If patriots lose out, Travis Hunter could be theirs

[festy1986]

Hunter projects to be an instant impact player.



Trading down also has drawbacks. We did it last year and missed out on Ladd McConkey and got back two WRs whose production combined don't even touch his.

Ladd McConkey 12 games 58 catches, 815 yards, 4TDs
Ja'Lynn Polk 12 games 87 yards 2 TDs
Javon Baker 8 games, 1 start, 0 everything.

Trading down AND picking WR never made any damn sense. I can't remember but I think something like 8 WR were already off the board.

So we trezs back, allow for more WR to go off the board, and then grab something like the 9th or 10 WR taken in the first 37 picks.

It never made any sense.

I was fine with trading back as long as we didn't go after a WR which I know doesn't make sense since we badly need not one, not two but 3 quality WR but I was never ever ok with taking the 10th next prospect off the board given our situation.

 

[Real fan 02]

WR has had a better success rate that Offensive Tackles recently...gotta go with the times Wozzy.

That's right even though gonzo shut him down MHJ is having a great year. Show me any OTs this season drafted high that are all pro talent. Your exactly correct PF2

 

[Real fan 02]

Maybe in 1985. Certainly not anymore. Do you watch the rest of the NFL or just the boring hapless patriots offense?


Oh yeah, says whom?


We also need to provide our young rookie QB with actual NFL talent at the skilled positions so he can score in the redzone.

So provide less athletic/less talented receivers for our young rookie QB? Scrape from the bottom of the barrel when it comes to skilled positional players? Kind of like we have done the last 5 years, which produced the worst offense in the NFL?

Agreed 100% even the commentators during the game said because the WRs can't separate.. that basically Marcus Jones has to be brought in. Outside of KB and pop the WR room needs an infusion of high end talent.

 

[KCSVEN]

That's right even though gonzo shut him down MHJ is having a great year. Show me any OTs this season drafted high that are all pro talent. Your exactly correct PF2

I think that's too simple.
Joe Alt is playing well and was leading the all-pro votes and rating as well or better than MHJ. MHJ can't separate, couldn't separate in college, and separation is what "separates" good receivers from great. IMO Alt will have more pro bowls than MHJ.

I don't believe the first round of the draft is as much of a crap shoot as the NFL scouts have made it.
Drake Maye was an elite QB prospect, Nabers was an elite WR prospect, that they were not considered 1 and 2 as prospects in the draft has me questioning WTH scouts look at as those were so obvious. MHJ over Nabers? Made ZERO sense.

Tackles were, by far, the safest draft pick for years, and then a few years ago it stopped being the case. What changed? Nothing really, just the talent.
There is no "WR is more successful to draft than tackle". It's simply analyzing the prospects properly and determining the percent chance of being good or great.
QB's have a list of qualities that translate to the NFL. Receivers have a list of qualities. Tackles have a list of qualities.

Every year is a different set of prospects and whether the wide receiver or tackle available in the top 5 is the best choice comes down to the individual analysis of those players.

IMO This year you have the following players with a greater than 50% chance of success (1st round picks are 50% success rate)
Hunter #1
Campbell #2
Jeanty #3
Graham #4
Carter #5

I expect those 5 to get second contract with their team and the success chance is in the order listed. I don't know if Campbell can play Tackle in the NFL due to arm length but if he cannot then he will succeed at guard.

IMO Everyone else is in the first round 50% or less chance of getting to the second contract with the team that drafts them. It is an historically weak draft with, at most, 12 first round talents (meaning only 5 or 6 of the 12 would succeed in an average year)

 

[Real fan 02]

I think that's too simple.
Joe Alt is playing well and was leading the all-pro votes and rating as well or better than MHJ. MHJ can't separate, couldn't separate in college, and separation is what "separates" good receivers from great. IMO Alt will have more pro bowls than MHJ.

I don't believe the first round of the draft is as much of a crap shoot as the NFL scouts have made it.
Drake Maye was an elite QB prospect, Nabers was an elite WR prospect, that they were not considered 1 and 2 as prospects in the draft has me questioning WTH scouts look at as those were so obvious. MHJ over Nabers? Made ZERO sense.

Tackles were, by far, the safest draft pick for years, and then a few years ago it stopped being the case. What changed? Nothing really, just the talent.
There is no "WR is more successful to draft than tackle". It's simply analyzing the prospects properly and determining the percent chance of being good or great.
QB's have a list of qualities that translate to the NFL. Receivers have a list of qualities. Tackles have a list of qualities.

Every year is a different set of prospects and whether the wide receiver or tackle available in the top 5 is the best choice comes down to the individual analysis of those players.

IMO This year you have the following players with a greater than 50% chance of success (1st round picks are 50% success rate)
Hunter #1
Campbell #2
Jeanty #3
Graham #4
Carter #5

I expect those 5 to get second contract with their team and the success chance is in the order listed. I don't know if Campbell can play Tackle in the NFL due to arm length but if he cannot then he will succeed at guard.

IMO Everyone else is in the first round 50% or less chance of getting to the second contract with the team that drafts them. It is an historically weak draft with, at most, 12 first round talents (meaning only 5 or 6 of the 12 would succeed in an average year)

Good points and I appreciate your research that is really good information. I'll stick to out team for example. It seems like there is utter dysfunction here. Any tackle or player that gets drafted here will they be able to reach their potential. Drake has everything around him shot to **** and somehow he still makes plays. We need coaching, players and hitting on the draft.

 

[KCSVEN]

We need coaching, players and hitting on the draft.

I agree, we need everything! Except a QB and a #1 Corner.

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree, we need everything! Except a QB and a #1 Corner.

Yes. I was willing to give Mayo the benefit of the doubt but now with the season over it's clear that we need better coaching as well as play makers.

 

[KCSVEN]

This analysis equals my analysis:
Interestingly he says he hears Patriots don't like Tet, and he does have SOME source with the Pats,

 

[pats99]

I think that's too simple.
Joe Alt is playing well and was leading the all-pro votes and rating as well or better than MHJ. MHJ can't separate, couldn't separate in college, and separation is what "separates" good receivers from great. IMO Alt will have more pro bowls than MHJ.

I don't believe the first round of the draft is as much of a crap shoot as the NFL scouts have made it.
Drake Maye was an elite QB prospect, Nabers was an elite WR prospect, that they were not considered 1 and 2 as prospects in the draft has me questioning WTH scouts look at as those were so obvious. MHJ over Nabers? Made ZERO sense.

Tackles were, by far, the safest draft pick for years, and then a few years ago it stopped being the case. What changed? Nothing really, just the talent.
There is no "WR is more successful to draft than tackle". It's simply analyzing the prospects properly and determining the percent chance of being good or great.
QB's have a list of qualities that translate to the NFL. Receivers have a list of qualities. Tackles have a list of qualities.

Every year is a different set of prospects and whether the wide receiver or tackle available in the top 5 is the best choice comes down to the individual analysis of those players.

IMO This year you have the following players with a greater than 50% chance of success (1st round picks are 50% success rate)
Hunter #1
Campbell #2
Jeanty #3
Graham #4
Carter #5

I expect those 5 to get second contract with their team and the success chance is in the order listed. I don't know if Campbell can play Tackle in the NFL due to arm length but if he cannot then he will succeed at guard.

IMO Everyone else is in the first round 50% or less chance of getting to the second contract with the team that drafts them. It is an historically weak draft with, at most, 12 first round talents (meaning only 5 or 6 of the 12 would succeed in an average year)

Respectfully, why is Tet McMillan not on the list. Not talking about the order but why is his chance of success less than 50% ?

 

[Rob0729]

After yesterday, Hunter is off the board unless the Patriots see him as a fulltime WR and a parttime CB. Otherwise, he is a wasted draft pick. There is no way he can play both ways at the NFL level with a 17 game season (could be 18 in a few years). The one spot the Pats are all set at is #1 CB. They need help everywhere else.

I still think Hunter might get near QB trade interest because of his uniqueness. They could pick up an extra first for trading down.

If I am the Patriots I would sign Tee Higgins and Davante Adams this offseason (Adams is going to be cut because the Jets cannot afford to keep him). Adams' price will be relatively low because of his age and his lack of production prior to yesterday. But yesterday showed that he is still capable of being elite. Use the first round pick to get a tackle and/or a pass rusher.

 

[Real fan 02]

After yesterday, Hunter is off the board unless the Patriots see him as a fulltime WR and a parttime CB. Otherwise, he is a wasted draft pick. There is no way he can play both ways at the NFL level with a 17 game season (could be 18 in a few years). The one spot the Pats are all set at is #1 CB. They need help everywhere else.

I still think Hunter might get near QB trade interest because of his uniqueness. They could pick up an extra first for trading down.

If I am the Patriots I would sign Tee Higgins and Davante Adams this offseason (Adams is going to be cut because the Jets cannot afford to keep him). Adams' price will be relatively low because of his age and his lack of production prior to yesterday. But yesterday showed that he is still capable of being elite. Use the first round pick to get an tackle and/or a pass rusher.

I like it! Hunter definitely is the #1 pick. We likely will end up with the #1 pick as we aren't winning another game in 2024 or January 2025. Trading down as we need so much help! Higgins and adams would be excellent for Drake! Higgins on a 4 year deal and Adams on a 3 year deal. We need at least 2 edge rushers as well. We can go after a veteran CB like ward in SF. Also DE and DT are definitely needs as well. Who do you like at tackle??

 

[Froob]

Hunter isn't a #1 wide receiver and cornerback isn't a priority in the first round. I'd rather take a tackle or the receiver from Arizona.

Hunter is neither the best CB nor best WR. Don’t really get taking him above TET or Will Johnson.

 

[Froob]

After yesterday, Hunter is off the board unless the Patriots see him as a fulltime WR and a parttime CB. Otherwise, he is a wasted draft pick. There is no way he can play both ways at the NFL level with a 17 game season (could be 18 in a few years). The one spot the Pats are all set at is #1 CB. They need help everywhere else.

I still think Hunter might get near QB trade interest because of his uniqueness. They could pick up an extra first for trading down.

If I am the Patriots I would sign Tee Higgins and Davante Adams this offseason (Adams is going to be cut because the Jets cannot afford to keep him). Adams' price will be relatively low because of his age and his lack of production prior to yesterday. But yesterday showed that he is still capable of being elite. Use the first round pick to get a tackle and/or a pass rusher.

Idk about Adams, seems to have a bad attitude

 

[Rob0729]

I like it! Hunter definitely is the #1 pick. We likely will end up with the #1 pick as we aren't winning another game in 2024 or January 2025. Trading down as we need so much help! Higgins and adams would be excellent for Drake! Higgins on a 4 year deal and Adams on a 3 year deal. We need at least 2 edge rushers as well. We can go after a veteran CB like ward in SF. Also DE and DT are definitely needs as well. Who do you like at tackle??

IDK, I doubt the Pats will get the #1 pick because I don't see the Giants winning another game. The Giants are putrid. And the Pats might win the second Bills game if they are sitting Allen and other players with everything locked up. The Mahomes injury could change that because if he is out for several games, the Bills might have a shot at the #1 seed.

As for who to draft, you are asking the wrong guy. I am no draftnick and don't even pretend to know who is worth drafting. My only takes on the draft is based on need and trade opportunities.

In free agency, I would sign Cam Robinson at LT. His value is down because he has had a mediocre year mostly on a really bad team before he was traded. The Vikes traded for him for a short term solution because their LT had a season ending injury. So they won't sign or tag him. Prior to this year, he was an excellent pass blocker for Trevor Lawrence.

 

[Rob0729]

Idk about Adams, seems to have a bad attitude

I don't know if I really blame Adams for his attitude in Las Vegas. He agreed to sign a new deal in a trade with Vegas to play with Derrick Carr and the Raiders dumped Carr very quickly after the trade. And then the Raiders became a rudderless ship with no effort to put a starting quality QB on the field. Yes, doesn't really excuse his behavior, but he is a WR. They are all divas.

 

[Real fan 02]

IDK, I doubt the Pats will get the #1 pick because I don't see the Giants winning another game. The Giants are putrid. And the Pats might win the second Bills game if they are sitting Allen and other players with everything locked up. The Mahomes injury could change that because if he is out for several games, the Bills might have a shot at the #1 seed.

As for who to draft, you are asking the wrong guy. I am no draftnick and don't even pretend to know who is worth drafting. My only takes on the draft is based on need and trade opportunities.

In free agency, I would sign Cam Robinson at LT. His value is down because he has had a mediocre year mostly on a really bad team before he was traded. The Vikes traded for him for a short term solution because their LT had a season ending injury. So they won't sign or tag him. Prior to this year, he was an excellent pass blocker for Trevor Lawrence.

This team... the bills could sit Allen and they still would find a way to lose. I've mentioned before about a lossing culture. That's what the organization has created the last few seasons is a losing culture. Is why guys are smiling on the side lines laughing post game. They are content with losing. The only guy I see of any seriousness is Drake. We went into the offseason with guys that should be working at dollar general in Wheatley, lowe thinking that they could be starting level players. We need to draft and develop a stalwart at LT that will have the consistency and durability to last in the NFL. I'm not sure the Patriots are any better than the giants save for the QB position.

 

[condon84]

BPA.

If Hunter is that guy, they should pick him.

From watching Colorado play, he's good at finding holes in zones which is always a problem for college WRs going to the NFL. @KCSVEN can speak more of this whether this is the case or not, but it's a skill that's critrical in the NFL.

Also the guy loves to compete and has A+ athleticism.

 

[TommyD4207]

BPA.

If Hunter is that guy, they should pick him.

From watching Colorado play, he's good at finding holes in zones which is always a problem for college WRs going to the NFL. @KCSVEN can speak more of this whether this is the case or not, but it's a skill that's critrical in the NFL.

Also the guy loves to compete and has A+ athleticism.

He's just not worth a top-5 pick if he's only playing WR *or* CB. If he commits to playing both, then yes.

 

[Joey007]

After yesterday, Hunter is off the board unless the Patriots see him as a fulltime WR and a parttime CB. Otherwise, he is a wasted draft pick. There is no way he can play both ways at the NFL level with a 17 game season (could be 18 in a few years). The one spot the Pats are all set at is #1 CB. They need help everywhere else.

I still think Hunter might get near QB trade interest because of his uniqueness. They could pick up an extra first for trading down.

If I am the Patriots I would sign Tee Higgins and Davante Adams this offseason (Adams is going to be cut because the Jets cannot afford to keep him). Adams' price will be relatively low because of his age and his lack of production prior to yesterday. But yesterday showed that he is still capable of being elite. Use the first round pick to get a tackle and/or a pass rusher.

Hoping that Maye's upside entices more receivers than we previously have the last few seasons.

 

[Real fan 02]

Hoping that Maye's upside entices more receivers than we previously have the last few seasons.

The good thing about the NFL FAs see what is happening and they can see Drake and his potential. We need 2 game changers at WR.