McDaniels/etc had an impressive 2021 but that it was mostly due to the talent on the team, and that Drake Maye/Mayo/AVP have so much less to work with. But if you actually compare the offensive rosters... well...

I decided to list out the starters at each position. No commentary from me. Draw your own conclusions in the thread here.

QB:
2021: Mac Jones
2024: Drake Maye

RB:
2021: Rhamondre Stevenson, Damien Harris
2024: Rhamondre Stevenson, Antonio Gibson

WR:
2021: Kendrick Bourne, Jakobi Meyers, Nelson Agholor, N'Keal Harry
2024: Kendrick Bourne, Kayshon Boutte, Pop Douglas, Ja'lynn Polk

TE:
2021: Hunter Henry, Jonnu Smith
2024: Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper

OL:
2021: Isaiah Wynn, Ted Karras, David Andrews, Mike Onwenu, Trent Brown
2024: Vederian Lowe, Layden Robinson, D. Andrews/B. Brown, Mike Onwenu, Demontrey Jacobs

 

[maust]

A healthy 2021 Bourne 55/800 vs a part time 2024 Bourne 24/271 aren't comparable.
But when it comes to WR's the biggest difference is not having a sort of quasi WR1 in Meyers. Meyers wasn't a legit 1 but defense's had to respect him and that took some heat off the other WR's. There's no one on the '24 team comparable.

The biggest single difference on offense is ofc the line. The game is won and lost in the trenches. The disparity there is what's driven the 2024 bus into the ditch. In 2021 the Pats offensive line was rated the league's 6th best, the 2024 line's ranking sits at a vomitous 32nd.
As far as comparing 2021 and 2024 goes that's all we really need to know

 

[jdlboot14]

Correct. Meyers far superior to Boutte. The '21 OL lightyears better than '24 - that is the true difference.
Of course I'll give JMD a major advantage over AVP also.

 

[javajunky]

I want to bring Wynn back as a (third/starter) guard and emergency tackle. Trent Brown blew his patellar tendon this year for being overweight, something we must worry about with Onwenu. A Maye offensive line needs to be filled with athletic, mobile linemen. I only see Wallace and Strange having these traits on the team. I like the team to sign three or four linemen with these traits.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Jonnu Smith has had his best year in Miami with 802 yards as teams are putting all their attention to Hill and Waddle. He was was used very poorly in NE where McDaniels/Patricia set him up for failure with the obvious screen passes.

 

[signbabybrady]

OL and coaching kills the comparison.

Nevermind Bill and how bad the 24 defense is and just give me Josh, an OL, and a full season from Maye and I don't think playoffs would be crazy.

 

[upstater1]

Mac Jones/McDaniels/Belichick did not actually do so hot in the last 3rd of the season.

They had some nice wins early before teams learned about Mac but look at the stats in the last 3rd, and of course the SLOW defense was a huge problem in the latter half as well.

Both this year and last year, there have been games that the Patriots could have easily won to go, say, 7 and 10, which, ironically, was their 2022 record when they were still in the playoff race until the very end.

 

[Real fan 02]

Jonnu Smith has had his best year in Miami with 802 yards as teams are putting all their attention to Hill and Waddle. He was was used very poorly in NE where McDaniels/Patricia set him up for failure with the obvious screen passes.

Alghalor also has shined in Baltimore he's the beneficial of flowers and Bateman on the outside with Henry.

 

[signbabybrady]

Mac Jones/McDaniels/Belichick did not actually do so hot in the last 3rd of the season.

They had some nice wins early before teams learned about Mac but look at the stats in the last 3rd, and of course the SLOW defense was a huge problem in the latter half as well.

Both this year and last year, there have been games that the Patriots could have easily won to go, say, 7 and 10, which, ironically, was their 2022 record when they were still in the playoff race until the very end.

We were 8-9

 

[Ross12]

Yes Meyers is better than Boutte and the OL is better in ‘21 but I feel like people are ignoring how much better Drake is over Mac. This seems like a toss up to me due to that. Of course the OC in ‘21 was a lot better but I am looking at this purely from a roster perspective.

 

[condon84]

There is no comparison. Maye is far superior player than Mac. It was due to superior coaching in 2021 that we have as the reason why we made the playoffs. Put Maye on that team with BBs staff and we might have made a decent run in the playoffs.

That fact that we only have 3 wins with Maye this year is an indictment on the horrible coaching staff we have.

 

[jmt57]

2024 OL is such a distant second behind 2021 OL, it makes all the other positions a moot point.

There should also be categories for HC, OC, and position coaches if we compare the 2024 vs 2021 offenses.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

There is no comparison. Maye is far superior player than Mac. It was due to superior coaching in 2021 that we have as the reason why we made the playoffs. Put Maye on that team with BBs staff and we might have made a decent run in the playoffs.

That fact that we only have 3 wins with Maye this year is an indictment on the horrible coaching staff we have.

Name me a head coach or QB besides Patrick Mahomes that could win with Kendrick Mourn, Kayshon “BooHoo” Boutte, Demario “SodaPop” Douglas, Ja’Lynn “Slowpoke”, and Javon “Bob the Baker” as his receivers?

 

[signbabybrady]

Name me a head coach or QB besides Patrick Mahomes that could win with Kendrick Mourn, Kayshon “BooHoo” Boutte, Demario “SodaPop” Douglas, Ja’Lynn “Slowpoke”, and Javon “Bob the Baker” as his receivers?

Belichick

 

[1960Pats]

A healthy 2021 Bourne 55/800 vs a part time 2024 Bourne 24/271 aren't comparable.
But when it comes to WR's the biggest difference is not having a sort of quasi WR1 in Meyers. Meyers wasn't a legit 1 but defense's had to respect him and that took some heat off the other WR's. There's no one on the '24 team comparable.

The biggest single difference on offense is ofc the line. The game is won and lost in the trenches. The disparity there is what's driven the 2024 bus into the ditch. In 2021 the Pats offensive line was rated the league's 6th best, the 2024 line's ranking sits at a vomitous 32nd.
As far as comparing 2021 and 2024 goes that's all we really need to know

The question we have to ask is what happened between 2021 and now that left this team with so much less talent, which is precisely where they are. Yes, it's what's up front that counts but you still need a QB to win. A vast majority of NYFL games these days are won by the team with the best QB.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Belichick

Well, he didn’t win much the past 5 years

 

[KCSVEN]

There is no comparison. Maye is far superior player than Mac. It was due to superior coaching in 2021 that we have as the reason why we made the playoffs. Put Maye on that team with BBs staff and we might have made a decent run in the playoffs.

That fact that we only have 3 wins with Maye this year is an indictment on the horrible coaching staff we have.

I think that underestimates the offensive line issues, 32nd in the league is pretty bad. Skill position players 32nd in the league, pretty bad also but I think with Maye you could get away with the skill payers and beat some of these Colt-like teams IF the line was better.

The coaching hasn't helped but I think that's more evident on the defensive side of the ball and the fact they refused to name Maye the starter in training camp and give him all the reps right away.

 

[mike_usagisan]

One thing about that 2021 team to remember is that a lot of players were brought in during a massive free agency spending spree. For those talking about all the money we have available to spend in this upcoming free agency spending period, remember that just because we can spend a lot of money doesn't mean that the players available will truly transform this team.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

A healthy 2021 Bourne 55/800 vs a part time 2024 Bourne 24/271 aren't comparable.
But when it comes to WR's the biggest difference is not having a sort of quasi WR1 in Meyers. Meyers wasn't a legit 1 but defense's had to respect him and that took some heat off the other WR's. There's no one on the '24 team comparable.

The biggest single difference on offense is ofc the line. The game is won and lost in the trenches. The disparity there is what's driven the 2024 bus into the ditch. In 2021 the Pats offensive line was rated the league's 6th best, the 2024 line's ranking sits at a vomitous 32nd.
As far as comparing 2021 and 2024 goes that's all we really need to know

This! It also highlights the difference Drake has made. The offense was really dreadful with Jacoby and actually hasn't been half-bad since ... now it's the defense that's the bigger problem. Maybe this year's offense with the 2021 defense is the best combo?

 

[mike_usagisan]

This! It also highlights the difference Drake has made. The offense was really dreadful with Jacoby and actually hasn't been half-bad since ... now it's the defense that's the bigger problem. Maybe this year's offense with the 2021 defense is the best combo?

Can we take 2021's offensive line, though?