Content Post Offense Review Jets Week 8

[KCSVEN]

Start with the line play and likely Tuesday or Wednesday will add the WR and QB review.
Edited this on Monday AM to add 1 run miss for Onwenu, could not see from TV view on the final TD that he missed a block and Jordan pulling saved the day. Saw a clip of the all-22 on X so needed to add that.


Probably the most consistent week for the line. As expected, the Jets strength was the interior, especially Williams and the interior line struggled more this week.
Jordan probably had his worst game of the year, also the worst lineman in this game but for who he was going against you kind of expected that. Same thing with Brown. However, they were not disasters and Jacoby and Maye moved around enough to negate some of the bad plays.

Onwenu was excellent almost all game, best game I think he's played. He did whiff on his block on the final TD but Jordan pulling into the same gap blocked his man.
Jacobs-He was good, I continue to see him as an average RT that can hold his own against many of the NFL pass rushers but would need help against the top rushers.
Brown-Got beat right away on a couple of run plays and pass plays, when he was not beat right away, he did pretty well. Tough assignment for him but he battled. Hope he can learn from it and improve. Based on this game not sure he's the future answer at center but also can't say he is not. Kind of like Jacobs, an OK player that will struggle against the top players but do OK against an average player.
Lowe-Another good game from Lowe, was not perfect but really stonewalled his guy on most pass rushes, blocked well on most runs. If you can draft an elite LT, I would imagine he would be a solid RT option. I think I need to see him against some elite rushers to see how far he has come but he's turned himself into a solid player, at minimum.
Jordan-Probably his worst game and you can see his limitations when he faces some of the top players. I would hope maybe the 2 draft picks this year could eventually slide into LG and RT in the future, but you also have the off season to add.

I've said since the pre-season, I really like the line coach. You can see his technique being used; the line is buying into it. You can only work with the talent you have but I think he is maximizing the talent he has. Thye just don't have enough talent to consistently push people in the run game and block the best rushers but they are much better on stunts and blitzes than earlier in the year.

Very encouraging review compared to the last Jets game and gives some hope for upcoming games.

 

[Pape]

what was the breakdown on the Maye getting clobbered in the head play?

 

[Ross12]

Thanks for the breakdown as always.

They have Strange coming back who will theoretically replace Jordan. Wallace is hopefully the RT of the future, but Jacobs seems to be decent and is probably a good swing tackle to keep rostered in future seasons. Lowe might still be the LT next year considering there’s not a lot of great ones in the draft and they may go at a different position instead like WR. But that might be OK - he really looks fine to me. Veteran depth would be good if possible.

Brown is either the 2025 starter or the top backup behind Andrews if he comes back. I think a mid round pick at C would probably be wise as well. You could definitely do worse though.

Overall this group is growing and with Strange and Wallace available again, should produce well enough. I’m not sure what free agency in 2025 looks like for OL.

 

[KCSVEN]

what was the breakdown on the Maye getting clobbered in the head play?

Blocking was good; need all 22 to come out to see what Maye was seeing

 

[Brotherblues]

what was the breakdown on the Maye getting clobbered in the head play?

I'm curious to see what someone who knows his stuff writes, because to my amateur eye it seemed Maye was getting more and more careless each time he took off. It was giving me a bad feeling and I'm sure I wasn't alone.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Sucks about jordan, thats 2 pretty bad outings in a row. He was looking like a very underrated hit early on. If he doesn’t bounce back hopefully sow gets it together or strange is able to come back sooner than later. Lowe has been encouraging, just having trouble staying healthy. Overall the improvement in the OL has me pumped if maye can get back in there. Even jacoby looked comfortable back there often.

That leads to the current big weakness at wr. Gotta fix this drop issue. Seems like everyone responded to the soft comment but the wr. Bourne i didn’t have much expectations for most of this year while he recovers, but he seems to be trending in the wrong direction. Douglas and boutte are the only ones you feel remotely good about right now. Tyquan, done with him. Dude is not a gamer, I couldn’t care less how good he looks in practice and camp anymore. Until bourne looks closer to his old self id try to get max looks to boutte, pop, baker , and polk.

Also wanted to say Rhamondre finally had an impact again today and made people miss. Foot must be alot better.

 

[Toofy]

Let's give thor ton another 3-4 games. Very difficult to perform when you have a sword hanging on your back. Give him uninterrupted 3-4 games and see how he does on consolidated basis with Maye. If he also could show turnaround like Oline, we emerge as winners. Sometimes confidence is like avalanche. You just need a small bit before it torpedoes down.

Boutte is slowly growing. I am hoping tyquan also shares a bit of the growth.

Very happy with small baby steps on Oline. As expected , Lowe is coming along decently. I would want them to draft BPA next year as opposed to overdrafting an LT.

Stud WR is needed unless tyquan magically transformed into Garrett Wilson lite.

 

[PatsFan2]

Let's give thor ton another 3-4 games. Very difficult to perform when you have a sword hanging on your back. Give him uninterrupted 3-4 games and see how he does on consolidated basis with Maye. If he also could show turnaround like Oline, we emerge as winners. Sometimes confidence is like avalanche. You just need a small bit before it torpedoes down.

Boutte is slowly growing. I am hoping tyquan also shares a bit of the growth.

Very happy with small baby steps on Oline. As expected , Lowe is coming along decently. I would want them to draft BPA next year as opposed to overdrafting an LT.

Stud WR is needed unless tyquan magically transformed into Garrett Wilson lite.

Tee Higgins is currently injured I would Trade for him just to secure his rights. Bengals are probably out of it this year.

 

[archstanton543]

Blocking was good; need all 22 to come out to see what Maye was seeing

Stars, apparently.

 

[PatsFan2]

Sucks about jordan, thats 2 pretty bad outings in a row. He was looking like a very underrated hit early on. If he doesn’t bounce back hopefully sow gets it together or strange is able to come back sooner than later. Lowe has been encouraging, just having trouble staying healthy. Overall the improvement in the OL has me pumped if maye can get back in there. Even jacoby looked comfortable back there often.

That leads to the current big weakness at wr. Gotta fix this drop issue. Seems like everyone responded to the soft comment but the wr. Bourne i didn’t have much expectations for most of this year while he recovers, but he seems to be trending in the wrong direction. Douglas and boutte are the only ones you feel remotely good about right now. Tyquan, done with him. Dude is not a gamer, I couldn’t care less how good he looks in practice and camp anymore. Until bourne looks closer to his old self id try to get max looks to boutte, pop, baker , and polk.

Also wanted to say Rhamondre finally had an impact again today and made people miss. Foot must be a lot he's better.

Give up on Bourne he's just terrible nothing special to begin with. They might as well play J Baker now he can't be any worse. In other News Jalen Reagor is catching passes in San Diego: wish we had a player like that.

 

[PatsFan2]

Stars apparently.

archan!!

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Give up on Bourne he's just terrible nothing special to begin with. They might as well play J Baker now he can't be any worse. In other News Jalen Reagor is catching passes in San Diego: wish we had a player like that.

Bourne is the most proven wr on the roster. Give him the 2nd half. Baker definitely should more looks. Reagor still dont miss that guy, the other charger receiver though ladd was i thought the easy choice at 34. Some said he might be redundant with pop here, im not sure honestly. Guy can get open and quick, sounds like what a rookie qb needs. Next year or 26 we could go get our stud x.

 

[KCSVEN]

Bourne is the most proven wr on the roster. Give him the 2nd half. Baker definitely should more looks. Reagor still dont miss that guy, the other charger receiver though ladd was i thought the easy choice at 34. Some said he might be redundant with pop here, im not sure honestly. Guy can get open and quick, sounds like what a rookie qb needs. Next year or 26 we could go get our stud x.

Biggest thing with Ladd Mcconkey was the nagging back injury last year that gave teams pause on his long-term back health.
However, I thought they should have stayed and taken him in early round 2. He was the best left IMO, but I also don't have access to his medical records.

 

[PatsFan2]

Bourne is the most proven wr on the roster. Give him the 2nd half. Baker definitely should more looks. Reagor still dont miss that guy, the other charger receiver though ladd was i thought the easy choice at 34. Some said he might be redundant with pop here, im not sure honestly. Guy can get open and quick, sounds like what a rookie qb needs. Next year or 26 we could go get our stud x.

Bourne gets no separation whatsoever a sign of a WR that's finished. He doesn't have speed at his disposal neither is he a crafty Route runner. His value just dropped from a 6th Round Conditional to a 7th. Hurty up Wolf move this scrub before you can't.

 

[PatsFan2]

Biggest thing with Ladd Mcconkey was the nagging back injury last year that gave teams pause on his long-term back health.
However, I thought they should have stayed and taken him in early round 2. He was the best left IMO, but I also don't have access to his medical records.

Ladd might have a Gronk like career also K Coleman is looking like a Player in Buffalo I'm jealous.

 

[p8ryts]

Let's give thor ton another 3-4 games. Very difficult to perform when you have a sword hanging on your back. Give him uninterrupted 3-4 games and see how he does on consolidated basis with Maye. If he also could show turnaround like Oline, we emerge as winners. Sometimes confidence is like avalanche. You just need a small bit before it torpedoes down.

Boutte is slowly growing. I am hoping tyquan also shares a bit of the growth.

Very happy with small baby steps on Oline. As expected , Lowe is coming along decently. I would want them to draft BPA next year as opposed to overdrafting an LT.

Stud WR is needed unless tyquan magically transformed into Garrett Wilson lite.

Still too much catching with the body and not the hands. I believe that bit Thornton, Boutte and Bourne. I like Boutte, still undecided on Thornton, never liked Bourne since he got here. Too much mouth. Douglas, Boutte, Henry. Something to build on.

 

[upstater1]

Jordan-Probably his worst game and you can see his limitations when he faces some of the top players. I would hope maybe the 2 draft picks this year could eventually slide into LG and RT in the future, but you also have the off season to add.

We've expended an incredible amount of picks for interior OL. It is really sad if we need to do it again this next draft.

Last 7 drafts:

2019:
3rd Yodney Cajuste: BUST
4th Hjalte Froholdt (Started the last 30 games in a row, signed a 2 yr extension $15m, all of it guaranteed)

2020:
6th Mike Onwenu
6th Justin Herron (backup, IR with Saints)
7th Dustin Woodard

2021:
6th William Sherman (PS? Denver)

2022:
1st Cole Strange
6th Chasen Hines (PS? Miami)
7th Andrew Steuber (backup Cincy)

2023:
4th Jake Andrews (IR)
4th Sidy Sow (A disappiontment)
5th Atonio Mafi (A disappointment, PS Indy)

2024:
3rd (90th+ pick) Caeden Wallace (underwhelming)
4th Layden Robinson (promising, good run blocking, poor pass protection, could be a Shaq Mason type)

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Bourne gets no separation whatsoever a sign of a WR that's finished. He doesn't have speed at his disposal neither is he a crafty Route runner. His value just dropped from a 6th Round Conditional to a 7th. Hurty up Wolf move this scrub before you can't.

He’s coming back from an acl and hasn’t played even a handful of games yet. Giving up on him at this point would be crazy. You give him the second half of the season and go from there. Nobody else but pop and boutte are showing any better anyway.

 

[Toofy]

Tee Higgins is currently injured I would Trade for him just to secure his rights. Bengals are probably out of it this year.

They would want a third rounder . Better to get it for free next year and also save on dollars this year. We can use the saved cash on this years contract to bump it up next year. If they take a 4th ( highly unlikely) we can trade.

 

[KCSVEN]

QB and Wide Receivers
The more tape I watch the more I get convinced we need a #1 WR more than any lineman.
Boutte, Douglas and Henry are WR/TE keepers. The rest of them can go or be replaced by some other JAG.
Boutte-He had Sauce on him quite a bit and as expected did not separate on a regular basis, but he was better than Polk was in the first game when Sauce was on Polk. This is a case of a #2 receiver being assigned to the #1 corner. He had some plays, but Sauce was the winner in most of the matchups but not really a big negative IMO. Besides having some plays, when Sauce was not on him he had better separation. His drop on Maye was clearly afraid of getting hit, but was sliding, 2 hands on it, so was avoiding hit and had 2 hands, should have caught it but I get it. The other "drop" was a bad throw by Jacoby behind him, not as much on Boutte IMO.
He's looking the part of a good #2 receiver. He turned Sauce around on the big play on the last drive, stuck his foot in the ground, made Sauce turn his hips and broke to inside, this was a #1 receiver route. You make a couple big plays and get open 4-5 times against a top corner that's a win despite the fact 90% of the time you are blanketed. Boutte continues to show he's a keeper and he should only get better. He's only 22 years old. Great future with Maye. Get him opposite a solid #1 and we are going to score some points.

Henry-How can you not love Henry, might be the most underrated TE in the NFL. He's not an all-pro but he is playing at a pro bowl level. Great re-signing, the team would be in trouble on offense without Henry, probably the 1 guy that can't get hurt in the receiving core.

Douglas-He's a good slot receiver, I don't watch enough slot receivers to say where he ranks but he's got to be in the top dozen. Smart, good hands, good quickness. Turns 24 this year. You have 24 years old DD and 22-year-old Boutte that are keepers and can build a relationship with Maye. He's not Edelman, might not be as good as McConkey but not an area you need to upgrade over other needs, he can hold down the slot for years.

Thornton-Guy can't separate or get off the line, made the crosser based on a busted coverage, had a screen pass, just not an NFL receiver IMO. I was out on him after watching tape earlier in the year and see nothing to say any different. He had 12 snaps, small sample but I just don't see it with him. He did get mildly pushed on the drop down the field, but he did not need to jump, he let the ball get to his body, pretty much did everything he should not have done trying to catch that ball. I would say Chase level player catches it but I also think any other WR that played for the Pats in that game catches that pass.

Osborn-Had good game last week, had 9 snaps this week, not much to go on, didn't stand out, had 1 play I thought he was open. Still better than TT, so based on last week play him more and TT less? Not sure it matters?

Bourne-52 snaps, 3 targets and zero receptions, Yikes! Also just does not separate and has had issues catching. I give him a pass on the middle drop, that was 100% hospital ball by Jacoby. The one down the field, another bad throw by Jacoby, made it difficult, BUT you are an NFL receiver, getting hands on the ball you got to catch them. He's not open regularly, not showing much this year so far, if someone gives up a 5th for him, I am all in on that trade.

Hooper-He's an NFL TE, a backup TE but and NFL TE. We should draft a TE next year around the 4th round and develop him. Hooper will suffice for a year, he does not hurt you as a backup/second TE, is fine.

Polk-Best game of year, no mistakes!

Quarterbacks
Drake Maye-PFF had him at a 93.6 rating before he left the game, only Herbert with a 95.3 was better. Again this week, I did not really have a play that I thought the read was bad. On the first pass to Boutte down the sidelines, that was a good pe-snap read, Boutte just could not get away from Sauce. On all 3 scrambles he had some tight window throws or a throws short of the sticks maybe, but the scramble was more yards and more likely to be successful. He's so good at seeing the pass rushers lose lane integrity, know the man to man defense and knows he has 10 yards+ available. He has also shown another burst on run plays 2 weeks in a row. The TD this week he just went up a notch to get to the end zone. Boutte pass/drop over middle, was a 3rd read on 3rd and 12, placed perfectly at the sticks. You have a handful of QB's that can do that. He looks better than at UNC and at UNC he was the best QB in college football 2 years straight no matter what anyone said. Get him a #1 receiver, I don't care if you need to trade up for 1 in the draft. McMilan or Hunter seem to be the 2 choices. DO IT!

Jacoby Brissett-Up and down tape for Jacoby. He took the right read for the first 9 plays, at least 6 were first reads. Then it seemed every other play was a smart decision and every other 1 was wrong. The Boutte drop was a bad throw behind him. The Hooper 1 on 1 to the EZ throw was an OK read, this was a play Maye runs, Jets lost Contain, easy 10- yard pickup for Maye, he also had KJ on the same play Maye threw the TD on last week but chose the covered Hooper 1 on 1. That's a play Maye has a passing TD to KJ or has a run for a first down in the red zone or a run for a TD. Jacoby made a great throw and Henry a great catch on final drive. This was after he made a bad read and made a bad throw on the play before. He followed the good throw to Henry with the downfield "drop" by Bourne, but a terrible throw, was supposed to be back shoulder, threw it to the inside, was a tough adjustment by Bourne, Jacoby just made that very hard to catch with a bad throw. He also had DD and Boutte as better options. He then scrambled and dumped to Rham for short gain but had Henry and also DD as better options. He smartly scrambles for a first down, follows that with an inaccurate throw to DD on a scramble.
Made a good throwaway decision, then the big Boutte throw which was good anticipation. He had a blitzer coming at him and got it out there. He leads Boutte it is a TD, I give him a pass because of the blitzer. Though I will say Jacoby is slow to react to blitzers and pressure. It's like he does not see them until it is almost too late much of the time. He had a good scramble and dump off to Rham and then after the TD run he had a really well designed and executed pick play for the 2-point conversion.
He made bad throws and bad reads but alternated them with a good play that got chunk yardage and had 3 really good plays, the Henry completion and the Boutte completion plus the scramble for first down. He made the last drive a higher difficulty level than he needed it to be but it ended up working. He had a 64.3 PFF and Maye had a 93.6, seems about right in terms of comparison of play.

I thought spacing was better, AVP probably called his best game. I would like to see less run on first down and more play action but outside that he had some really nicely designed plays, even some creativity!

Overall, what stands out is:
-Maye is great
-Jacoby was very inconsistent and had a ton of bad but came thru with clutch plays when he had to
-Boutte, Henry, and Douglas are the only keepers at WR/TE (Polk and Baker we shall see)
-Please do everything humanly possible to get a #1 receiver, even if it is a lower level #1


PFF Pressures:
Brown-4
Lowe-3
Jacobs-3
Jordan-1