The Case Against Eliot Wolf

[Huckleberry1]

Ivan - I agree that one year is not enough, but even if Wolf did not make the picks, I am sure Kraft/Wolf had private conversations together on what Wolf thought. I mean he worked for Kraft. Even though BB had 100% control it is not logical that Kraft and Wolf never privately spoke. My point is Kraft must have more than one year of information, and maybe that's even why Wolf stays. But the one year argument is weak IMO.

Forgetting that Wolf was granted the third pick every round, every single player after Maye is struggling. Maybe some work out. Ok. And the FA's are a disaster. BUT THAT IS NOT THE REASON I want him fired.

It's approach and philosophy, and that will not change IMO. So whether it's being more comfortable trading down (because the odds are your first draft day move is how you feel most comfortable), or thinking your smarter than everyone by drafting and signing guards to play tackle, this approach feels similar to other years, no matter who was deciding. I don't want this approach and it's illogical to feel that will change, based on his first year.

I'm not even judging Wolf's actual poor moves because the Krafts have more information on this than you or I. You're right. People make mistakes or it does take time to work out. I am mostly judging Wolf's approach and instinct. Even if by some miracle a few of these moves work out, I want that gone. Now!

Family, I don’t get where you got the idea that Wolf worked for Kraft, Belichick hired him, and he reported to him. I don’t know about you but the idea that Belichick’s underlings we’re reporting to Jraft makes no sense to me, and I believe Belichick would have fired Groh or Wolf if they were going behind his back. I know I sure as hell would.

 

[Family]

Family, I don’t get where you got the idea that Wolf worked for Kraft, Belichick hired him, and he reported to him. I don’t know about you but the idea that Belichick’s underlings we’re reporting to Jraft makes no sense to me, and I believe Belichick would have fired Groh or Wolf if they were going behind his back. I know I sure as hell would.

Ivan - Kraft wrote the checks.

You don't think Kraft over heard private discussions?

Sorry you don't understand businessmen from Kraft's generation.

Kraft might not have known every little detail, but it wasn't "what does this guy wolf think?"

Kraft probably knew more truth than Bill.

 

[signbabybrady]

Nah, he doesn't suck.

But Ryland was cheaper, cost controlled and plain old controlled for 3 more years instead of a 1-year rental.

BIG mistake by the front office (surprise emoji incoming).

%76 kicker this season puts him ranks 32 out 38 kickers.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Just to be very clear for everyone. I believe Bill Belichick was in charge of football operations from 2000 to 2024. I believe that he deserves the credit for creating the greatest dynasty in NFL history, drafting and coaching up the greatest player in NFL history, and that he is the GOAT GM and Coach in NFL history. I also believe that he had hits and misses on both draft picks and free agents. He gets the credit for his hits, and blame for his misses. I also believe that every coach and GM has personal hits and misses. I don’t cherry-pick his hits or misses, they are all just part of doing his job, and he did it better than anyone before or after him. If this makes me a Belichick hater then I guess I am a Belichick hater, either way I will be rooting for him at UNC.

Eliot Wolf took over early in 2024. He will be responsible for his hits and misses, and ultimately he will be responsible for the overall direction the franchise takes over

Ivan - Kraft wrote the checks.

You don't think Kraft over heard private discussions?

Sorry you don't understand businessmen from Kraft's generation.

Kraft might not have known every little detail, but it wasn't "what does this guy wolf think?"

Kraft probably knew more truth than Bill.

You claimed Wolf was meeting with him, now you are saying “ Kraft overheard conversations,” WTF? “ You speculate “ What does this guy Wolf think?” That’s a long way from Wolf meeting with Kraft behind Belichick’s back. In fact, that’s really really lame.

 

[Family]

You claimed Wolf was meeting with him, now you are saying “ Kraft overheard conversations,” WTF? “ You speculate “ What does this guy Wolf think?” That’s a long way from Wolf meeting with Kraft behind Belichick’s back. In fact, that’s really really lame.

How does the how even matter?

If you think Kraft didn't know where Wolf stood on many decisions over the years he was employed by the team, then you just don't know how things work in the real world.

 

[Family]

You claimed Wolf was meeting with him, now you are saying “ Kraft overheard conversations,” WTF? “ You speculate “ What does this guy Wolf think?” That’s a long way from Wolf meeting with Kraft behind Belichick’s back. In fact, that’s really really lame.

Ok Kraft first learned of Wolf's opinions only a few months before was hired to run the team. It's the logic of a child, but OK.

BUT THIS PART OF THE POST STILL HOLDS:

Forgetting that Wolf was granted the third pick every round, every single player after Maye is struggling. Maybe some work out. Ok. And the FA's are a disaster. But that is not the reason I want him fired.

It's approach and philosophy, and that will not change IMO. So whether it's being more comfortable trading down (because the odds are your first draft day move is how you feel most comfortable), or thinking your smarter than everyone by drafting and signing guards to play tackle, this approach feels similar to other years, no matter who was deciding. I don't want this approach and it's illogical to feel that will change, based on his first year.

So I am mostly judging Wolf on approach and instinct. Even if by some miracle a few of these moves work out, I want that gone. Now!

 

[VJCPatriot]

If we're judging the 2024 draft for right now, Maye is an A pick, everything else has been an F.

Maye was the only pick Wolf got right, but he was also the most important pick.

Now I can understand people wanting Wolf fired, but Kraft usually gives them longer.

I expect to see Mayo and Wolf back for 2025. If they **** the bed again, I think they are both gone.

Whether this is right or wrong, I expect that's what Kraft will do.

I do however expect to see new coordinators on O and D for 2025 and hopefully a new OL coach as well. These are positions we should interview for as soon as allowed.

 

[lancerman]

Who's Afraid to Fire Eliot Wolf?

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Bobby...o Bobby...

 

[Huckleberry1]

How does the how even matter?

If you think Kraft didn't know where Wolf stood on many decisions over the years he was employed by the team, then you just don't know how things work in the real world.

First you claim Wolf was meeting with Kraft behind Belichick’s back, then you change it to “ Kraft may have overheard discussions..” there’s a huge difference, and if you don’t understand that then you are the one who doesn’t understand the real world.

Bottom line, you are so desperate to slime Wolf that you are making up discussions that there is none it’s of taking place. That’s called make believe.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Ok Kraft first learned of Wolf's opinions only a few months before was hired to run the team. It's the logic of a child, but OK.

BUT THIS PART OF THE POST STILL HOLDS:

Forgetting that Wolf was granted the third pick every round, every single player after Maye is struggling. Maybe some work out. Ok. And the FA's are a disaster. But that is not the reason I want him fired.

It's approach and philosophy, and that will not change IMO. So whether it's being more comfortable trading down (because the odds are your first draft day move is how you feel most comfortable), or thinking your smarter than everyone by drafting and signing guards to play tackle, this approach feels similar to other years, no matter who was deciding. I don't want this approach and it's illogical to feel that will change, based on his first year.

So I am mostly judging Wolf on approach and instinct. Even if by some miracle a few of these moves work out, I want that gone. Now!

You don’t even know what his approach and philosophy are, you are simply throwing **** at the wall. And you seem to believe that you can judge rookies half a season into their careers, which makes you the greatest talent evaluator in history. And, by your talent evaluating standards you would have fired both Belichick and Brady during their first season with the team.x

 

[Family]

First you claim Wolf was meeting with Kraft behind Belichick’s back, then you change it to “ Kraft may have overheard discussions..” there’s a huge difference, and if you don’t understand that then you are the one who doesn’t understand the real world.

Bottom line, you are so desperate to slime Wolf that you are making up discussions that there is none it’s of taking place. That’s called make believe.

You don’t even know what his approach and philosophy are, you are simply throwing **** at the wall. And you seem to believe that you can judge rookies half a season into their careers, which makes you the greatest talent evaluator in history. And, by your talent evaluating standards you would have fired both Belichick and Brady during their first season with the team.x

You must just be a bot.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

If we're judging the 2024 draft for right now, Maye is an A pick, everything else has been an F.

Maye was the only pick Wolf got right, but he was also the most important pick.

Now I can understand people wanting Wolf fired, but Kraft usually gives them longer.

I expect to see Mayo and Wolf back for 2025. If they **** the bed again, I think they are both gone.

Whether this is right or wrong, I expect that's what Kraft will do.

I do however expect to see new coordinators on O and D for 2025 and hopefully a new OL coach as well. These are positions we should interview for as soon as allowed.

No reasonable OC or DC will come to NE with Mayo as head coach. In 2024 the report is that 10+ interviewees declined the position. Now that AVP accepted the position and got fired in 1 year (along with Covington), who in their right mind would accept the position?

Either RK has to keep everyone or fire the lot of them. No-one is going to hire on here to work under a lame duck Mayo HC.

 

[captain stone]

Not to take anything away from Floyd Reese but he was an Advisor it was Caserio who took over after Pioli. I don't think it was a coincidence that Reese was here for some of our better drafts but Nick deserves his credit too.

No he didn't, at least not immediately afterwards.

 

[mgteich]

No reasonable OC or DC will come to NE with Mayo as head coach. In 2024 the report is that 10+ interviewees declined the position. Now that AVP accepted the position and got fired in 1 year (along with Covington), who in their right mind would accept the position?

Either RK has to keep everyone or fire the lot of them. No-one is going to hire on here to work under a lame duck Mayo HC.

ME,
I would fire Convington the day after our last game and have Wolfe start interviewing ASAP with the idea of having a DC and staff ready before free agency starts. So, in 2025, we would revamp the Defense. We would allow AVP to continue to develop the Offense, this time with major additions at OT and WR. I think that with these 4 major additions plus the re-signing of Hooper, the Offense could be an average Offense in 2025, a major, major improvement over 2024.
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DEFENSE
So, let's see if I understand your position,

You believe that Wolf and Mayo are likely to be given another year, and under those circumstances, Covington should stay. I strongly disagree. We need an entire new defensive staff with perhaps an exception or two.

Consider Wolf tells interviewees that the new DC is expected to hire an assistant and an entire staff, and that Wole intends to sign 3-6 major additions on Defense (and would want the DC' input).

UNDER THESE CORCUMSTANCES,
you seem to believe that we can get no one much better than Covington to take the job because Mayo is the HC. You would have Wolfe spend major, major dollar on new acquisitions with the understanding that they would be working for the same coaches as we had in 2024.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

ME,
I would fire Convington the day after our last game and have Wolfe start interviewing ASAP with the idea of having a DC and staff ready before free agency starts. So, in 2025, we would revamp the Defense. We would allow AVP to continue to develop the Offense, this time with major additions at OT and WR. I think that with these 4 major additions plus the re-signing of Hooper, the Offense could be an average Offense in 2025, a major, major improvement over 2024.
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DEFENSE
So, let's see if I understand your position,

You believe that Wolf and Mayo are likely to be given another year, and under those circumstances, Covington should stay. I strongly disagree. We need an entire new defensive staff with perhaps an exception or two.

Consider Wolf tells interviewees that the new DC is expected to hire an assistant and an entire staff, and that Wole intends to sign 3-6 major additions on Defense (and would want the DC' input).

UNDER THESE CORCUMSTANCES,
you seem to believe that we can get no one much better than Covington to take the job because Mayo is the HC. You would have Wolfe spend major, major dollar on new acquisitions with the understanding that they would be working for the same coaches as we had in 2024.

My position is that we need to fire them all. Should have done it when BB left. Or should have left them in lower level positions and hired over them. Wolf has to go first.

Noone is going to quit their job and work under lame duck Mayo. You can promise the world. Chances are too high that Mayo and all his coaches are gone in a year. Who jumps to change jobs with over 50% chance you are fired in 12 months? Noone. It is a crazy suggestion.

Hire Vrabel, McDaniels, and Vrabel knows a GM from Tennessee. Or Flores and his OC and GM candidates from the Vikings. The Vikings are good at offense and drafting so maybe Flores and the Viking guys are the better bet.

 

[Triumph]

Are you having a tough day?

I linked to Blank saying that already.

This isn't hard, Ivan, but you are certainly incredibly deranged when it comes to Belichick.

 

[Triumph]

How can people who supposedly follow the Pats religiously not know that Kraft took some draft power from BB after Brady won # 7?

There were numerous statements by Kraft about his disappointment with the Pats drafts under BB. Post Brady after the winning tailed off.

 

[Family]

Noone is going to quit their job and work under lame duck Mayo. You can promise the world. Chances are too high that Mayo and all his coaches are gone in a year. Who jumps to change jobs with over 50% chance you are fired in 12 months? Noone. It is a crazy suggestion.

Maybe not quit, but you could actually get a top OC with Mayo as coach.

You have Maye, and it's a quick step to the throne of a pretty much guaranteed firing.

 

[upstater1]

OT: I should think Arthur Blank now has $90m reasons to regret going with his idiot GM last year. Talk about a huge mistake.

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