Best I’ve felt after a Patriots loss… EVER…

[Spiral]

I'll see you the Plunkett game and raise you one. My first trip to Fenway, I didn't sit on top of the left field wall, I sat in front of it.
I'm not ready to start work on that Drake Maye bust for the HOF. He needs to improve his accuracy. He reminds me of the kind of golfer who hits a good shot about 30% of the time and thinks he's really good. He also needs to get bigger or else he's not going to last. He has a basketball player-type of build. A good prospect--let's see what happens. I wouldn't place too much emphasis on yesterday's game. Once they went up 14-0, the Texans knew the game was over.
The offensive line is the worst I've ever seen--it will take lots of free agent money, draft picks and luck to fix that. Wolf and Mayo should start acting like their jobs depend on fixing this--because I'm sure it does. Someone in that organization needs to get in Onwenu's face and tell him to lose 40 pounds in the off season or not bother showing up for camp next year.
That being said, I like watching the defense, at least for the first half or so. Seems like they're playing hard, which is a tribute to Mayo and/or Covington.

 

[Rob0729]

Rob we need somebody who can at least Block Air our Tackles are that bad. I know Jacksonville is thin at Tackle I would trade for that guy below .

Walker Little - Jacksonville Jaguars Offensive Tackle - ESPN

I am not giving up a fourth rounder or higher for a tackle to play 11 games and then walk in free agency when the Pats probably have a ceiling of six wins this season. That is just stupid. That fourth rounder could be a solid starter for a decade for the Pats. I don't care how bad the o-line is. You don't give up good draft capital when you are a younger team in the first year of a new rebuild just to get better for a half of a season.

 

[PatsFan2]

I am not giving up a fourth rounder or higher for a tackle to play 11 games and then walk in free agency when the Pats probably have a ceiling of six wins this season. That is just stupid. That fourth rounder could be a solid starter for a decade for the Pats. I don't care how bad the o-line is. You don't give up good draft capital when you are a younger team in the first year of a new rebuild just to get better for a half of a season.

You get Good Offensive Tackles in the First or Second Rounds. You are wishing upon a star from the Third Rounds on I am not saying we can't get lucky but we can't bank on that.

 

[Rob0729]

You get Good Offensive Tackles in the First or Second Rounds. You are wishing upon a star from the Third Rounds on I am not saying we can't get lucky but we can't bank on that.

Who said the hypothetical fourth rounder that the Pats would be giving up for a rent a player would be a tackle. A lot great starters, even Hall of Fame starters, were drafted in the fourth round even if it wasn't a tackle.

The Pats have a lot of needs to build this team. I am not giving up good draft capital for a rent a player.

 

[PatsFan2]

Who said the hypothetical fourth rounder that the Pats would be giving up for a rent a player would be a tackle. A lot great starters, even Hall of Fame starters, were drafted in the fourth round even if it wasn't a tackle.

The Pats have a lot of needs to build this team. I am not giving up good draft capital for a rent a player.

Rob: Maye took some vicious shots from borderline NFL players masquerading as Offensive Tackles maybe you're ok with it but I'm not. Wolf's next move should be getting a Competent Tackle to protect Maye via a Trade. He's an idiotic GM if that doesn't happen.

 

[reflexblue]

It's more like stopping the bleeding.

I think it was more than just stopping the bleeding. Maye looked like he has the tools physically and mentally to be a really good qb. He kept his cool under pressure and didn't let his first int affect him.

 

[bresna]

I was optimistic heading into this season but these last two games have me wondering if the NFL has something against the Pats. I thought when Belichick left, maybe they'd go easier on them. Instead, we have two weeks in a row where the refereeing has given the opposing team every possible break and failed to call the games evenly. Yesterday's game should have been 7-6 at halftime, not 14-7. Last week's game had a phantom penalty every time the Pats pulled off a big play.

I am not optimistic that this team can overcome their shortcomings AND the refs.

 

[Rob0729]

Rob: Maye took some vicious shots from borderline NFL players masquerading as Offensive Tackles maybe you're ok with it but I'm not. Wolf's next move should be getting a Competent Tackle to protect Maye via a Trade. He's an idiotic GM if that doesn't happen.

Getting a new tackle in November is probably not going to fix the problems. In fact, they could make it worse if the o-line ever starts to get some consistency and they learn to work together. And a QB can get destroyed against a great o-line.

I am sorry, but I don't care about this year. If you are so scared of Maye getting injured, don't play him. And if you play him, tell him to stop taking off and running with the ball because that is probably where he is more likely to get injured.

The only tackle I would consider the Pats trading for is Cam Robinson because the Jags just benched him (in large part to his impending free agency) and he can probably be had on the cheap like a sixth rounder just to get his salary off the books. If he rebounds to his old form, he would be worthy of an extension because he would be a solid LT. If not, you let him walk. I do not think there is a single tackle that will be available worth anything more than a sixth or seventh rounder. Tackles are too valuable and most teams won't give them up for nothing.

EDIT: I have bad info on Robinson. I read an article that seems to state that Robinson was benched, but I cannot find it anywhere else. I think it is either a bad story or poorly written. As far as I can tell, Robinson is still starting. Changes all that I said.

 

[PatsFan2]

Getting a new tackle in November is probably not going to fix the problems. In fact, they could make it worse if the o-line ever starts to get some consistency and they learn to work together. And a QB can get destroyed against a great o-line.

I am sorry, but I don't care about this year. If you are so scared of Maye getting injured, don't play him. And if you play him, tell him to stop taking off and running with the ball because that is probably where he is more likely to get injured.

The only tackle I would consider the Pats trading for is Cam Robinson because the Jags just benched him (in large part to his impending free agency) and he can probably be had on the cheap like a sixth rounder just to get his salary off the books. If he rebounds to his old form, he would be worthy of an extension because he would be a solid LT. If not, you let him walk. I do not think there is a single tackle that will be available worth anything more than a sixth or seventh rounder. Tackles are too valuable and most teams won't give them up for nothing.

Now we're talking make it happen Wolf.

 

[PatsFan2]

Getting a new tackle in November is probably not going to fix the problems. In fact, they could make it worse if the o-line ever starts to get some consistency and they learn to work together. And a QB can get destroyed against a great o-line.

I am sorry, but I don't care about this year. If you are so scared of Maye getting injured, don't play him. And if you play him, tell him to stop taking off and running with the ball because that is probably where he is more likely to get injured.

The only tackle I would consider the Pats trading for is Cam Robinson because the Jags just benched him (in large part to his impending free agency) and he can probably be had on the cheap like a sixth rounder just to get his salary off the books. If he rebounds to his old form, he would be worthy of an extension because he would be a solid LT. If not, you let him walk. I do not think there is a single tackle that will be available worth anything more than a sixth or seventh rounder. Tackles are too valuable and most teams won't give them up for nothing.

Rob you should make a Cam Robinson thread you might be on to something I know Wolf reads this Forum.

 

[Rob0729]

Rob you should make a Cam Robinson thread you might be on to something I know Wolf reads this Forum.

No. I think I read bad info. I don't think Robinson has been benched. If he was benched it would be a big story in Jacksonville, I cannot find anything. And he is still listed as a starter in all the depth charts.

They are probably going to trade Robinson by the trade deadline if they can get a good deal, but it might be with a contender who is willing to give up a lot to get him.

 

[Wozzy]

He was scared to make a mistake his margin for error was razor thin.. he played scared like he was the rookie.. he never gave defenses anything to worry about.. he average 4 yards per play, Drake average almost 8 in one game. He knew all season Drake was breathing down his neck and played like it.

Brissett played under worse conditions.

Maye has a lot more talent than Jacoby, Jacoby makes a lot fewer mistakes. That’s not a controversial take.

 

[Wozzy]

Wozzy I think AVP will be let go at years end Maye needs a OC in this century.

Maybe… but I doubt it.

 

[KCSVEN]

That he does. I looked at the total Picture.. Houston is a top 5 defense who hadn't had a QB do what Drake did all season.. he broke down the defense with his running ability and throwing on the run.. gave me Josh Allen vibes!

To me he's a Herbert/Allen Hybrid taking the best of each.

Allen: Ok Processor, some accuracy issues, but aggressive thrower, usually 6-8% Big Time Throw Rate. Strong Arm and can hurt you running.
Herbert: Elite Processor, accurate, strong arm, but when misses, he misses high, not aggressive (BTT rate usually around 3-5%

Maye is a better processor than Allen and better accuracy, not as good as Herbert as a processor but still Good-Very Good. He's and aggressive thrower, likes throwing downfield and also runs. Not as big or as strong an arm as Allen.

Maye is slightly worse than Herbert/Allen in some areas but he's much better in areas where they are weak. He throws very much like Herbert and also misses high like Herbert when he's off. Key is to work on some mechanics in the off-season to limit those.

 

[Wozzy]

Agreed, aft

I agree with all this. He has a lot to work on especially ball location.

One thing that scared the **** out of me early on was he gave up on reading plays and took off and ran way too quickly. That's a horrendous habit for a QB. However, he fixed that after the 1st quarter which was good to see.

The most optimistic part about his play yesterday, by far, was how much he improved from quarter 1 to 4, it was night and day.

Agreed, after the initial jitters wore off he played better and kept his eyes downfield.

Mayo and Van Pelt have to cleanup these penalties, they’re not good enough to screw up on first downs.

 

[Wozzy]

Agreed, aft

I agree with all this. He has a lot to work on especially ball location.

One thing that scared the **** out of me early on was he gave up on reading plays and took off and ran way too quickly. That's a horrendous habit for a QB. However, he fixed that after the 1st quarter which was good to see.

The most optimistic part about his play yesterday, by far, was how much he improved from quarter 1 to 4, it was night and day.

Agreed, after the initial jitters wore off he played better and kept his eyes downfield.

Mayo and Van Pelt have to cleanup these penalties, they’re not good enough to screw up on first downs.

 

[Wozzy]

It looked like most of Maye's bad throws can be attributed to being too amped up for his first game. I like how he got better as the game went on, highlighted by the TD to Douglas. He missed that throw earlier in the game and learned from the mistakes. He seems to have the right attitude and resolve to be an NFL QB.

I think it’s also a footwork thing, he needs to be more disciplined and fundamentally sound. A lazy pass that relies on arm alone is usually an inaccurate throw.

 

[Real fan 02]

Brissett played under worse conditions.

Maye has a lot more talent than Jacoby, Jacoby makes a lot fewer mistakes. That’s not a controversial take.

Well.. I'd rather take the more talented player with the risk of mistakes.. becuase the talented player can learn to minimize mistakes the other player can't learn to develop talent.

 

[Wozzy]

Well.. I'd rather take the more talented player with the risk of mistakes.. becuase the talented player can learn to minimize mistakes the other player can't learn to develop talent.

Maye wasn’t ready earlier… that’s like saying you wanted a really good piece of bread while the ingredients were still flour, egg and water.

Waiting was smart…

 

[Real fan 02]

To me he's a Herbert/Allen Hybrid taking the best of each.

Allen: Ok Processor, some accuracy issues, but aggressive thrower, usually 6-8% Big Time Throw Rate. Strong Arm and can hurt you running.
Herbert: Elite Processor, accurate, strong arm, but when misses, he misses high, not aggressive (BTT rate usually around 3-5%

Maye is a better processor than Allen and better accuracy, not as good as Herbert as a processor but still Good-Very Good. He's and aggressive thrower, likes throwing downfield and also runs. Not as big or as strong an arm as Allen.

Maye is slightly worse than Herbert/Allen in some areas but he's much better in areas where they are weak. He throws very much like Herbert and also misses high like Herbert when he's off. Key is to work on some mechanics in the off-season to limit those.

Great stuff. I like Herbert.. but we have enough of information on Herbert.. I think Maye will end up being a better surveyor than Herbert. But your assessment is spot on.. I see Allen and Herbert in him.. maye also has alpha dawg in him.. you can see it.. imagine where Drake would be in his career had he started week 1.