PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL POSTGAME: Pats lose to the Jags 32-16, fall to 1-6

[One-If-By-Sea]

I give AVP credit in terms of Mayes development so far.

I do too, but that is completely different than being an OC. Designing plays, calling plays, and making in game adjustments are different than teaching proper QB footwork, arm angle, and progressing through reads.

 

[mgteich]

It's clear we have huge deficiencies at WR.

Drake can't do it all by himself. Polk and Bourne are no better than 3rd or 4th WRs at best. Assuming we have Douglas as our #2, we still need a #1. And frankly, I'd rather have Boutte out there as our 3rd than Polk or Bourne.

We lost the game in the trenches ...
not going anywhere until we win in the trenches.
We need the players ... it's not a coaching thing.

Yes, we need help on both lines. BTW, the OL is playing much better than I would have expected with what they have, especially with Maye at QB. This game was primarily lost by the Defense. The WR situation needs to be more reliable. We should be OK with Douglas, Bourne, Boutte as the primary receivers, along with Henry.
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HOWEVER,

Pre-snap penalties are indeed a coaching thing.

Certain players mailing it in or playing for their own stats is a coaching thing.

Giving lots of playing time to a WR who thinks he has the best hands in the NFL is a coaching thing.

 

[mgteich]

We need Barmore and Bentley back badly.

We also need about 3 high level offensive linemen.

Drake needs a stud 1st option as well. I remember how our offense changed when we added Moss and again with Gronk.

The OL played well enough to win. The WR's did not.

 

[mgteich]

I think we only need a Tackle. We have more than enough guards and centers.

We need a #1 WR.

But here is something we need almost as much: LBs. Plenty of them. Bentley is hurt and older, Tavai is not suited for this at all, misses tackles, can't cover. Uche is just a bust all around.

Next year I only want to see Tavai return as a backup. We need real LBs who can tackle and cover.

Our game fell apart today when the linebackers all collectively decided not to cover and not to tackle.

Draft needs:

1. Tackle
2. #1 WR
3. LBs
4. CB
5. TEs
6. Safeties
7. RBs

We have exactly ZERO idea of draft needs before seeing who we sign in free agency.

 

[slash83]

The OL played well enough to win. The WR's did not.

Not having Pop pretty much the whole game hurt.

 

[mgteich]

We need a LT, RT, and Center more than a #1 WR.

What is your point? Obviously, with $140M and top draft picks, we should be able to do all of these.

For me, I think that center is a lower need than DT, LB and CB.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, we need help on both lines. BTW, the OL is playing much better than I would have expected with what they have, especially with Maye at QB. This game was primarily lost by the Defense. The WR situation needs to be more reliable. We should be OK with Douglas, Bourne, Boutte as the primary receivers, along with Henry.
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HOWEVER,

Pre-snap penalties are indeed a coaching thing.

Certain players mailing it in or playing for their own stats is a coaching thing.

Giving lots of playing time to a WR who thinks he has the best hands in the NFL is a coaching thing.

Since Maye took over the RBs have carried 33 times for 64 yards. Less than 2 yards a carry, 32 yards a game. Don’t be fooled that Maye being decisive and mobile means the OL is better, he’s just hiding the pass blocking deficiency better and the run blocking is brutal.

 

[Brotherblues]

I kinda like when I agree with Andy on something. It's like having a stunt double for all the hardcore fight scenes with explosions and fires and stuff while you just drink a beer and chill.

 

[festy1986]

Of course we do

We literally don't. You can't spend your entire time here in denial about everything.

 

[festy1986]

How did they not have the time? There were 9 minutes left.

Are you saying don’t go for 2 because it’s better to not manage the clock for what you really need to score and it’s better to have hope longer and lose than to know what you have to do?

How is 9 minutes enough time to have two possessions and stop the jags? Did you watch the game?

 

[Ring 6]

We literally don't. You can't spend your entire time here in denial about everything.

We saw the game. If we converted the 2 we still lose.
But we saw the result of the 2 so we needed 2 scores and we couldn’t get 1.

What do you think if we kick the point we are going to have different players and coaches for the rest of the game?

What followed was they held the ball for 4 1/2 minutes then we went for 4 th and 26 from the 10. Kicking a pat isn’t changing that.

 

[Ring 6]

How is 9 minutes enough time to have two possessions and stop the jags? Did you watch the game?

How would kicking the point change that? You still needed 2 possessions because you aren’t getting the 2.

With 9 minutes left do you think you give up? You don’t make decisions on hindsight. Going for 2 gives you a better chance of winning the game.

 

[Ring 6]

What is your point? Obviously, with $140M and top draft picks, we should be able to do all of these.

For me, I think that center is a lower need than DT, LB and CB.

Your funny. I remember saying that last year. We signed Larry Mo and curly and drafted Chad Jackson and Adrian Klemm

 

[festy1986]

How would kicking the point change that? You still needed 2 possessions because you aren’t getting the 2.

With 9 minutes left do you think you give up? You don’t make decisions on hindsight. Going for 2 gives you a better chance of winning the game.

What do you mean we aren't getting the 2? You think because we didn't get the 2 at the 9 minute mark that must mean the same play, with the same players, with the same mileage will play out exactly the same?

That's not how it works.

 

[festy1986]

We saw the game. If we converted the 2 we still lose.
But we saw the result of the 2 so we needed 2 scores and we couldn’t get 1.

What do you think if we kick the point we are going to have different players and coaches for the rest of the game?

What followed was they held the ball for 4 1/2 minutes then we went for 4 th and 26 from the 10. Kicking a pat isn’t changing that.

Being down 8 instead of 9 with 5 minutes to go changed your entire game plan. It changed the plays called, it changes the urgency, the results would quite literally of been different.

It's not debatable. It's not subjective. It's a undisputable, non debatable fact.

 

[Ring 6]

What do you mean we aren't getting the 2? You think because we didn't get the 2 at the 9 minute mark that must mean the same play, with the same players, with the same mileage will play out exactly the same?

That's not how it works.

Yes. You ran your 2 point conversion and didn’t get it.
You get 1 shot at it.

 

[festy1986]

Yes. You ran your 2 point conversion and didn’t get it.
You get 1 shot at it.

You can't predict something that didn't happen. Do you pass off conjecture as fact in your real life too? Do people call you out on it?

 

[Ring 6]

Being down 8 instead of 9 with 5 minutes to go changed your entire game plan. It changed the plays called, it changes the urgency, the results would quite literally of been different.

It's not debatable. It's not subjective. It's a undisputable, non debatable fact.

That’s exactly the point. Knowing you are down 2 scores makes you change your game plan. Pretending you are down one gives you the best case of scoring and losing by 2 when you miss the conversion.
You need to know what you are facing.

Of course it’s harder to win down 9 than 8, and that’s the point, whether you take the 2 on the first try or the second you need 3 scores. Better to know you need 3 than to pretend you don’t.

Yes in a pretend world where you can just pretend you convert everything is different, but we are dealing with reality.

 

[Ring 6]

You can't predict something that didn't happen. Do you pass off conjecture as fact in your real life too? Do people call you out on it?

It literally happened. They tried a 2 point conversion and failed. Fact.
You are the one pretending you wild get a different result.

 

[festy1986]

That’s exactly the point. Knowing you are down 2 scores makes you change your game plan. Pretending you are down one gives you the best case of scoring and losing by 2 when you miss the conversion.
You need to know what you are facing.

Of course it’s harder to win down 9 than 8, and that’s the point, whether you take the 2 on the first try or the second you need 3 scores. Better to know you need 3 than to pretend you don’t.

Yes in a pretend world where you can just pretend you convert everything is different, but we are dealing with reality.

Known they were down 2 scores changed their game plan for the worse. Not better.

You are making assumptions that because they didn't get it they were never going to get it and that's about as stupid as it sounds.

It doesn't work that way and your brain is supposed to be smarter than the computer but obviously you're struggling with that.