The Brady > Mahomes thread - It's not even close

[1960Pats]

Just a few stats

Brady SB winning rate.....67% (6/9)
Maholmes.............................75% (3/4)

Brady playoff winning rate ....74% (31-11)
Maholmes.....................................83% (15-3)

Biggest drought without winning a ring
Brady 9 years
Mahomes 2 years

Mahomes has 3 wins in 5 years, not 4.

Does the competition have any impact on the QBs? Brady played against much stiffer competition than Mahomes.

Brady vs Mahomes in playoffs... 100% (2-0)
Mahomes vs Brady in playoffs... 0% (0-2)

 

[TheRainMaker]

The Chiefs are in the best position to 3 peat. If they stay healthy and Rice/Worthy or someone else emerges at WR, it's a wrap. The Chiefs and Mahomes will hold record nobody else has ever had.

 

[Grogan14]

SB wins is the most important barometer.
When Mahomes has played as many seasons as Brady the question can be answered.
If he does thereat next year he will be well on his way to closing in.

The competition Mahomes faced and beat last year was very tough, just as tough as any Patriots SB winning season

1. Win against dolphins team in -4 degrees
2. Win against Ravens at Baltimore
3. Win against a very strong niners team in SB

 

[Guts]

SB wins is the most important barometer.
When Mahomes has played as many seasons as Brady the question can be answered.
If he does thereat next year he will be well on his way to closing in.

The competition Mahomes faced and beat last year was very tough, just as tough as any Patriots SB winning season

1. Win against dolphins team in -4 degrees
2. Win against Ravens at Baltimore
3. Win against a very strong niners team in SB

I'd say his only real competition there was the 49ers
There's no true threat to the Chiefs I can definitely see a 3 peat unfortunately
Bengals I don't trust them to keep Burrow healthy
The Bills are LOL chokers
Ravens don't run the ball in the postseason lmao
The LOLfins are led by Tua

Where's the teams the Pats had to go through like the Manning Colts/Broncos, Steelers and Ravens Defenses even the Chargers were legit in those days

 

[sb1]

I'd say his only real competition there was the 49ers
There's no true threat to the Chiefs I can definitely see a 3 peat unfortunately
Bengals I don't trust them to keep Burrow healthy
The Bills are LOL chokers
Ravens don't run the ball in the postseason lmao
The LOLfins are led by Tua

Where's the teams the Pats had to go through like the Manning Colts/Broncos, Steelers and Ravens Defenses even the Chargers were legit in those days

And the Andy Reid Eagles/Chiefs

 

[The Brandon Five]

SB wins is the most important barometer.
When Mahomes has played as many seasons as Brady the question can be answered.
If he does thereat next year he will be well on his way to closing in.

The competition Mahomes faced and beat last year was very tough, just as tough as any Patriots SB winning season

1. Win against dolphins team in -4 degrees
2. Win against Ravens at Baltimore
3. Win against a very strong niners team in SB

No one is topping what Tom did in Tampa:

Beat Drew Brees on the road in the Divisional
Beat Aaron Rodgers on the road in the NFCCG
Beat Mahomes in the SB

A gauntlet of HOF QB's

 

[mjd1001]

Someone else (I won't take credit for it myself) posted something after the KC game last week I thought was funny (a bit of truth in it).

Something to the effect of: "When they put Mahomes statue up outside the stadium in KC when he retires, I hope its him posing in his most effective/important pose....with his hands in the air looking for a Penalty flag to be thrown against the opposition."

 

[NFL Mystique]

Anyone think KC has a chance of going undefeated? Toughest games are Texans & Bills. Win those two...I'm not seeing a loss on the schedule.

I've found comparing QB's is impossible to do lately. Do we compare just titles? Stats? How it/he looks? Which QB faced tougher competition? Who had better teammates? Importance of Regular season accolades?

Shannon Sharpe once said: "I'd want Mahomes for 58 minutes. I'd take Brady for the last two minutes." I'm unsure exactly what that all means. But it's what he said.

 

[Guts]

Anyone think KC has a chance of going undefeated? Toughest games are Texans & Bills. Win those two...I'm not seeing a loss on the schedule.

I've found comparing QB's is impossible to do lately. Do we compare just titles? Stats? How it/he looks? Which QB faced tougher competition? Who had better teammates? Importance of Regular season accolades?

Shannon Sharpe once said: "I'd want Mahomes for 58 minutes. I'd take Brady for the last two minutes." I'm unsure exactly what that all means. But it's what he said.

Nobody is going undefeated KC squeaked out 3 wins barely. They will be the #1 seed though

 

[Nikolai]

Undefeated seasons require crazy luck and amazing, world-beating play and talent. As good as the 2007 Pats were, it took a wild, unsanctioned Rex Ryan timeout against the Ravens for the Pats to squeak one out against them...and they weren't particularly good at the time. That doesn't get into the closer games against the Giants, Eagles, and Colts.

The 2024 Chiefs are not the 2007 Pats. Agreed with the above that they are the prohibitive favorites for the #1 seed, but going undefeated is extremely unlikely.

 

[carmelo15]

Anyone think KC has a chance of going undefeated? Toughest games are Texans & Bills. Win those two...I'm not seeing a loss on the schedule.

I've found comparing QB's is impossible to do lately. Do we compare just titles? Stats? How it/he looks? Which QB faced tougher competition? Who had better teammates? Importance of Regular season accolades?

Shannon Sharpe once said: "I'd want Mahomes for 58 minutes. I'd take Brady for the last two minutes." I'm unsure exactly what that all means. But it's what he said.

You trolling? They basically lost to Atlanta and a bad Cincinnati team at home till the refs saved them

 

[carmelo15]

Does Rodgers have enough left to beat Kermit and Goodell if they get Adams? Adams/Wilson with Hall is a deadly combination.

I think Buffalo with adams is legit as well but o don’t see that happening

 

[jimnance]

Anyone think KC has a chance of going undefeated? Toughest games are Texans & Bills. Win those two...I'm not seeing a loss on the schedule.

I've found comparing QB's is impossible to do lately. Do we compare just titles? Stats? How it/he looks? Which QB faced tougher competition? Who had better teammates?Ba Importance of Regular season accolades?

Shannon Sharpe once said: "I'd want Mahomes for 58 minutes. I'd take Brady for the last two minutes." I'm unsure exactly what that all means. But it's what he said.

You're insure what means? Lol
No, you're not.
You know ?exactly whatbit means:
Brady is more clutch than Mahomes.
Everybody knows that.
It's not remotely close.
Nobody's ever going to pass Brady for clutchness.

 

[Not-A-Chiefs-Fan]

Does Rodgers have enough left to beat Kermit and Goodell if they get Adams?

Rodgers' playoff record is 11-9 vs Mahomes' 15-3, so no.

Also you guys gotta give up this crazy conspiracy theory that Goodell is actively trying to destroy the Patriots' legacy by helping the Chiefs cheat. Do you have any idea how crazy that sounds? You're a proud successful franchise and one that's been attacked for decades with accusations of cheating. I'd expect you guys to defend the Chiefs over the BS accusations, not take the side of all the butthurt losers for the simple fact you've been in this exact same situation.

 

[AJAK888]

When it's all said and done, Mahomes will be considered as the better QB. He has the better physical attributes. Mahomes is harder to stop and isn't just a pocket passer. Mahomes is the best when it comes to playing "backyard football" as they say.

It's not about who has more rings, football is a team sport, not an individual sport. If it were the case that whoever has the most rings is the greatest, then Bill Russell would be considered as better than MJ, but that obviously isn't the case.

Mahomes is ahead of Brady in every statistic as the video below illustrates.

Also, Mahomes doesn't have any cheating scandals hanging over him such as Spygate and Deflategate. I wouldn't blame Spygate on Brady though, that was more on Bill and Ernie Adams, but it did give Brady a competitive advantage.

I don't consider cheaters as the greatest. I used to view Jon Jones as the GOAT of the UFC, but since he was discovered to be using steroids, I don't consider him as the GOAT anymore because he cheated.

With the logic that Tom beat Mahomes in a SB therefore he is better, Eli is better than Tom with this logic.

 

[sb1]

, Mahomes will be considered as the better QB.

Correct that rings are a team stat but it matters because perception can be reality and head to head also matters a lot.

Brady is 2-0 head to head against Mahomes in the postseason - in other words, games that matter. That will never go away in this "debate" even if Mahomes wins 7 rings. Brady never had a stinker like Mahomes did in any of his Super Bowls. Mahomes SB rating of 85 ain't all that either. (Brady's is 97 so it has to be obvious who really is the better QB in games that matter)

With the logic that Tom beat Mahomes in a SB therefore he is better, Eli is better than Tom with this logic.

No get it right... Tom didn't beat Mahomes - Tom whooped Mahomes in a non competitive total demolition. The Patriots and Giants played 2 awesome games that could have gone either way.

And Brady didn't only accumulate his stats in the modern era of the game he played in two eras, before and after the Bill Polian inspired rules changes that overwhelmingly benefits passing. And not just that... Mahomes inherited the same offensive playmakers and coach that made Alex Smith look like an all pro. Brady never benefited from that. So comparing Mahomes stats to Brady's at this point is meaningless.

As for the -gates, even Goodell admitted there was no competitive advantage gained by spygate and all informed fans including non Patriots fans understand the other -gate was a complete farce. Don't forget Mahomes only had Reid who is an offensive guru as his head coach. Brady IS an offensive guru who has given 2 coaches Super Bowl rings. Huge difference.

I'm afraid there's a very long way to go before this is even a real conversation.

 

[NFL Mystique]

If he threepeats, unprecedented, it's going to be very difficult for media and other fans to say Brady>Mahomes. Mahomes will have done something that is unlikely to be done again.

Fair or not, it's also going to be a "problem" for some that Mahomes has never lost to a QB like Sanchez, Flacco, Plummer, or Tannehill in the postseason. His only losses have come against elite QB's. That's not a great way of judging things. But I know of people who have already brought it up.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

If he threepeats, unprecedented, it's going to be very difficult for media and other fans to say Brady>Mahomes. Mahomes will have done something that is unlikely to be done again.

Fair or not, it's also going to be a "problem" for some that Mahomes has never lost to a QB like Sanchez, Flacco, Plummer, or Tannehill in the postseason. His only losses have come against elite QB's. That's not a great way of judging things. But I know of people who have already brought it up.

Sure, these are all “in the moment” arguments. This is why we’ve had hilariously bad in hindsight takes that Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers is the GOAT. Just look any sport. Is Mike Trout still the GOAT? Kobe? Both based on peak play that didn’t last as long as people expected and, most notably, underestimating championship total, which has always been the gold standard.

7>3

7>4

Just like in tennis, while we all loved and appreciated the artistry of Federer, and the grit of Nadal, in the end there really isn’t a debate at all. Everyone knows the number needed to be reached. After all the players retire and the dust settles, the total number is the standard.

Also, Brady was straight up better than Mahomes, whose overall play is already in significant decline at age 29.

 

[Zarozzor]

Sure, these are all “in the moment” arguments. This is why we’ve had hilariously bad in hindsight takes that Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers is the GOAT. Just look any sport. Is Mike Trout still the GOAT? Kobe? Both based on peak play that didn’t last as long as people expected and, most notably, underestimating championship total, which has always been the gold standard.

7>3

7>4

Just like in tennis, while we all loved and appreciated the artistry of Federer, and the grit of Nadal, in the end there really isn’t a debate at all. Everyone knows the number needed to be reached. After all the players retire and the dust settles, the total number is the standard.

Also, Brady was straight up better than Mahomes, whose overall play is already in significant decline at age 29.

The funniest part about the “Mahomes is the greatest thing we’ve ever seen” people is that peak Brady and Manning clear him when it comes to advanced league adjusted numbers. Both in 1-year peak and 5-year prime.

 

[AJAK888]

I saw Brady's entire career. Mahomes at this point is better than Brady was and if he does this for another decade regardless of the ring count he will be better.

Also, Rodgers choking in playoffs is fiction. His defenses gave up an average of 33 points in his playoff losses. Compare that with Brady.

He choked maybe once in 2022 against the niners but still did enough to win. It was a special teams disaster that cost GB the game.

It's asinine to think the QB with the 6th highest postseason passer rating in NFL history is some postseason failure, and people seem to keep discounting that his 5 best seasons of his career are, on average, statistically better than pretty much any other QB's best 5-season average across the history of the league.

Mahomes certainly has surpassed Rodgers as the most talented QB of all time. An athlete in every sense of the word, not just a pocket passer. More than a dual threat.

The rings argument is stupid in basketball when it's one of five. It's even more stupid in football where it's 1 guy out 22.

The chiefs D gave up like the third most penalties in Super Bowl history in SB55 and Mahomes had a third string o line to work with. That game was not very telling of any skill gap between the QB’s. That game is a perfect example of why rings are a bad metric. Brady played ok he didn't light the world on fire, his defense did a lot. Mahomes had a superhuman performance but his entire team refused to help him.

Mahomes was running for his life that whole game. The Chiefs entire OL was hurt. Brady would have been on his ass near the entire game like he was in the 2016 AFCCG vs Broncos if the teams were reversed.