Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[The Gr8est]

He's a nice slot rookie WR. He bails out Herbert alot.

Edelman 2.0?

 

[Real fan 02]

Edelman 2.0?

Jules.. I don't think there was a tougher guy at his position.. he ran every route combination and he just had the dawg mentality as well.

 

[The Gr8est]

Jules.. I don't think there was a tougher guy at his position.. he ran every route combination and he just had the dawg mentality as well.

Ladd seems to have the Jules mentality, and that is a plus, but there was only one Jules.

He took hits like no one else but kept on ticking.

He belongs in the HOF IMO.

 

[203Pat]

Edelman 2.0?

They are both white guys in the slot but McConkey is a better athlete than Edelman. 6 feet and runs a 4.3.

 

[Real fan 02]

Ladd seems to have the Jules mentality, and that is a plus, but there was only one Jules.

He took hits like no one else but kept on ticking.

He belongs in the HOF IMO.

So doesn't welker.. guy was putting up 100 plus catch seasons for what like 5 years..

 

[TheRainMaker]

Andrew Callahan mentions what I've stated before that they lack of network for Mayo has really hurt him. They had to rely on Wolf to build the staff.

 

[The Gr8est]

They are both white guys in the slot but McConkey is a better athlete than Edelman. 6 feet and runs a 4.3.

Why can’t WE get guys like that?

 

[Real fan 02]

Andrew Callahan mentions what I've stated before that they lack of network for Mayo has really hurt him. They had to rely on Wolf to build the staff.

That is why I felt like Mayo should have taken one of the DC positions available to him when he was interviewing. It would have helped him immensely as a HC.

 

[captain stone]

Is this type of crap really necessary?

Yes.

 

[captain stone]

They are both white guys in the slot but McConkey is a better athlete than Edelman. 6 feet and runs a 4.3.

Edelman's stouter, however, and was better-built to take hits.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Why can’t WE get guys like that?

Never Fear! Polk and Baker are here!

 

[turkeyneck]

Edelman's stouter, however, and was better-built to take hits.

Jules worked hard to get like that.

 

[captain stone]

Jules worked hard to get like that.

He did, though he was already heavier than McConkey is when both came into the league.

 

[Real fan 02]

He did, though he was already heavier than McConkey is when both came into the league.

He joined Guerrero and he became a beast.. especially in the playoffs. Jules was a physical, tough player he played bigger than 5"11

 

[Real fan 02]

Edelman's stouter, however, and was better-built to take hits.

Now he can take all the hits... he wants... on the sticky green...

 

[cmasspatsfan]

You disagree that Mayo is likely unprepared? He’s not even prepared for media interviews after three quarters of a season

You were speculating that he's like Fat Matt and can't give the players answers, that's making things up. I agree he's off to put it kindly, a rough start but let's not start making things up to criticize him for. He's done enough actual things to criticize.

 

[Ross12]

You were speculating that he's like Fat Matt and can't give the players answers, that's making things up. I agree he's off to put it kindly, a rough start but let's not start making things up to criticize him for. He's done enough actual things to criticize.

It was purely speculation, though... It's not like I was saying I'm mad at him because he did this, I was saying I would be willing to bet that this is something that is happening behind the scenes. I don't think there should be any rule against thinking about what's going on backstage with the team.

 

[mgcolby]

Feels like one could just as easily look at this chart and spin it positively for the coaching. Early on in the week you can gameplan more in depth and cover for weaknesses but on gameday, once you show your cards, you only have so many levers to pull beyond that initial plan if the talent simply isn't there. And you'd be pretty hard pressed to find too many NFL personnel guys who don't rate us at or near the bottom in talent in the whole NFL.

You could look at that chart and say that their gameplans during the week are making the defense more competitive but then once teams adjust to that gameplan the talent isn't there for them to go to something else because they're too lacking in talent across too many areas. They don't have any safeties that can play the deep part of the field. Their outside pass rush is pretty bad besides White who cancels himself out being such a liability containing mobile QBs. With Barmore having blood clots they have no real inside pass rush. They don't have a good outside coverage guy across from Gonzo. They have a bad group of LBs especially with Bentley out. How many adjustments can you really expect Mayo and the staff to make? If they're coming up with decent enough gameplans to stop the bleeding early with their initial gameplan I'd say they're doing a decent job with what they have to work with.

I don't know much about you or your football background as you are fairly new here. So don't take any of this as condescending or disrespectful.
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No.

If you were a poster I knew better, I would just leave it at that. Because that is the ultimate answer in a nutshell.

Everyone can gameplan for a week and scheme up something to confuse the other team early in the game, they are after all NFL coaches. Where the separation begins between coaches who are merely quality NFL coaches and those that are HC or even top-level Coordinator material is what they do on gameday. How they play the chess match. Can they figure out what the other team is doing, and more importantly can they figure out how to stop it on defense or beat it on offense? That is the game within the game. Its constant adjustments and anticipation throughout the game for 60 minutes.

Yes, things will happen, tipped balls, players slip, players make the wrong read etc...but that happens on both sides regardless of disparity in talent. But are you consistently putting your players in the best position to be successful? That is what determines 90% of the games in the NFL. Did you have your players in the right spots especially in the biggest moments? Can you do that and still lose? Absolutely! The players do still have to make the plays. And some-times the guy across from you just simply beats you. But those things tend to even out in a league where even the teams near the bottom of the league in talent are a just a smidgen less talented than those at the top.

So, to your overall point. If you can create a gameplan, your players are able to execute and be successful at early on in the game; then they surely can execute in game adjustments that you scheme up from drive to drive.

Good coaching, can, to a certain level overcome lack of talent. In our case, good coaching would have us sitting with 3-4 more wins.

This coaching staff is simply bad. Well terrible actually, when you consider the totality of it all.

 

[NormZauchin]

It was clear to many of us at Mayo's inaugural press conference that he was going to be a terrible leader. We called it. You come in day one and proudly claim that you hire and fire based on "Diversity." Mayo came claiming he wanted his staff and team makeup to look like "the world." On this forum we said, fans and players won't care about skin color, just go get the best staff and players period. Mayo clearly had other motivations. Not to mention the rumors that he was backstabbing Belichick. If true, then you don't want to touch this guy with a ten foot pole and consider him for any position on the coaching staff.

People that think this way, the way Mayo thinks and makes decisions, and how he manages a team, probably can't be changed. It's so ingrained in them.

Mayo should be fired by Kraft, because I don't see a guy like Mayo being able to change himself or his character to lead a team. Mayo in his first interview, outright claims he was hired because he is black. If Kraft believes he still has massage parlor problems, then Kraft may be keeping Mayo as an insurance policy to look good, be politically correct, and to possibly to protect himself from whatever might pop up on those massage parlor videos that a judge ordered to be destroyed. Because hiring Mayo in the first place after all the backstabbing and poor leadership qualities, had normal people questioning this decision.

Anyway, bottom line, I don't think you can change Mayo for who he is. It's ingrained and some psych coaching may be well meaning, but I don't think it can change Mayo when he's got a pretty warped leadership style that was evident on day 1

How can Mayo talk about diversity when the NFL rosters are overwhelming black? Which is appropriate because black athletes constitute a disproportionate share of the best football players. Rosters are based on talent, as should coach staffs be, but the correlation between great athleticism and great coaching skill is weak.

 

[Boogs]

How can Mayo talk about diversity when the NFL rosters are overwhelming black? Which is appropriate because black athletes constitute a disproportionate share of the best football players. Rosters are based on talent, as should coach staffs be, but the correlation between great athleticism and great coaching skill is weak.

None of it will make sense. Mayo is just brainwashed by this recent modern era (cultural Marxism) that we are in where DEI and political correctness are the most important thing. And that's basically the first thing he said as the new head coach. In general, looking at the players, black guys dominate the game. In general,it's different at different positions. In staff and coaching it's tended to be different demographics than what you see with the players. But regardless, his insane level of wokeness made most of us say on this forum that this guy is a huge red flag. There's a high chance of locker room problems with this way of thinking instead of going out and finding the best players and coaches you can find for this team. You want a bunch of guys looking at each other and building a team based on skills and character and not being focused on building your team to look like "the world."