Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[TheRainMaker]

In case I forgot to say it already: #FireMayo

Unless they pull off 3 straight wins, Mayo is going to get fired. The media is talking about his exit daily and how it's a bad look on the Kraft's keeping him for 2025.

You know it's gone nuclear when mild manned Mike Reiss is upset.

 

[Love The Drake]

Unless they pull off 3 straight wins, Mayo is going to get fired. The media is talking about his exit daily and how it's a bad look on the Kraft's keeping him for 2025.

You know it's gone nuclear when mild manned Mike Reiss is upset.

Mike reiss has pumped the brakes.
And Tom Curran is suggesting bringing in a older mentor to help him like Jim Caldwell or sometime of that ilk.

I think we get another year of a big scoop of Mayo.

 

[lancerman]

Breer and Curran already walking everything back. Must of got the “hey stop riling up the fans” message from the Krafts. Sigh.

Hate to say I told you so, but....

Tbh there were just a lot of things in Mayo's favor right now

-first year HC's rarely get let go after a single season unless they dramatically **** up. And not in a "the team isn't buttoned up" sort of way, but an off the field way where they are acting like a lunatic like Urban Meyers or lost the lockeroom.

-For whatever reason the players still have his back and really like him. Why I don't know.

-The last coach only won 4 games so anything in the ballpark isn't going to put a target on his back. It's not like we lost an 8-8 coach and went to 2 or 3 wins.

-There's a general perception across the NFL and it seems like in the front office that the team just isn't good and was always going to have a bad season and were in for a long rebuild. I know some fans here want to think someone else could win a lot more games, but most people just don't believe that. The Patriots were always expected to have as very bad season this year.

-He's a first year HC so there was always some expected growing pains and it seems like Kraft and co factored that in and were okay with the idea that this was a lost season and he could break a few eggs in his development.

-The Patriots are not an attractive location right now with this roster. If you fire him, any coach you bring on is going to have to be sold on the idea that they will come into the worst roster in league and will need to believe they will get some time to work through it. It's very hard to sell that when you just got rid of the GOAT HC who is highly respected and then gave the next guy 1 season. For a lot of HC's that's a major risk and the good prospects have options.

I'm not saying that's a great thing, but those are all pretty big reasons why it's highly unlikely he was only going to get one year even if the prospects don't look great.

 

[lancerman]

Curran's credibility is slipping as he struggles to ride the fence on what should happen with bosom buddy Jerod.

Curran's just a mouth piece for the team. He's going to run with whatever he thinks is the most likely thing to happen. If he senses blood, he'll run with it to be the guy making the noise on a development. If he gets told it's not happening, he'll be the one tempering it so he can say "see all these guys were jumping the guy and I was measured and got it right".

He's worthless as a reporter, but he's probably the easiest way to check the pulse of the team and get a sense for what is going on. He was the one saying the decision was made on Bill after the Colts game even when everyone called him hack for it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Breer and Curran already walking everything back. Must of got the “hey stop riling up the fans” message from the Krafts. Sigh.

They spoke with Mayo and he advised them to just walk it back as he does on a weekly basis.

The one thing that Breer has repeated often is that they need to rid themselves of the hybrid guys and it's going to start with Mapu. I said it all offseason he wasn't cut out for the NFL. He's extremely poor at reacting to plays you can see in the games he's played and as far back as his college film. He won't make the roster for 2025.

 

[Thelonious]

Mike reiss has pumped the brakes.
And Tom Curran is suggesting bringing in a older mentor to help him like Jim Caldwell or sometime of that ilk.

I think we get another year of a big scoop of Mayo.

I see the asserted need to bring in some nanny to help Mayo to "grow into the job" as an admission that Mayo is simply not up to the job, that even the Krafts realize he does not have what it takes. If he needs that much handholding - as he obviously does - you fire him and find someone actually qualified. The process - if that's what it was - by which the Krafts "rebuilt" the team's leadership was an irresponsible **** show. It is time for Johnathan to take the lead, clean house, hire an actually competent HC - Vrabel would be an excellent choice - and let that HC and a compatible GM run the football team. This crap has now been going on for years. If the Krafts don't want to bring the same professionalism to running the team that they presumably do to their other enterprises, they should sell the team to somebody who does.

I've been a fan since the early 60's. The team has gone through stretches where it wasn't very good, as you would expect over so long a time, but I have never seen the team as incompetently managed as this. They have made literally NO progress since Brady left, and that is indefensible.

Curran, by the way, is sacrificing any journalistic integrity he once had - I am a long-time fan of his - on the alter of his affection for (or dependence on) the Krafts and his friendship with Mayo. It is embarrassing to watch.

 

[h0c2000]

I'm afraid RKK is falling victim to his own bias. e.g. I found and kept BB who turned out to be the GOAT HC even after he started 5-11. Just look at the 6 Super Bowls. I see the same thing in Mayo. Sure Jerod's starting poorly but we've got a great QB and he'll turn it around in year 2.

 

[Ross12]

I'm afraid RKK is falling victim to his own bias. e.g. I found and kept BB who turned out to be the GOAT HC even after he started 5-11. Just look at the 6 Super Bowls. I see the same thing in Mayo. Sure Jerod's starting poorly but we've got a great QB and he'll turn it around in year 2.

I do think Bob feels that way, but I’m hoping that Jonathan is trying to make him see the error in that thinking.

 

[TomPatriot]

I'm afraid RKK is falling victim to his own bias. e.g. I found and kept BB who turned out to be the GOAT HC even after he started 5-11. Just look at the 6 Super Bowls. I see the same thing in Mayo. Sure Jerod's starting poorly but we've got a great QB and he'll turn it around in year 2.

I’m betting he regrets it. He knows he didn’t find BB. He knows Bill already had two rings as an DC and was a former HC when he came to NE. BB’s defensive plan for the 1991 SB was in Canton. He was the McVay of his time when he was hired.

Mayo is a good former player who was a defensive co-coordinator for BB for a few years. He had 1% of BB’s experience when he was hired and no significant achievements. When people scoff at DEI, this is what they mean.

 

[Nunchucks]

Hate to say I told you so, but....

Tbh there were just a lot of things in Mayo's favor right now

-first year HC's rarely get let go after a single season unless they dramatically **** up. And not in a "the team isn't buttoned up" sort of way, but an off the field way where they are acting like a lunatic like Urban Meyers or lost the lockeroom.

-For whatever reason the players still have his back and really like him. Why I don't know.

-The last coach only won 4 games so anything in the ballpark isn't going to put a target on his back. It's not like we lost an 8-8 coach and went to 2 or 3 wins.

-There's a general perception across the NFL and it seems like in the front office that the team just isn't good and was always going to have a bad season and were in for a long rebuild. I know some fans here want to think someone else could win a lot more games, but most people just don't believe that. The Patriots were always expected to have as very bad season this year.

-He's a first year HC so there was always some expected growing pains and it seems like Kraft and co factored that in and were okay with the idea that this was a lost season and he could break a few eggs in his development.

-The Patriots are not an attractive location right now with this roster. If you fire him, any coach you bring on is going to have to be sold on the idea that they will come into the worst roster in league and will need to believe they will get some time to work through it. It's very hard to sell that when you just got rid of the GOAT HC who is highly respected and then gave the next guy 1 season. For a lot of HC's that's a major risk and the good prospects have options.

I'm not saying that's a great thing, but those are all pretty big reasons why it's highly unlikely he was only going to get one year even if the prospects don't look great.

If the players like him, they should take a bit more time learning their assignments and being disciplined on the field.

 

[The Gr8est]

Does anyone else hope that when they check this site first thing in the morning, that the headline is there saying “Krafts Fire HC Jerod Mayo” ?

Or is it just me?

 

[mike_usagisan]

I’m betting he regrets it. He knows he didn’t find BB. He knows Bill already had two rings as an DC and was a former HC when he came to NE. BB’s defensive plan for the 1991 SB was in Canton. He was the McVay of his time when he was hired.

Mayo is a good former player who was a defensive co-coordinator for BB for a few years. He had 1% of BB’s experience when he was hired and no significant achievements. When people scoff at DEI, this is what they mean.

Um, every time Bob talks about it, it's about how brave he was to hire Bill after his disastrous tenure in Cleveland. He likes to talk about how others would show him tapes of Bill interacting with the media and what a mistake it would be. His friends couldn't believe Bob was willing to go out on the ledge for Bill.

Bob totally believes he found Bill.

He also probably believes he found Mayo and Mayo just needs more time and isn't he brave for giving Mayo more time.

 

[Thelonious]

Plenty of excuses for Mayo's failures. and plenty of nonsense about how it "makes you look bad" to fire an obviously failing coach after one year (********); but I have not seen a single post which points to any actual accomplishment on Mayo's part this year, nor even any empirical evidence in support of the notion that he will improve going forward. He certainly has not improved on the job this year, and no one can offer any rational basis for assuming he will improve next year.

If Robert cannot see this, he needs to step aside. The fact that Mayo is a "nice guy" for whom Robert feels affection is irrelevant.

I have been following this team through thick and thin for a long time. For the first time over all those decades, I'm losing interest in the team's fate. How does a team with lousy coaching, a lousy roster, a lousy front ofiice, and no apparent intention to do anything about it deserve the fans' support? It doesn't. Life is short. I have other things to do.

 

[mgteich]

Does anyone else hope that when they check this site first thing in the morning, that the headline is there saying “Krafts Fire HC Jerod Mayo” ?

Or is it just me?

It is more important to fire Covington. The Defense was much better last year. The secondary was better last year being led down the stretch with Wade and Bryant carrying much of the load.

To be clear, I think that Wolf should have added a major EDGE playing, given that he knew that Judon was not art of the future. That being said, there is plenty of ammunition to allow us to add several top upgrades on Defense plus draft a couple.

 

[h0c2000]

Um, every time Bob talks about it, it's about how brave he was to hire Bill after his disastrous tenure in Cleveland. He likes to talk about how others would show him tapes of Bill interacting with the media and what a mistake it would be. His friends couldn't believe Bob was willing to go out on the ledge for Bill.

Bob totally believes he found Bill.

He also probably believes he found Mayo and Mayo just needs more time and isn't he brave for giving Mayo more time.

I would suggest some need to watch "The Dynasty" aka "Bob's Golden Ticket to the Golden Jacket". RKK's ****sureness is on full display.

 

[Brotherblues]

This is bad but not as bad as the coaching on the field.

If the coaching was good it would be easy to sweep this under the rug and put it on the growing pains folder but it is just too much **** and this is a billion dollar business, this is not a place to learn on the fly the job.

Its not growing pains. It's who he is. Those are just 6 quotes and not even close to the most egregious ones he has out there.

The words are the window that reveals the man. If he learns to shut up and closes the window, it doesn't change the man behind it.

Besides, if he ever shuts up he'll lose the only thing he's got going which is getting chummy with his boss and his media buddies.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Its not growing pains. It's who he is. Those are just 6 quotes and not even close to the most egregious ones he has out there.

The words are the window that reveals the man. If he learns to shut up and closes the window, it doesn't change the man behind it.

Besides, if he ever shuts up he'll lose the only thing he's got going which is getting chummy with his boss and his media buddies.

I feel about Mayo and his PR blunders the same way I felt about Bill being an ass to the press. I don't really care as long as the coaching is good. The problem for Mayo is that he doesn't have much to show for his coaching so his PR blunders are what we have to talk about.

 

[Love The Drake]

 

[Love The Drake]

Who has the money to pay for a sign in front of Gillette?

 

[Horace's Ivories]

I thought no way he is jettisoned after yr 1 due to optics but I did not imagine he would present as bad as he has.