Offseason Needs by Tier

[Fubby]

Tier 1 - If not addressed, the whole front office should be gone

LT
RT
WR1
DT
MLB
FS

Tier 2 - Not good enough

C
LG
DE
CB2
SS

Tier 3 - Could do with improvement

K
WR2

 

[sb1]

Tier 1 - If not addressed, the whole front office should be gone

LT
RT
WR1
DT
MLB
FS

Tier 2 - Not good enough

C
LG
DE
CB2
SS

Tier 3 - Could do with improvement

K
WR2
CB2

QB2 in tier 2 I think. Jacoby is probably gone and Milton hasn’t shown any reason yet to make him the backup

Also that’s a LOT of holes on the roster…

 

[Pape]

There is no tier 3 on this team.

 

[Ring 6]

Tier 1 - If not addressed, the whole front office should be gone

LT
RT
WR1
DT
MLB
FS

Tier 2 - Not good enough

C
LG
DE
CB2
SS

Tier 3 - Could do with improvement

K
WR2
CB2

We realty don’t have a cb2 or wr2 so they should be tier 1
Same with C

 

[farn]

They need to fill up as many positions as possible. Any position they are able to fill will be a win. Personally, I think every position other than QB1 & CB1 needs to be examined, despite the need varying.

 

[TheRainMaker]

This team is in such bad shape, almost every position needs to be addressed (and no, I'm not blaming Bill).

We've seen many teams around the league that never make it out of the grave they dig themselves into. Bob isn't going to get out of it with Wolf, Groh and Mayo. A complete reset needs to happen.

Tier 1:

Almost the entire OL needs to be addressed. Owenu was a massive overpay, but he'll be gone in two years when the Pats can cut him loose.

An elite game changing WR is somehow been really difficult to ask for. Parcells didn't want Glenn, Tony Simmons (2nd round), Tony Gaiter (6th round) and Sean Morey (7th round) were the only drafted during the Carroll years and Bill didn't like drafting them.

I think Barmore's career is over, so DT is now a massive need on defense.

They need a pass rusher. Many of you guys thought White was the second coming of Reggie, but he's awful playing edge. I think he takes over for Wise and would be suited better with his hand in the dirt. Jennings has always been a worthless when rushing the passer. He's a rotational player at best.

Bentley is a fine complementary run support LB, but they need a balance with finding someone that can match up with the current offenses in the NFL. Bentley and Tavai are always liabilities against competent offenses.

CB2 continues to fly under the radar. Teams pick on little Marcus Jones weekly who looks like a gnat getting swatted. He needs to to strictly stay on special teams.

Free and strong S. Dugger is being paid as top S, yet he needs two other S's so he can go back to defending his short area of the field in the box. Dumb signing, but it's only a two year deal where I also think the Pats cut him loose. Mapu won't even make the roster in 2025. He's got the worst field awareness and reaction time since Jordan Richards.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok so let’s break this down.
Assuming the 3 Stooges coaching staff is gone (because “can’t win with them, can’t do it”)

QB. We have the answer. If we build a competitive team we need a better backup.
RB Servicable. Should be a day 3 draft priority.
WR. Clean out the room. Douglass can be a slot guy, anyone else under contract can fight it out for WR4 WR5. We need 2 starters.
TE. Henry is fine. Need a backup and a blocking TE.
OL. Onwenu starting RG. Strange competing for LG or C. Wallace and Robinson can be backups. Get rid of everyone else. Need at least 3 starters and 2 backups.

Defense. I’m going to say we scrap the BB system because no one here understands it. So let’s assume a 4-2 base and if you want 3-3 one DE plays edge OLB

DL- White should be DE over the tackle, not an edge guy and move inside on passing downs. Godchaux is acceptable as a run DT. Can’t count on Barmore. Wise should be replaced. No one else is worth a damn. Need at least 1 starter and 1 backup at both DT and DE.

LB- If healthy Bentley is ok. If not Tavai can fill in. Jennings can play on run downs. No one else is worth a damn. Need another starter. Need better depth.

CB. Gonzo is a good cb1. Jon Jones is toast and not worth the price any more. Austin is at best a guy who plays in we have 2-3 injuries. Marcus Jones is decent nickel corner but inconsistent. No one else is worth a damn. Need a starter and a backup/developmental guy.

S. Duggar and Peppers are both good if used correctly and bad if not. The new system should have Duggar as SS and peppers as the nickel/dime safety plating all over the field. We need a fire safety. Hawkins stinks, Mapu should be moved to LB and compete for a roster spot and Pettus should be bagging groceries.

There are a lot of needs, but we were a 4-13 team that other than Maye decided to skip a year of acquiring capable football players.

 

[patriotsdynasty12189]

Well the good news is we have so many needs that it gives us flexibility come draft time....I think thats a good thing lol. Only position they shouldnt draft with the first round is QB or CB every other position on the table.

 

[sportnik]

Tier 1: An NFL caliber HC
Tier 2: NFL caliber OC, NFL caliber DC, someone to make draft picks that won’t do stupid **** (like drafting Polk over McConkey)

Nothing else matters until these issues are addressed.

 

[borg]

Tier 1 - If not addressed, the whole front office should be gone

LT
RT
WR1
DT
MLB
FS

Tier 2 - Not good enough

C
LG
DE
CB2
SS

Tier 3 - Could do with improvement

K
WR2

Tier 1A

Front office
HC
DC
OC

 

[Huckleberry1]

Tier 1 - If not addressed, the whole front office should be gone

LT
RT
WR1
DT
MLB
FS

Tier 2 - Not good enough

C
LG
DE
CB2
SS

Tier 3 - Could do with improvement

K
WR2

How do you address LT and a WR1 when there is no WR1 in free agency, and you may be forced to find both in the draft? I think a number of needs can be addressed, and I don’t disagree with your priorities, but it takes time to build a great team, and trying to do everything overnight leads to mediocrity.

 

[lancerman]

Tier 1: WR1, OTx2, C
Tier 2: WR2, OLB, MLB, G
Tier 3: DT, CB
Tier 4: K, SS

Honestly most of those could be tier 1, it's just there's no way to address all of them and my priority is based on how crucial the need is and frankly how long we've been without them.

 

[JohnJH]

There is no tier 3 on this team.

We had a solid 2nd Tier and even a 3rd Tier when the Pat's were in their (We're ALWAYS True SB Contenders Years).

 

[Ring 6]

Good summary here of how ****ed we are. Could put this in any of a dozen threads these days.

NFL Notes: Ranking the Patriots’ 10 biggest problems heading into a critical 2025 offeseason

It’s time for the Patriots to look ahead. Here are the 10 biggest problems they must address this offseason.

www.bostonherald.com

 

[Toofy]

This thread is so depressing, not blaming OP or other posters but just acknowledging reality . Makes it look like we will again be a 3-4 win team in 2025.

Folks concentrate more on work, family and hobbies outside of patriots .

I give up !!

Maye would probably be asking for a trade in his 3rd year. That's how bad we are.

 

[Ring 6]

How do you address LT and a WR1 when there is no WR1 in free agency, and you may be forced to find both in the draft? I think a number of needs can be addressed, and I don’t disagree with your priorities, but it takes time to build a great team, and trying to do everything overnight leads to mediocrity.

I think what this organization and fans don’t seem to understand is there are many players in between ProBowler and waiver wire pick up.

We can address every single need this year if
1) Kraft is willing to spend what it takes (doubtful)
2) Wolf is able to properly identify and scale talent (doubtful)
3) This staff is capable of selling free agents on why they should be it of what they are building (doubtful)
4) They make good draft choices including trading down in round 1 to load up in picks (also doubtful)

They do not need pro bowl players or first round picks in every hole. They need capable players in each area as a minimum. There are dozens and dozens of capable players every year in free agency.

Aside from the QB position you can be a contender if you just don’t suck at anything. Step 1 is the fill the suck holes. Capable is ok, better is preferred. More of the same just isn’t acceptable.

 

[Ring 6]

This thread is so depressing, not blaming OP or other posters but just acknowledging reality . Makes it look like we will again be a 3-4 win team in 2025.

Folks concentrate more on work, family and hobbies outside of patriots .

I give up !!

Maye would probably be asking for a trade in his 3rd year. That's how bad we are.

If you put better people in charge it can turn around in 1 season. It’s happened many times.

 

[PatsfanTN]

Tier 1 - If not addressed, the whole front office should be gone

LT
RT
WR1
DT
MLB
FS

Tier 2 - Not good enough

C
LG
DE
CB2
SS

Tier 3 - Could do with improvement

K
WR2

This is the way.

 

[lancerman]

I think what this organization and fans don’t seem to understand is there are many players in between ProBowler and waiver wire pick up.

We can address every single need this year if
1) Kraft is willing to spend what it takes (doubtful)
2) Wolf is able to properly identify and scale talent (doubtful)
3) This staff is capable of selling free agents on why they should be it of what they are building (doubtful)
4) They make good draft choices including trading down in round 1 to load up in picks (also doubtful)

They do not need pro bowl players or first round picks in every hole. They need capable players in each area as a minimum. There are dozens and dozens of capable players every year in free agency.

Aside from the QB position you can be a contender if you just don’t suck at anything. Step 1 is the fill the suck holes. Capable is ok, better is preferred. More of the same just isn’t acceptable.

Yup. There's a lot of positions on this team where just replacing with "league average" would be an upgrade. That's the good news.

The bad news is just the amount of gaps we have and the places where we probably should look for Pro Bowl talent aren't easy. OT is a position you probably want the best possible you can get, and that is one where they don't show up in free agency and you probably need to get the best one or two in the draft. Hell even at OT, just having someone who isn't Lowe standing up and letting a guy run right past him is an upgrade anyways right now.

But other positions, we could do well just upgrading to adequate and not having those spots be true weaknesses.

 

[Ring 6]

Yup. There's a lot of positions on this team where just replacing with "league average" would be an upgrade. That's the good news.

The bad news is just the amount of gaps we have and the places where we probably should look for Pro Bowl talent aren't easy. OT is a position you probably want the best possible you can get, and that is one where they don't show up in free agency and you probably need to get the best one or two in the draft. Hell even at OT, just having someone who isn't Lowe standing up and letting a guy run right past him is an upgrade anyways right now.

But other positions, we could do well just upgrading to adequate and not having those spots be true weaknesses.

We ran a dynasty with capable non-star OTs for 20 years, because we knew how to limit the impact of their weaknesses.