Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[lancerman]

Mayo was a mistake. If the Kraft's could just find a graceful way out, that would be best. But, it's going to be difficult to fire him after just one season. So, as I posted when he was appointed HC, the rebuild will be delayed two or three years longer than it might have taken.

There's no graceful way out in year one. Mayo needs to do something catastrophic to get fired this year.

It's also detrimental to the team because no good coach with prospects is coming here if we fired Bill Belichick with 4 wins and then gave the next guy a dumpster fire team and fired him with 3+ wins the next season. It's going to signal that

1. Kraft is not going to give a guy a real chance to build up from a mess.
2. You really only have one year to show real improvement with this mess of a roster.

Maye is the only selling point for a new coach and he's not that much of one besides "maybe the QB is going to pan out, at least he looks good now". But aside from that, I wouldn't trust Kraft if Mayo got fired this year. Very few coaches are going to succeed with this roster.

Which is why unless Mayo does something so cataclysmic that everyone in the league is in full agreement that he needs to go, he will be here next year. I'm not super happy about it, but Kraft didn't want to make a big change last year and wanted to still work with Bill Belichick's tree and all the frontoffice people who were working with him. I thought it was dumb to throw him out and keep everyone else. But now he has to live with that call because he's going to have a hard time drawing people here if he doesn't at least give Mayo a real chance to do something.

 

[Tunescribe]

I'd give him a second year and possibly even a third if I see positive momentum. This staff has done the monumental task of identifying a franchise qb and he seems to be developing. Outside of qb, nothing has been good enough but I'd give them a season to see if they can learn from their mistakes.

But if we do move on, it needs to be a complete overhaul. GM and anyone that has ever said hello to BB lol. This is a passing league and a new staff should should be offense 1st. Consistently scoring less than 20 points shouldn't happen with Maye playing this well.

What is "monumental" about simply identifying the third-best quarterback in the draft? He was the easiest pick imaginable.

The Krafts had the same lazy approach with the front office as with head coach. Wolf and Groh were just kind of hanging around from the prior regime and got promoted. I don't recall -- was a GM search bringing in outside candidates even done? Maybe for Rooney Rule purposes? Hiring Mayo, especially without a process involved, was a joke. This team has become a second-rate operation from top to bottom and it's sad.

 

[Family]

How are you supposed to show a philosophy in 6 months?

Mayo's philosophy is quite evident.

Conservative. Old school. Doesn't really put much effort in adjustments.

Is it going to take you 2-3 years to figure that out?

But you didn't address my point that Mayo was intended to be hired as a continuation of a successful team, not someone who would/could rebuild one.

Why give him a second year under that circumstance?

 

[doesntmatter1]

What is "monumental" about simply identifying the third-best quarterback in the draft? He was the easiest pick imaginable.

The Kraft's had the same lazy approach with the front office as with head coach. Wolf and Groh were just kind of hanging around from the prior regime and got promoted. I don't recall -- was a GM search bringing in outside candidates even done? Maybe for Rooney Rule purposes? Hiring Mayo, especially without a process involved, was a joke. This team has become a second-rate operation from top to bottom and it's sad.

They could have easily ruined that 3rd pick. Maye wasn't a lock. McCarthy and Penix were getting quite a bit of buzz and we could have traded the pick into multiple picks that we most likely would have wasted.

 

[ausbacker]

What is "monumental" about simply identifying the third-best quarterback in the draft? He was the easiest pick imaginable.

The Kraft's had the same lazy approach with the front office as with head coach. Wolf and Groh were just kind of hanging around from the prior regime and got promoted. I don't recall -- was a GM search bringing in outside candidates even done? Maybe for Rooney Rule purposes? Hiring Mayo, especially without a process involved, was a joke. This team has become a second-rate operation from top to bottom and it's sad.

The longer the season plays out, the more evident it becomes Mayo, the coaching staff, Wolf, and his front office are in over their heads. When coupled with an owner experiencing cognitive decline, God knows how long it's going to take the Patriots to heal their self-inflicted wounds.

Maye is the one shining light we're all holding onto.

 

[Tunescribe]

They could have easily ruined that 3rd pick. Maye wasn't a lock. McCarthy and Penix were getting quite a bit of buzz and we could have traded the pick into multiple picks that we most likely would have wasted.

Maye was the safest of safe picks -- a literal no-brainer. Personally, I wanted them to trade down because of multiple glaring needs and that STILL might've been the better move if handled shrewdly enough. As promising as Maye looks this early the jury's still out on the kid. And he might never be what he could become if they don't work some magic to get a functional line in front of him plus effective weapons.

 

[lancerman]

Maye was the safest of safe picks -- a literal no-brainer. Personally, I wanted them to trade down because of multiple glaring needs and that STILL might've been the better move if handled shrewdly enough. As promising as Maye looks this early the jury's still out on the kid. And he might never be what he could become if they don't work some magic to get a functional line in front of him plus effective weapons.

I disagree with this. A trade down doesn't guarantee us a QB and even if it does we just end up having to use a top pick on Penix or McCarthy because we still can't pass up on a QB this draft and then maybe late first we end up still drafting Polk since our brilliant front office thought McConkey was worth trading out of.

Getting Maye and him looking good is still better than not having that position solved.

If we didn't get QB, the only right move was to go BPA which would have also been one of the core positions of need.

 

[TomPatriot]

What is "monumental" about simply identifying the third-best quarterback in the draft? He was the easiest pick imaginable.

The Kraft's had the same lazy approach with the front office as with head coach. Wolf and Groh were just kind of hanging around from the prior regime and got promoted. I don't recall -- was a GM search bringing in outside candidates even done? Maybe for Rooney Rule purposes? Hiring Mayo, especially without a process involved, was a joke. This team has become a second-rate operation from top to bottom and it's sad.

Except there were some people who wanted to trade the pick and some who wanted to select Harrison. Plus, in no way was/is Maye a sure thing.

 

[Love The Drake]

 

[BennyBledsoe]

No.

Bill Belichick.... 5-11 in year one and the team looked like absolute garbage.

The draft was a mess (with one notable surprise, of course), the offensive line was a turnstyle. The free agent signings suuuuuuuuucked.

 

[rogerthat]

Josh literally got ran out of the locker room in LV he was so bad. His HC career is over and he'd be lucky to ever get a positional coaching position ever again.

They said the same about Pete Carroll after failing with 2 separate teams. It’s not common but it is possible.

 

[Foxypats]

After this last game, I was hoping we would make some sort of mid season change but of course RK won't do that. I didn't think it would be Mayo but maybe Covington . I woke up very disappointed this AM !!!!!!

 

[TheRainMaker]

They said the same about Pete Carroll after failing with 2 separate teams. It’s not common but it is possible.

Carroll was a rock star the moment he landed with USC. He was a hot candidate to return to the NFL for years before finally going to the Seahawks. Not sure what you're talking about here.

Josh was called out in person by many players on the team and needed Antonio Pierce to try to diffuse the situation which they ended up having their own altercation due to Pierce talking about the 2007 Giants beating the Pats. He told David Carr Tom Brady ran the show and bullied him. Broncos players disliked him and Cutler asked for a trade after their first meeting. I'm only scratching the surface.

He's done.

 

[captain stone]

Mcdaniels or Mayo?

Neither.

 

[pats99]

They could have easily ruined that 3rd pick. Maye wasn't a lock. McCarthy and Penix were getting quite a bit of buzz and we could have traded the pick into multiple picks that we most likely would have wasted.

Nah, he was the consensus best avaiable QB in the top tier of 3 players and we picked third. 90+% of the posters on this board would have made that pick at #3.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Mayo's philosophy is quite evident.

Conservative. Old school. Doesn't really put much effort in adjustments.

Is it going to take you 2-3 years to figure that out?

But you didn't address my point that Mayo was intended to be hired as a continuation of a successful team, not someone who would/could rebuild one.

Why give him a second year under that circumstance?

I don’t like the idea of changing coaches a year into their tenure, but I do concede that there are signs that Mayo isn’t doing a good job. The first is the failure to take responsibility for their play, and trying to deflect it onto other. The second is the penalties. Overall I think there are people here who have made strong arguments that the coaching staff isn’t doing a good job, and I think Upstatets post about Jones and Duggar is a good example of that. The drop off in the play of the defense, especially since Maye took over at QB and the offense is doing better, is a good example of this. And the penalties should have been cleaned up by now, and instead are detailing them every week. So I won’t be arguing against letting them go at the end of the season. Wolf is another story altogether, and if they let him go I’m going to be seriously pissed off, and I’m going to lose faith completely in the ability of the Kraft’s to hire a management team that can turn them into a contender. Wolf inherited Belichick’s team, and Kraft’s coach, neither of which were any good, and expecting any GM to turn that around in 6 months is idiotic.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Mayo's philosophy is quite evident.

Conservative. Old school. Doesn't really put much effort in adjustments.

Is it going to take you 2-3 years to figure that out?

But you didn't address my point that Mayo was intended to be hired as a continuation of a successful team, not someone who would/could rebuild one.

Why give him a second year under that circumstance?

I don’t like the idea of changing coaches a year into their tenure, but I do concede that there are signs that Mayo isn’t doing a good job. The first is the failure to take responsibility for their play, and trying to deflect it onto other. The second is the penalties. Overall I think there are people here who have made strong arguments that the coaching staff isn’t doing a good job, and I think Upstatets post about Jones and Duggar is a good example of that. The drop off in the play of the defense, especially since Maye took over at QB and the offense is doing better, is a good example of this. And the penalties should have been cleaned up by now, and instead are derailing them every week. So I won’t be arguing against letting them go at the end of the season. Wolf is another story altogether, and if they let him go I’m going to be seriously pissed off, and I’m going to lose faith completely in the ability of the Kraft’s to hire a management team that can turn them into a contender. Wolf inherited Belichick’s team, and Kraft’s coach, neither of which were any good, and expecting any GM to turn that around in 6 months is idiotic.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Mayo's philosophy is quite evident.

Conservative. Old school. Doesn't really put much effort in adjustments.

Is it going to take you 2-3 years to figure that out?

But you didn't address my point that Mayo was intended to be hired as a continuation of a successful team, not someone who would/could rebuild one.

Why give him a second year under that circumstance?

I don’t like the idea of changing coaches a year into their tenure, but I do concede that there are signs that Mayo isn’t doing a good job. The first is the failure to take responsibility for their play, and trying to deflect it onto other. The second is the penalties. Overall I think there are people here who have made strong arguments that the coaching staff isn’t doing a good job, and I think Upstatets post about Jones and Duggar is a good example of that. The drop off in the play of the defense, especially since Maye took over at QB and the offense is doing better, is a good example of this. And the penalties should have been cleaned up by now, and instead are derailing them every week. So I won’t be arguing against letting them go at the end of the season. Wolf is another story altogether, and if they let him go I’m going to be seriously pissed off, and I’m going to lose faith completely in the ability of the Kraft’s to hire a management team that can turn them into a contender. Wolf inherited Belichick’s team, and Kraft’s coach, neither of which were any good, and expecting any GM to turn that around in 6 months is idiotic.

 

[Family]

I don’t like the idea of changing coaches a year into their tenure, but I do concede that there are signs that Mayo isn’t doing a good job. The first is the failure to take responsibility for their play, and trying to deflect it onto other. The second is the penalties. Overall I think there are people here who have made strong arguments that the coaching staff isn’t doing a good job, and I think Upstatets post about Jones and Duggar is a good example of that. The drop off in the play of the defense, especially since Maye took over at QB and the offense is doing better, is a good example of this. And the penalties should have been cleaned up by now, and instead are derailing them every week. So I won’t be arguing against letting them go at the end of the season. Wolf is another story altogether, and if they let him go I’m going to be seriously pissed off, and I’m going to lose faith completely in the ability of the Kraft’s to hire a management team that can turn them into a contender. Wolf inherited Belichick’s team, and Kraft’s coach, neither of which were any good, and expecting any GM to turn that around in 6 months is idiotic.

Even though we don't agree 100%, I'll go with this.

I don't like making the quick change either, but if we can upgrade to something like a Vrabel/Daboll team, I don't see how that wouldn't be a huge step forward.

 

[PatsFan2]

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