If patriots lose out, Travis Hunter could be theirs

[Drunken Cicerone]

Unless you are talking about their first rounder next year this would mean all they are getting is Max Crosby for the 2nd pick in the Draft, that’s highway robbery, and the Patriots are the ones getting robbed.

Agreed and I’d love to have Crosby, but you’d still have to get another first round that deal, maybe you can send back a fourth to even it out but if it’s Crosby and a first you didn’t get your value

 

[Huckleberry1]

agreed....my post was in reference to what players in this draft have all pro potential.

Makes sense, I think Graham and Carter are n that category as well.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Agreed and I’d love to have Crosby, but you’d still have to get another first round that deal, maybe you can send back a fourth to even it out but if it’s Crosby and a first you didn’t get your value

I think the problem is that people tend to count the swapped pick as trade value, when in fact you are getting a worse pick, which isn’t a positive. You always hear people saying a trade to move up for a QB is “31st round picks,” when in fact it’s just 2, because moving back 6 spots doesn’t count as positive trade value.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

If the giants get the first pick in the draft, they should look to trade with the Dallas cowboys so Dallas can get sanders to play qb and sanders to coach them!!!!
But if that does not work, then they have to take hunter, the only blue chip prospect in this draft

We should then call Dallas and give them a chance at the same double sanders deal!!!!

 

[KCSVEN]

Okay, I'm not on the diva WR kick and you have convinced me, this guy is not the answer. I like the Mason Graham pick mgteich proposed.

I do like Emeka Egbuka at Ohio State, just not sure where he'll go and whether they could trade up for him in some scenario. Jeremiah Smith on the same team is not draft eligible until in 2027 is looking like a stud already, Maybe we should stockpile 2027 firsts LOL!

I'm not 100% out on Tet, yet, once the draft gets closer there is a lot more data and tape that shows up. For now, I think he can be a good #2 receiver. But subject to change.

I really want a WR that has shown they can separate against man in college, seems to be the guys that generally translate best to the NFL and we have a number of zone beating wide receivers that can't beat man already.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I'm sick of these contested catch guys. We've had too many of them, to no avail. Just get someone who can get open, and catch the ball.

Rather than a face palm, how about you actually reply with reasonable and articulable facts. How much have you actually studied on T Mac?

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I do like Emeka Egbuka at Ohio State, just not sure where he'll go and whether they could trade up for him in some scenario. Jeremiah Smith on the same team is not draft eligible until in 2027 is looking like a stud already, Maybe we should stockpile 2027 firsts LOL!

I'm not 100% out on Tet, yet, once the draft gets closer there is a lot more data and tape that shows up. For now, I think he can be a good #2 receiver. But subject to change.

I really want a WR that has shown they can separate against man in college, seems to be the guys that generally translate best to the NFL and we have a number of zone beating wide receivers that can't beat man already.

If you question Tet’s ability to beat man, then I question how much tape you have watched on him. He is a man amongst boys, and usually requires double or triple coverage by college defenders

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Every highlight tape of his shows him open by a mile against unranked teams. I'm no college scout, I hardly watch it myself, but I don't have too good of a feeling about him

Look at that YAC ability. It’s incredible for his size.

Would love to hear which college wide receiver you think looks impressive on film

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Every highlight tape of his shows him open by a mile

but but but I thought he couldn’t separate?

 

[Ray Ray 717]

If they have to make the pick at 2 I would take Hunter or Graham. If they are picking around 6 I would go with Graham, if he’s still available, or Campbell. If they go with Graham or Hunter I would then trade up for Simmons or Ersery. If they go Campbell with their first picking would then trade up to get Luther Burden.

If they draft a fat mediocre guard at 6 I will vomit. Better pray they still get a weapon for Maye like Luther Burden otherwise be prepared for a 2 win season in 2025

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Okay, I'm not on the diva WR kick and you have convinced me, this guy is not the answer. I like the Mason Graham pick mgteich proposed.

LOL at drafting defense with our first pick when we have the 31st ranked offense and a young rookie QB who desperately needs explosive weapons to succeed

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Look at that YAC ability. It’s incredible for his size.

Would love to hear which college wide receiver you think looks impressive on film

Am I wrong? YAC is easy to pile up with no defenders in sight. Maybe I'm just not finding the right highlight tapes

 

[KCSVEN]

If you question Tet’s ability to beat man, then I question how much tape you have watched on him. He is a man amongst boys, and usually requires double or triple coverage by college defenders

He beats man by using his size, something he couldn’t do when he faced Travis Hunter, which is more on the lines of what he’s going to face in the pros. You pointed out exactly what I’m saying, he’s going against Lesser talent he can use just his size to win you can’t do that in the pros.

He doesn’t get separation against man
I didn’t say he doesn’t beat man in college. Those are two different things.
Guess who led the entire college in PFF rating in beating press man coverage last year?
Polk!
But Polk had poor separation numbers, I wonder which one translates better to the NFL?

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Am I wrong? YAC is easy to pile up with no defenders in sight. Maybe I'm just not finding the right highlight tapes

3:08 is absolutely sick. He’s not 6’1, he’s 6’5! No man that size should be able to turn direction, accelerate, and cut up the field like that.
3:56 look at that pristine route, separation, agility to make the defender miss
4:54. Triple covered. He makes 6’ d backs look like midgets. Horrible throw from his high school level QB. McMillan goes up and high points it Moss style.
6:45. Beautiful route and separation, showcases his gifted hands, ability to catch any ball away from his body
7:09 double covered? Doesn’t matter. He’s uncoverable at that size and athleticism
8:00 look at that route, breaks defenders angles, and separated for easy touchdown

 

[Huckleberry1]

I would suggest that the man who rarely, if ever, missed with a top 10 pick, would likely trade down a couple of picks and draft Graham.

There is much, much less risk with a DL than with a WR or CB.

I agree. And Belichick was money on top 10 picks.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

He beats man by using his size, something he couldn’t do when he faced Travis Hunter, which is more on the lines of what he’s going to face in the pros. You pointed out exactly what I’m saying, he’s going against Lesser talent he can use just his size to win you can’t do that in the pros.

He doesn’t get separation against man
I didn’t say he doesn’t beat man in college. Those are two different things.
Guess who led the entire college in PFF rating in beating press man coverage last year?
Polk!
But Polk had poor separation numbers, I wonder which one translates better to the NFL?

Polk is a midget. 6” shorter than Tet

Polk’s game film is awful. He had NO yards after catch ability. Tet has some of the finest YAC ability we have seen in a big man

Polk’s hands aren’t even close to Tet. He body catches on film. Tet has the sickest hands I have seen on film in a long time

Tet has acceleration. Polk has zero.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

He beats man by using his size, something he couldn’t do when he faced Travis Hunter, which one translates better to the NFL?

he’ll have Drake Maye in the nfl..instead of that hapless high school level QB throwing him ducks. Makes a big difference

King Tet is a combination of Mike Evans and Plaxico Burress

 

[XLIX]

Hunter isn't going number 2. Certainly not to us.

That is a very strange thing to be so sure of considering the number of mocks which have him going #2 overall.

Consider it breaking news if you thought otherwise.

Then take it up with the OP for starting a thread where people are discussing the situation where Hunter goes to NE at #2.

I disagree with your assessment on the whole from the jump. Id take a first round pick to drop back 3 slots no questions asked.

Consider it breaking news that that's a really stupid thing to say. You absolutely would want to measure who you have available to you at #2 and who would likely be available if you drop 3 spots. "No questions asked" to trade out of #2 is idiotic. Some years you would, other years you wouldn't.

There isn't anyone at 2 that is any more a sure thing than dropping back to 5 or 6 where all of a sudden we've "wasted" our pick.

When has any team traded 3 first rounders for #6?

You said earlier that you take the best player, period.

When did I say that?

You don't trade out and hope to get one from a weaker draft position.

And yet you totally disregard this belief with the attachment of a couple extra first.

Well how does that work? Why does 3 first round picks potentially outside the top 10 outweigh the best possible player at 2? If your scenario is true, the player who's a sure thing outweighs any potential to grab a good player later so why does a couple extra first sway the trade?

Why does a couple extra firsts sway the trade? Are you serious here? Do you honestly not see the difference between trading for 2 first rounders compared to trading for 3 first rounders?

 

[KCSVEN]

Polk is a midget. 6” shorter than Tet

Polk’s game film is awful. He had NO yards after catch ability. Tet has some of the finest YAC ability we have seen in a big man

Polk’s hands aren’t even close to Tet. He body catches on film. Tet has the sickest hands I have seen on film in a long time

Tet has acceleration. Polk has zero.

Have you looked at the historical record of receivers that have poor separation in college?
It’s terrible. And is the number one factor in success in the NFL.
So I’m not sure why you keep mentioning other things.

Yeah, like 10% of first round picks with poor separation overcome that with other skills , that’s not very good odds.

He can be a good number 2 receiver with all the other qualities without separation abilities never going to be a number one, that’s just the fact based on all the receivers drafted the last decade, plus.
In 2023 he was terrible on separation , I have not seen the data for 2024 yet. If it was Terrible again then he’s not a top 10 draft pick he’s just not.
It’s like drafting a LT with arm length under 33 inches or a quarterback that’s under 6 feet tall, you can’t do it in the first half of the first round

If he’s improved his separation on data when it comes out then I’d agree with you,
His release and route running need a lot of work but at least he can work on those things

 

[Huckleberry1]

This is the draft for trading up to bottom of 1st for that OL. None of the OT in this year's draft have the blue chip rep of a top 10 player. If we can move up into bottom of the 1st and get a Matt Light caliber player I'd be ecstatic.

Agree with this 100%