Damien Woody's take on Maye timetable - its correct.

[Force Zero Boomer]

That is a Brissett issue not an OL issue.

I understand this data doesn't go along with the talking point and why people want to dismiss it, but it's an accurate measure of how much time QBs have before pressure.

It's not useful and does not accurately characterize the state of the OL. I've explained it you already.

 

[XLIX]

I don’t trust Wolf to fix the line.

Neither do I. So that begs the question of the people who don't want to risk Maye of what the plan is if the o-line still sucks next year... sit Maye again?

The final part of this equation is Mayes readiness. The “start Maye now” crowd have zero clue if he’s actually ready, they’re just impatient and didn’t want Brissett to start in week one.

You don't draft a project at #3, you draft a starter. If he's not NFL ready, then they shouldn't have take him #3 overall.

 

[Real fan 02]

the number of young QBs who had their development ******ed, stunted, or completely shut off by being rushed to the field with an incomplete team is a long one

i think the best example is Darnold - after being completely broken into seeing ghosts, he is looking like he i a competent, mid-level NFL QB.......not saying he would have been anything more than that, but a different path wouldn't have taken him 6 years to get here

When rookies come in the league it's a long process they endure that leads them up to become a starting QB.. in most organizations that can support a rookie QB if that rookie beats out the other QB then typically they get the starting job.
Drake won the starting job but our organization doesn't have the line to support him right now. That is the only reason Drake wasn't starting. I firmly believe this is the sole reason.

 

[Wozzy]

Neither do I. So that begs the question of the people who don't want to risk Maye of what the plan is if the o-line still sucks next year... sit Maye again?

The OLine could be good enough to start Maye this season, maybe next week. Jacobs and Wallace don’t have to be amazing. They could be the offensive tackle equivalent of Jacoby Brissett and be competent. They could still use the TE’s to help out the edges.

You don't draft a project at #3, you draft a starter. If he's not NFL ready, then they shouldn't have take him #3 overall.

He was 21, you take a developmental project with massive upside for the “massive” part. Develop him, that happens in practice.

 

[XLIX]

The OLine could be good enough to start Maye this season, maybe next week. Jacobs and Wallace don’t have to be amazing. They could be the offensive tackle equivalent of Jacoby Brissett and be competent. They could still use the TE’s to help out the edges.

He was 21, you take a developmental project with massive upside for the “massive” part. Develop him, that happens in practice.

Yeah, everyone's got "massive upside" on draft night.....

If he wasn't NFL ready, they shouldn't have taken him #3 overall.

 

[XLIX]

When rookies come in the league it's a long process they endure that leads them up to become a starting QB..

Not when they are drafted this high. The vast majority of top 5 overall draft pick QB's over the past quarter century were starting week 1 - including the 2 guys drafted this year right next to Maye.

In fact, I can't find a single QB other than Trey Lance who was drafted top 5 and didn't see significant playing time their rookie season.

Drake won the starting job but our organization doesn't have the line to support him right now. That is the only reason Drake wasn't starting. I firmly believe this is the sole reason.

This is the question I asked earlier: And what if the o-line still sucks next year? Keep Maye on the bench in bubble wrap and tissue paper like we had him this past month?

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Not when they are drafted this high. The vast majority of top 5 overall draft pick QB's over the past quarter century were starting week 1 - including the 2 guys drafted this year right next to Maye.

In fact, I can't find a single QB other than Trey Lance who was drafted top 5 and didn't see significant playing time their rookie season.

This is the question I asked earlier: And what if the o-line still sucks next year? Keep Maye on the bench in bubble wrap and tissue paper like we had him this past month?

Of course not but the experience he gets this year from watching and learning and the times he gets in there, he'll be better able to handle the bad O-line.

 

[XLIX]

Of course not but the experience he gets this year from watching and learning and the times he gets in there, he'll be better able to handle the bad O-line.

Watching and learning is not experience. He isn’t going to magically improve by holding a clipboard and taking 30% of practice reps.

Football players play football.

 

[Real fan 02]

Oh

Not when they are drafted this high. The vast majority of top 5 overall draft pick QB's over the past quarter century were starting week 1 - including the 2 guys drafted this year right next to Maye.

In fact, I can't find a single QB other than Trey Lance who was drafted top 5 and didn't see significant playing time their rookie season.

This is the question I asked earlier: And what if the o-line still sucks next year? Keep Maye on the bench in bubble wrap and tissue paper like we had him this past month?

Oh I highly agree with you. That's why I was eluding to in my post that whenever a rookie QB starts it's a process that goes into it.. so the other teams with rookies rewarded thier QBs who played well and earned the job just like Drake did. However our Organization saw how bad our OL is and chose to sit Drake. I didn't like it.. as I felt that Drake is the only solvent for the issues on the line. There is no game planning a DC has to do for Brissett or anything exotic they have to do to confuse the line.. just rush 4 is the formula.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Watching and learning is not experience. He isn’t going to magically improve by holding a clipboard and taking 30% of practice reps.

Football players play football.

You don't think watching film and practicing will help better read a defense? I want to see him too, just want him to be ready when he gets out there.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

They probably also saw the Young situation in Carolina too. Didn't want to repeat that mistake.

They probably saw the Williams situation in Washington and want to duplicate that success.

 

[Wozzy]

Yeah, everyone's got "massive upside" on draft night.....

If he wasn't NFL ready, they shouldn't have taken him #3 overall.

He was 21 years old… he was taken for his tremendous upside.

“If he wasn’t ready” to start is a silly metric, in 2021 Mac was the most pro ready QB available on his draft class. No rookie is ready until he is, you’re just an impatient fan.

 

[Rob0729]

Looks like we are weeks or longer off from Maye playing. I am totally ok with that.

 

[condon84]

It's not useful and does not accurately characterize the state of the OL. I've explained it you already.

You realize this post was made days before you replied to my first post right?

And regarding your reply, yeah statistics aren't for you.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

You realize this post was made days before you replied to my first post right?

And regarding your reply, yeah statistics aren't for you.

Yes, I did notice that now. Thanks for pointing it out.

Since you are so confident that statistics aren't my thing, refute one of the points I made. Just one. It should be easy for you, but I'm guessing you'll go dark or insult me again. Which will it be? Will you step up to the plate, or run? I'll be here all day (more or less), but I know you're going to run.

 

[Wozzy]

You don't think watching film and practicing will help better read a defense? I want to see him too, just want him to be ready when he gets out there.

People here think they can rewrite a hundred years of football history and precedence because they’re too impatient to wait.

For decades the method was to wait for rookies to earn their way, prove they belong in practice before they stepped foot on the field. The thing that has changed in recent years beyond rookie contracts was the unstable nature of front office job security and mishandling by teams to rush a quarterback out there whether he’s ready or not. For decades the opposite was true, you waited until it was undeniable the rookie was ready.

People have short attention spans and GM’s and head coaches are afraid to lose their jobs. Once you start listening to fans, it won’t be long before you’re sitting down in the stands with them.

 

[Pats2000]

Absolute BS! I guess you enjoy watching Brissett misery loves company.

Do you think Brady is an idiot? Because he did an interview where he stated that rookie QB's should not play right away. There is too much to learn and that the Pats were making the right decision with Maye

 

[Rob0729]

Not when they are drafted this high. The vast majority of top 5 overall draft pick QB's over the past quarter century were starting week 1 - including the 2 guys drafted this year right next to Maye.

In fact, I can't find a single QB other than Trey Lance who was drafted top 5 and didn't see significant playing time their rookie season.

This is the question I asked earlier: And what if the o-line still sucks next year? Keep Maye on the bench in bubble wrap and tissue paper like we had him this past month?

A vast majority of QBs drafted in the top 5 have been disappointments to outright busts. How many of them wouldn't have been if they didn't start right away. I mean look at Bryce Young. His career in Carolina is probably over and happened after week 2 of his second season. The number one overall pick from last year. Anthony Richardson looks to be not all that far behind Young at this point.

In 2021, three players were drafted in the top 3. Two of them are outright busts and may never see the field again. And one is a major disappointment and stinking up the joint in Jacksonville.

In 2020, it was a good year with Burrow and Tua, but if McDaniel and Tyreek Hill didn't go to Miami, Tua could have been thrown on the scrap heap.

In 2019, Kyler Murray has been a disappointment.

In 2018, you had Mayfield and Darnold who had to bounce around the league before becoming good QBs with other teams than the ones that drafted them.

In 2017, Mitch Trubisky. Do I need to say more?

2016 wasn't bad with Goff and Wentz although neither guy lasted with the teams that drafted them.

In 2015, Jaemis Winston and Marcus Mariotta both developed into downright mediocre QBs.

In 2014, you have future HOFer, Blake Bortles, no complaints with his development.

2012 worked with Luck, but RGIII starting was a disaster for reasons beyond his talent and development.

Cam Newton was a success in 2011.

2010 had Sam Bradford who was a disappointment.

2009 had Stafford (a success) and Sanchez (a disappointment)

In 2008, you had Matt Ryan who was ok to start but took a while to be good.

In 2007, JaMarcus Russell actually sat all of his rookie season until the final game. He ate his way out of the league by 2010 though.

In 2006, you had Vince Young who was a disappointment.

In 2005, you had Alex Smith. Decent. Good in the right situation.

In 2004, you had Eli Manning and Philip Rivers. Rivers sat the entire first season and only played in mop up duty in a few games.

In 2003, Carson Palmer sat his entire rookie season.

In 2002, you had David Carr and Joey Harrington. I didn't care enough to see if they started right away. Both sucked.

In 2001, you had Michel Vick who I think started right away.

In 2000, no one in the top 5.

 

[Pats2000]

The Chiefs have had all kinds of OL trouble. Why the Chiefs' offensive line has been struggling in recent weeks

Last year they only won the Super Bowl. This season the problems continue, but KC is 3 - 0. Take a guess why?

The officials have a hard on for handing the Chiefs games with terrible calls/non calls

 

[XLIX]

You don't think watching film and practicing will help better read a defense?

Not significantly.

I want to see him too, just want him to be ready when he gets out there.

If he wasn't ready, they shouldn't have drafted him #3 overall. You don't draft projects at #3, you drift immediate impact starters.