Damien Woody's take on Maye timetable - its correct.

[Huckleberry1]

Absolute BS! I guess you enjoy watching Brissett misery loves company.

I guess you subscribe to the New York Jets School of Quarterback Development. Throw the rookie out there just to make your fans happy you did, then blame them for you not putting an offense around them that could succeed at an NFL level. Or, as Drew Bledsoe called it, the Throw the Virgin Into the Volcano Method.

 

[Ross12]

Not if you realize that they don’t want to put him out there behind that OL. Right now there isn’t a QB in football who could succeed behind that line. The QB is running for their life the moment the ball is snapped, and putting your QB of the future out there will only damage them long term. They already know that Maye is better, and they should keep him on the bench until they can fix the line, if that takes until next season so be it.

But OP’s point is that it’s not about the OL at all, which is why I was posting

 

[Triumph]

No. Brandon Moore. Needed therapy after it.

Nevertheless, competent QBs save your OL from the psychiatrist office.

Mankins played 2 seasons in Tampa and was done. The only NE OL to land in a championship environment elsewhere is Thuney.

 

[Clonamery]

But OP’s point is that it’s not about the OL at all, which is why I was posting

IMHO, Mayeo has no input on when Maye playes as the starter. FO will decide and there will be game plan built. So-so & Lo-lo are almost ready to play and that maye have something to do with it. Mayebe knot. Until it does happen, I don't want to sound like a whiny biatch when Maye doesn't playe.

 

[Triumph]

The interior was usually strong, it was the Tackles that really stood out as a glaring weakness. Sebastian Vollmer was their best T during the dynasty era.

Thuney went to the best situation in KC.

Same as KC. Their OTs are turnstiles, but Mahomes is quick processing the play and getting the ball out.

Plus, Defenses fear Mahomes because of his arm.

 

[PatsFan2]

I guess you subscribe to the New York Jets School of Quarterback Development. Throw the rookie out there just to make your fans happy you did, then blame them for you not putting an offense around them that could succeed at an NFL level. Or, as Drew Bledsoe called it, the Throw the Virgin Into the Volcano Method.

The Rookie HC said he outplayed the Vet not my words his.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Damien Woody said the pats will start Maye once they feel he's ready to handle their offense and NFL QB play. The offensive line is not the driving factor. If he's ready and better than Brissett, then he'll be in. So many in the media decided the o-line was the driving factor and they got that from.... themselves.... like so many other things they contrive for some sort of drama angle.

A lineman defends the OL. Not surprising. Woody never played on an atrocious OL. He also never coached in the NFL or college. His opinion probably gets a bit more weight since he played his position at an exceptional level in the NFL, but I don't see him as a strategic thinker regarding the QB position (both developmentally and risk assessment).

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I don't think the OL is the main issue. But some people still say, "He can learn more by playing." And that's where I think the OL argument comes up. Maybe he could learn more. He could also get ruined by this oline. So why don't we let him develop and let Brissett take the hits until Maye is ready?

Interesting take. You might be the first person here to say, "Sure the OL is an issue, but maybe it's not the main one."

"But he's better than Brissett!"

That's not a high bar to hurdle. Future Super Bowl Champion Bailey Zappe might be better than Brissett.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Yeah I do recall all those comments. My interpretation was more that he was ready and played better than Brissett but that he still had more to learn and work on before they determined him better than Jacoby's entire body of work.

So Maye doesn't have Brissett's glorious track record. I dunno. That's a hard sell, especially in a league when even a couple of abysmal starts or an injury can get you pulled for the rookie or 1-year guy. Then if he puts it together for a game or more, he's the starter. It happens all the time in the NFL. Setting aside the play of the OL (which one has to do to isolate this aspect of the debate), if he's ready and better, he should play.

 

[Wozzy]

Maye got sacked twice in 8 pass attempts.

Suggesting a QB can make a horrible offensive line look good is foolish. Brady and Mahomes looked like crap behind bad lines, but Maye will be different… sounds legit.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Interesting take. You might be the first person here to say, "Sure the OL is an issue, but maybe it's not the main one."

"But he's better than Brissett!"

That's not a high bar to hurdle. Future Super Bowl Champion Bailey Zappe might be better than Brissett.

Yeah, I don't think the OL was ever the main issue, just a secondary one. If Maye was ready day 1, I think they probably would have started him, no matter who was in the line. But Wolf said from about the draft that they thought it's better for a rookie QB to sit for a while for the rookie's development and that was the team's preference. They signed Brissett to be a fill-in until Maye was ready to take over, but that's not necessarily at the point where Maye is better than Brissett. Nobody from the team ever said the line isn't good enough t protect Maye. I don't think the team necessarily thinks that way.

The oline thing is more fan and media driven, saying this line sucks and let Brissett take the hits. The fact that he is taking a lot of hits sort of backs up that fan theory, though.

 

[Huckleberry1]

But OP’s point is that it’s not about the OL at all, which is why I was posting

I think Woody is dead wrong.

 

[Ross12]

I guess I just have a hard time grasping the concept that Maye would be "ruined" by taking hits. If he was coming from a cushy college setup like Mac Jones was, where he had an all-star OL and was rarely touched, I might understand. But the dude had a ****-tier OL in college last year and was getting rocked constantly. He knows how to take a hit.

If anything, I'd be more worried that keeping him from taking those hits for too long will make things worse; he'll start to lose his fearlessness. Imagine if your brother punched you in the arm every day and after a while it didn't bug you, but then he stopped for a year. Then he started again. I bet it'd hurt a lot more than you remember.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The Rookie HC said he outplayed the Vet not my words his.

You are one of those insisting Maye play, and from your posts it sure sounds like it’s because you aren’t enjoying the games. I don’t care about that. The worst thing any franchise can do is listen to the fans, that’s what teams like the Jets have been doing for years, and that’s why they haven’t developed a Quarterback in decades and decades. The Patriots drafted Maye for the long run, not 2024, and they should stick to the plan and ignore the shrieking and crying from the fans.

 

[Clonamery]

I guess I just have a hard time grasping the concept that Maye would be "ruined" by taking hits. If he was coming from a cushy college setup like Mac Jones was, where he had an all-star OL and was rarely touched, I might understand. But the dude had a ****-tier OL in college last year and was getting rocked constantly. He knows how to take a hit.

If anything, I'd be more worried that keeping him from taking those hits for too long will make things worse; he'll start to lose his fearlessness. Imagine if your brother punched you in the arm every day and after a while it didn't bug you, but then he stopped for a year. Then he started again. I bet it'd hurt a lot more than you remember.

When was Garoppolo's first injury?

 

[Huckleberry1]

I guess I just have a hard time grasping the concept that Maye would be "ruined" by taking hits. If he was coming from a cushy college setup like Mac Jones was, where he had an all-star OL and was rarely touched, I might understand. But the dude had a ****-tier OL in college last year and was getting rocked constantly. He knows how to take a hit.

If anything, I'd be more worried that keeping him from taking those hits for too long will make things worse; he'll start to lose his fearlessness. Imagine if your brother punched you in the arm every day and after a while it didn't bug you, but then he stopped for a year. Then he started again. I bet it'd hurt a lot more than you remember.

I think it’s more than that. I think Maye had mechanical areas he needed to address coming into the league, and I believe they have been working with him on those areas. The worst thing you can do to a young QB who is trying to change those things is to put him into heavy pressure, where he is likely to revert to the techniques they are trying to change.

The bottom line for me Ross is that people are way too impatient. We all knew that this is a multi year rebuild, but some fans can only handle instant gratitude, and imo the franchise should completely ignore them and follow their plan. If some fans can’t handle that there are 31 other teams they can go root for.

 

[Ross12]

When was Garoppolo's first injury?

Not sure how that's relevant. If anything it helps my point? Jimmy didn't really play his first 2 years (31 total pass attempts in 2014 and 2015 combined), then immediately got hurt when he finally saw starting action in his 3rd year.

Regardless, Jimmy and Drake are not the same person, so can't really apply the same logic.

 

[Huckleberry1]

When was Garoppolo's first injury?

Since it never ended it’s hard to discern between them.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Not sure how that's relevant. If anything it helps my point? Jimmy didn't really play his first 2 years (31 total pass attempts in 2014 and 2015 combined), then immediately got hurt when he finally saw starting action in his 3rd year.

Good guy, but one of the most fragile QB’s I have ever witnessed.

 

[PatsFan2]

You are one of those insisting Maye lay, and from your posts it sure sounds like it’s because you aren’t enjoying the games. I don’t care about that. The worst thing any franchise can do is listen to the fans, that’s what teams like the Jets have been doing for years, and that’s why they haven’t developed a Quarterback in decades and decades. The Patriots drafted Maye for the long run, not 2024, and they should stick to the plan and ignore the shrieking and crying from the fans.

Their Plan Sucks he's listed as the #2 QB when Brissett goes down which is inevitable what will they do?? You agree with the "Sit Him for a Year Plan" to sit him for a year where's the Vet QB to take over when Brissett goes down?? Obviously Playing him now in this scenario goes against everything you believe you can't have it both ways. When Brissett goes down what are you going to say?? Maye earned the right to play I would hate to put words in your mouth.