Bedard: There was second guessing about Mayo over summer and him getting a second year isn't guaranteed

[FCB02062]

This is not all on Mayo.

This is on the Krafts.

If you end up firing your new coach after one year, you're a bad owner and you don't know what you're doing.

What makes this even worse is that Mayo has not actually had the support he needed to succeed.

He doesn't have great coaches on the offensive side, the front office shot blanks in free agency, and Mayo himself compounded the drop in team culture with his public pronouncements and touchy feeling Pete Carrollish rah-rah routine.

Mayo is going to be a convenient scapegoat, but I will never be convinced he wouldn't have succeeded as a coach if he actually had proper support and also proper seasoning. It is Mayo's fault at the end of the day because he's a coach who can be scapegoated and he went into this situation willingly pushing out his old coach.

Bottom line: this is Kraft's failure.

That you Tom Curran?

 

[archstanton543]

Serious question (not looking for he's crap relies). Do you think Mayo might be regretting taking on the HC job. To me his body language makes me wonder. He just seems beaten down, no energy. On the sideline during games there seems to be no energy emanating from him. Perhaps that's just how he is. But I do wonder.

Now we're doing body language stuff again. Fun times.

 

[Froob]

I think I gave you about 130 to choose from. There are more too.

I mean we could have done this to Bill too the last few years the team got worse every season. Building a team through FA isn't how good teams are built. It's the draft.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I mean we could have done this to Bill too the last few years the team got worse every season. Building a team through FA isn't how good teams are built. It's the draft.

Then we are screwed because Wolf's 2024 draft, except for Maye, is a complete and total disaster.

Most teams with a QB on his rookie deal use the extra cap space to sign high quality FAs. There are 4 more years of cost control with Maye. We could sign a top #1 WR in FA that is young for the next 4 years. The Pats are not going to do that?

 

[Froob]

Then we are screwed because Wolf's 2024 draft, except for Maye, is a complete and total disaster.

Most teams with a QB on his rookie deal use the extra cap space to sign high quality FAs. There are 4 more years of cost control with Maye. We could sign a top #1 WR in FA that is young for the next 4 years. The Pats are not going to do that?

You're declaring it a disaster 7 games in? Who is this top #1 WR we could have signed and didn't?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

You're declaring it a disaster 7 games in? Who is this top #1 WR we could have signed and didn't?

Yes it looks like a disaster 7 games in and that is a really bad sign. 7 games in the 2023 draft looked really good, and it is really good.

I said Maye has 4 more years on his rookie contract (that would be the future not the past) to sign a #1 WR for 4 years.

You stated signing FAs is not part of team building. Every team signs FAs as part of their team building strategy. I am curious why you think the Pats should not act like the other teams? Why are you against signing a young #1 WR in 2025 for 4 years?

 

[XLIX]

Serious question (not looking for he's crap relies). Do you think Mayo might be regretting taking on the HC job. To me his body language makes me wonder. He just seems beaten down, no energy. On the sideline during games there seems to be no energy emanating from him. Perhaps that's just how he is. But I do wonder.

Serious answer: He just might be. The agreement to have Mayo be the next HC of the NEP was (allegedly) made in the 2019 offseason. The Patriots were the reigning Super Bowl champions and had 20 years of dominating the NFL. The following season wasn't the best of the dynasty, but still not the **** show we have today. Mayo probably never imagined he'd inherit such a disaster.

I am not one of these people blaming everything on Mayo, but I just don't think 5 years as a position coach is adequate preparation for the top job. Even the (once) ultra-young Sean McVay, who became an HC at 31, had 9 years experience, 3 of which were as OC, before taking his HC job.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Serious question (not looking for he's crap relies). Do you think Mayo might be regretting taking on the HC job. To me his body language makes me wonder. He just seems beaten down, no energy. On the sideline during games there seems to be no energy emanating from him. Perhaps that's just how he is. But I do wonder.

"he's crap relies" -> "His crap replies" -> Are you referring to me? Let me know and I'll be happy to block you. You'll never see another!

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Or even if it wasn't.
If Maye was this much better than Brissett, he should have started week 1.

That one has been debated to death. It's all about how much risk you are willing to admit and what the reward is for taking it. I'm just glad he's in one piece and I hope he makes it through the end of the season with no serious injuries. He's starting now and there's no going back, especially given how well he's played and how much more advanced he is than many thought (including me). He's grown quickly since training camp, which is another sign he's going to be an elite QB.

 

[Dec54]

"he's crap relies" -> "His crap replies" -> Are you referring to me? Let me know and I'll be happy to block you. You'll never see another!

Well I was speaking in general terms. But not too sure a little "p" mistake is that serious though

 

[upstater1]

I mean we could have done this to Bill too the last few years the team got worse every season. Building a team through FA isn't how good teams are built. It's the draft.

I happen to believe the last few drafts were good with the exception of the Mac Jones draft. We were rebuilding. Our defense needed an overhaul first. We got 9 new starters on that D. We needed a QB. We still need a few more players. What we didn't need were new coaches.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Well I was speaking in general terms. But not too sure a little "p" mistake is that serious though

It was more than a "p", you also had a "he's" in there. I am just trying to figure out what you meant, but I get it now.

 

[Froob]

Yes it looks like a disaster 7 games in and that is a really bad sign. 7 games in the 2023 draft looked really good, and it is really good.

I said Maye has 4 more years on his rookie contract (that would be the future not the past) to sign a #1 WR for 4 years.

You stated signing FAs is not part of team building. Every team signs FAs as part of their team building strategy. I am curious why you think the Pats should not act like the other teams? Why are you against signing a young #1 WR in 2025 for 4 years?

Did I say I was against signing a WR1?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Did I say I was against signing a WR1?

OK, thanks.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

If Mayo can’t fix the run D, 1 & 16 is a lock. Problem is being a hands-off “CEO” coach, calling your team soft & delegating to your inexperienced DC, isn’t going to get it done.

He’s going to have to actually roll up his sleeves and do some actual work (coaching & scheming, the horror!) or this team is going to humiliated every F’n Sunday.

Even a hands off HC needs to be able to jump into the weeds on both sides of the ball when there are issues. It is most disturbing because Mayo should be an expert in defense.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I happen to believe the last few drafts were good with the exception of the Mac Jones draft. We were rebuilding. Our defense needed an overhaul first. We got 9 new starters on that D. We needed a QB. We still need a few more players. What we didn't need were new coaches.

Polk & Baker? Maye was a no-brainer, so we need to look at what happened after #3 to judge the draft. So far we've got a guy who runs his mouth about how great his hands are but can't catch the ball, and another guy who can't get on the field because he's so stupid he can't learn the playbook.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Serious question (not looking for he's crap relies). Do you think Mayo might be regretting taking on the HC job. To me his body language makes me wonder. He just seems beaten down, no energy. On the sideline during games there seems to be no energy emanating from him. Perhaps that's just how he is. But I do wonder.

We all want to be promoted, but Mayo could be regretting taking the job as he's getting exposed badly right now. In fact, it's so bad he may not ever get a positional job in the NFL if this doesn't get turned around and he's fired quickly.

Albert Breer had the example of Sean McVay being the youngest HC in the NFL, but immediately got Wade Phillips on his staff who's been a HC and respected DC. Mayo doesn't have that.

 

[Ring 6]

I mean we could have done this to Bill too the last few years the team got worse every season. Building a team through FA isn't how good teams are built. It's the draft.

So now you change your argument from there were no players to you shouldn’t sign free agents?
You never answered my question. When your roster stinks, and there are better free agents you just want to wait 5 years and draft? If you are lucky you get 3-4 players a year through the draft. Most of those dint contribute a lot in year 1.

Is your argument that you can’t criticize anyone because you can compare it to belichick and belichick was perfect?

How do you suppose winning teams win if about half of their players were their draft picks and you think it’s stupid to sign free agents that are better than the players you have?

 

[Froob]

So now you change your argument from there were no players to you shouldn’t sign free agents?
You never answered my question. When your roster stinks, and there are better free agents you just want to wait 5 years and draft? If you are lucky you get 3-4 players a year through the draft. Most of those dint contribute a lot in year 1.

Is your argument that you can’t criticize anyone because you can compare it to belichick and belichick was perfect?

How do you suppose winning teams win if about half of their players were their draft picks and you think it’s stupid to sign free agents that are better than the players you have?

Bill had four years to rebuild post Brady and Wolf gets 7 games and folks want to fire him. This is going to be a multi year project. I'd be very disappointed if they don't spend this year with it projected to be a good FA class.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

You stated signing FAs is not part of team building. Every team signs FAs as part of their team building strategy. I am curious why you think the Pats should not act like the other teams? Why are you against signing a young #1 WR in 2025 for 4 years?

You sure we can sign a young #1 WR? Even if one that is a good fit is available, it's likely that the bottom-feeder Patriots aren't high on his list. We're going to be uncompetitive in FA, especially if Mayo is still coach and Wolf is still GM.