Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[TheRainMaker]

Unfortunately I am starting to feel like there may be some finger pointing starting to happen behind the scenes about who is at fault. Maybe I am reading into it too much but Mayo's "head coach of the offense" comment and his recent comments about needing to get the ball out quicker read to me like a subtle "don't look at me" when it comes to the offensive struggles. When things start going sideways people start getting protective and I have to assume there is some second guessing about the tackle position which would have fingers pointed at Wolfe too.

In reality I agree with most in this thread that AVP would likely be the first head to roll if changes are made but I just don't like that we were told Mayo is a "leader of men" type and now the men he's leading seem to be changing direction. Not saying I want him fired but I just wish he would present a more cohesive public perception with the staff as a whole instead of saying one thing and backtracking or saying something that could seem like finger pointing.

It really all comes down to the QB. Shanahan in SF was struggling badly with Hoyer at QB. I watched every game he started (and lost) and it was a worse **** show then what we are seeing in NE. Hoyer was doing sign language/looking like a pantomime at the line of scrimmage trying to act like Brady/Manning running the clock down only to throw it at the feet of a WR. It was among the worst QB play I've ever seen. Then when the 49ers pulled off the Jimmy G trade, you saw things immediately turn around and the potential of the team.

By mid season, Mayo needs to seriously consider putting Maye out their and getting reps to show them whether he has the potential or not. If Maye is incapable, Mayo won't last past year 2. Year 3 max.

 

[Ross12]

I think there's always a chance, because we've seen teams fire a guy after one season, even when he's taken over a bad team to begin with. It just takes an especially brutal season, and there probably needs to be rumblings that the locker room is already lost. So if that happens, Mayo could be one and done. But I don't personally see it happening. Kraft doesn't strike me as the reactionary type. He's going to give Wolf/Mayo at least two years: Year one to reset and establish a baseline, year two to show improvement of some kind. If they show no improvement at all in year 2, the leash is gonna get real short.

Yes I agree. Year 1 is the reset and Year 2 is to show real progress. If there's not enough progress, they will want to make a change then while there are still 3 cheap years of Drake Maye left. They can't really wait too long on that.

 

[Love The Drake]

It really all comes down to the QB. Shanahan in SF was struggling badly with Hoyer at QB. I watched every game he started (and lost) and it was a worse **** show then what we are seeing in NE. Hoyer was doing sign language/looking like a pantomime at the line of scrimmage trying to act like Brady/Manning running the clock down only to throw it at the feet of a WR. It was among the worst QB play I've ever seen. Then when the 49ers pulled off the Jimmy G trade, you saw things immediately turn around and the potential of the team.

By mid season, Mayo needs to seriously consider putting Maye out their and getting reps to show them whether he has the potential or not. If Maye is incapable, Mayo won't last past year 2. Year 3 max.

Oconnel has Darnold as a MVP candidate.

 

[203Pat]

The lack of hierarchy is really going to be a problem for this team. There’s a coach of the offense. There’s a head coach. There’s a GM. And none of them report to each other. So no one football person is in charge. They all report to ownership. So it’s inevitable they’re all going to start pointing fingers at each other.

The org chart over there is definitely concerning. Whatever the main of command actually is over there it seems to doing more harm than good. Once again, speculation on my part, but I feel like AVP and Wolfe are aligned on keeping Maye on the bench which unfortunately seems like they may be in one camp with Mayo in another. Also lends me to believe that AVP is indeed reporting straight to Wolfe as one would assume Mayo is. I also don't really know how Robin Glaser factors into all this. Does football report to Wolfe and Wolfe reports to Johnathan Kraft? I know around the time of announcement that Glaser would have some sort of football role that Wickersham article came out saying with Bill being gone Glaser in Johnathan would be directly involved in football ops.

The more and more I think about it, it feels like Mayo might just be a bridge guy that is in place while Johnathan and his minions learn the ropes.

 

[XLIX]

One and done? No. But I wouldn't buy any real estate locally if I was him.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Oconnel has Darnold as a MVP candidate.

That won't last. The problem I see with Darnold is he has a hard time moving the ball unless the defense gives him really good field position.

 

[Bobby T]

I knew we were in trouble when I heard the third Thundercat reference last spring.

Vrabel was there. Former coach of the year. Competent. Should have gotten at least a look. He didn’t. In my opinion, which I realize no one cares about, he should have been hired. Kraft had already made the decision based on an informal meeting being organized five years ago. Same faulty logic that leads a billionaire to get a handy at a public strip mall.

The more I think about it the more I think RK simply got lucky with Bill.

Funny we knew the offense was screwed. Maye was the right pick. But some thought the defense would continue to over perform its talent level by getting rid of the guy primarily responsible for it over achieving for the better part of the last 20 years.

 

[203Pat]

I knew we were in trouble when I heard the third Thundercat reference last spring.

Vrabel was there. Former coach of the year. Competent. Should have gotten at least a look. He didn’t. In my opinion, which I realize no one cares about, he should have been hired. Kraft had already made the decision based on an informal meeting being organized five years ago. Same faulty logic that leads a billionaire to get a handy at a public strip mall.

The more I think about it the more I think RK simply got lucky with Bill.

Funny we knew the offense was screwed. Maye was the right pick. But some thought the defense would continue to over perform its talent level by getting rid of the guy primarily responsible for it over achieving for the better part of the last 20 years.

Kraft telling the story about him deciding years ago that Mayo would be the next head coach made me cringe because all I could think of was Steve Keim hiring Dave Wilks to be the Cardinals coach because he met him at the beach and was impressed with him.

 

[The Gr8est]

I knew we were in trouble when I heard the third Thundercat reference last spring.

Vrabel was there. Former coach of the year. Competent. Should have gotten at least a look. He didn’t. In my opinion, which I realize no one cares about, he should have been hired. Kraft had already made the decision based on an informal meeting being organized five years ago. Same faulty logic that leads a billionaire to get a handy at a public strip mall.

The more I think about it the more I think RK simply got lucky with Bill.

Funny we knew the offense was screwed. Maye was the right pick. But some thought the defense would continue to over perform its talent level by getting rid of the guy primarily responsible for it over achieving for the better part of the last 20 years.

My first thought is I would be happy if the Krafts sold the team.

I have had enough of them.

Of course, you COULD get an owner like Carolina has.

 

[Salsalife]

Wolfe goes first. Talent evaluation.....clueless. Need better scouts, would love to hear there evaluation of Oline draft...

 

[Brotherblues]

Unfortunately I am starting to feel like there may be some finger pointing starting to happen behind the scenes about who is at fault. Maybe I am reading into it too much but Mayo's "head coach of the offense" comment and his recent comments about needing to get the ball out quicker read to me like a subtle "don't look at me" when it comes to the offensive struggles. When things start going sideways people start getting protective and I have to assume there is some second guessing about the tackle position which would have fingers pointed at Wolfe too.

In reality I agree with most in this thread that AVP would likely be the first head to roll if changes are made but I just don't like that we were told Mayo is a "leader of men" type and now the men he's leading seem to be changing direction. Not saying I want him fired but I just wish he would present a more cohesive public perception with the staff as a whole instead of saying one thing and backtracking or saying something that could seem like finger pointing.

He's been calling AVP "Head Coach of the Offense" since camp, it's not something that started now. He was very open about peeking into offense meetings "just to learn." He's pretty much surrounded on all sides by HC of This, Right Hand of That, to the point that it's no wonder he has the time to talk for hours on end into any microphone near him.

Seriously, last time I saw Ian transcribing one of Mayo's interviews, I gave up after reading a couple of minites... And then had to spend another whole minute fast scrolling down just to see how long it was. I don't think Ian ever transcribed him in full again.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

It has been stated repeatedly on this Board that Wolf will be GM of the Year - 2024. Polk will be the find of the draft, Wallace will start at LT, Robinson will be All Pro at RG, Baker is our new deep threat, and on and on and on.

 

[203Pat]

He's been calling AVP "Head Coach of the Offense" since camp, it's not something that started now. He was very open about peeking into offense meetings "just to learn." He's pretty much surrounded on all sides by HC of This, Right Hand of That, to the point that it's no wonder he has the time to talk for hours on end into any microphone near him.

Seriously, last time I saw Ian transcribing one of Mayo's interviews, I gave up after reading a couple of minites... And then had to spend another whole minute fast scrolling down just to see how long it was. I don't think Ian ever transcribed him in full again.

Never thought I would say it after Bill but I agree Mayo talks too much. There has to be a happy medium between Bill grunting and snorting at the media and Mayo saying too much and stumbling around to find his words. I would say Mayo probably didn't get to pick his own staff but even if he was able to what difference would it have made. He played here exclusively for Bill and his assistants and then was a position coach here and then coached here exclusively under Bill. That was my biggest worry with Mayo. Who would he be able to get at OC with a rookie QB and no experience as a play caller on either side of the ball? My fears seem to have been realized after the lights came on after the dance and Van Pelt was the only one willing to take us home.

 

[Boomer B]

Mayo - he isn’t going anywhere. He does need to get control of the team though. Zo was talking yesterday how if you had multiple fumbles under Parcells you were benched. Then when Carroll came in you were just talked to about it. The players realized you could get away with stuff without punishment. That’s where Mayo is now. The ship is taking on water and he can’t let it sink. Kraft won’t fire him after 1 year though.

AVP - he may be the fall guy for this **** show, and it seems Mayo may not be completely on board with AVP. Could be 1 and done if things don’t improve.

Wolf - he’s the guy the light should be shining on. He was part of Bill’s team who put together this ****ty roster and he’s the guy who didn’t address the o-line when it was clear as day that it needs an overhaul. I was ok with the Mayo hire but didn’t see why we brought back the team who were part of the awful drafts the team has had. I don’t think the Krafts will fire him though, they’ll give him another year. His fate will be the same as Mayo’s if things don’t start to turn around next year.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Wolfe goes first. Talent evaluation.....clueless. Need better scouts, would love to hear there evaluation of Oline draft...

Anyone have examples where the GM gets fired, but the HC stays?

 

[203Pat]

Anyone have examples where the GM gets fired, but the HC stays?

Jon Robinson got canned and Vrabel stayed a couple years ago.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Jon Robinson got canned and Vrabel stayed a couple years ago.

I'm guessing because of the AJ Brown fiasco. Aside from that, he brought in some talent. He was one of my choices for GM.

 

[festy1986]

New coach and GM (not to mention new QB), new rebuild.

You need to prove your better than the last team. Not worse. Bill had the leash due to his success. What does Mayo have?

 

[festy1986]

Not with Mayo as HC.

No way in hell.

Then your rebuild is going to be way longer than 3 years.

Mayo is out of his depth.

 

[oldrover]

I read the headline:

Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?​

I was gonna go crazy!

Until I realized it read Mayo…

…not Maye. LOL