Are the WRs actually getting open?

[Zuma]

God he sucked, I have no idea how he even made the practice squad.

Probably due to his return ability. Guys like that are a dime a dozen anyway.

 

[Ross12]

Probably due to his return ability. Guys like that are a dime a dozen anyway.

He was a solid returner, and you could do worse for a 6th receiver. But yeah, the ego doesn’t make much sense. He didn’t work out in Philly or Minnesota so not sure where it comes from.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah that literally is the definition of wide open in the NFL, period. Especially on a short route like a crosser. Polk has a full step on his man and that's as open as you're going to get in the NFL outside of busted coverage.




Nice.. trying to make Williams out to be some sort of a threat, but no. He is nowhere near being able to break up the play. If that ball had more zip on it and was targeted, Polk has an easy catch.

Brissett is running for his life, are you suggesting he throw back across his body into the middle of the field instead if to the iron man in front of him?

 

[KCSVEN]

It's a bo

Brissett is running for his life, are you suggesting he throw back across his body into the middle of the field instead if to the iron man in front of him?

It was a called PA bootleg, he's not running for his life, the play is designed that way, you suck in the end with PA, the more they bite the better but you expect they then go to the QB, but the pass is made before he can get any pressure, he is not expected to throw it in the middle across his body, he waits and throws it like he did, just was terribly inaccurate, which is a problem Jacoby has had. It's an easy throw, I think Brissett would even say he missed an easy one. This is a staple of AVP offense, he should make that throw and complete it.

 

[Jim Beankie]

So you think he made those decisions instead of other ones because he just felt he could do whatever he wanted so he didn’t bother trying to make the best decision?

1) So you think if he wasn’t wrapped up in being in love with himself he would have used a bunch of 1sts and 2nds on the OL, even though he didn’t when he was nobody?
2) So he had experienced great OL coaches out there but says I’m BB watch me not hire one. Of course he must have had hubris his whole career because that is what he always did. And the guy who replaced Scar the first time was experienced, then saving one trained under scar.
3) It’s incredible that when he stayed many times that good cus he’s are good coaches and can coach different positions, and did it throughout his career tgat this time it was hubris.

So your opinion is Bill Belichickks approach to running a football team was “I can do whatever I want and it will magically work out” not situational football, do your job, team comes first, sound fundamentals, all 3 phases, etc etc.

I guess you have been drinking

Oh man... you may have been drinking more than I have... Didn't know the relatively innocuous word Hubris was going to be so... triggering...

1) Maybe draft an OL above the 6th round in 3 years that didn't play in the FCS.
2) and 3) BB is the GOAT - I consider that with GM and HC, and imho, there is absolutely no doubt, but the greatest can fall to hubris, and that's what happened at the very end when Rome ended up burning. Nice to know you think an asst running backs coach and a 1 year NFL "coaching assistant" with a couple years of FCS OL coach stint previously is "experienced." That isn't to say that RKK didn't greatly fall to hubris as well. It's what happens. It's a tale as old as time.

I have to wonder if you have great ties to the old regime. You'd been fiercely loyal - to which I admire as I have been a staunch BB defender who absolutely wanted him back this year at least as a HC - but you've have been extremely critical of the new regime which is interesting.

 

[Ring 6]

It's a bo

It was a called PA bootleg, he's not running for his life, the play is designed that way, you suck in the end with PA, the more they bite the better but you expect they then go to the QB, but the pass is made before he can get any pressure, he is not expected to throw it in the middle across his body, he waits and throws it like he did, just was terribly inaccurate, which is a problem Jacoby has had. It's an easy throw, I think Brissett would even say he missed an easy one. This is a staple of AVP offense, he should make that throw and complete it.

You can’t tell that from a still shot. It may be a different play i am referring to but can’t tell from a still shot.

 

[Ring 6]

Oh man... you may have been drinking more than I have... Didn't know the relatively innocuous word Hubris was going to be so... triggering...

1) Maybe draft an OL above the 6th round in 3 years that didn't play in the FCS.
2) and 3) BB is the GOAT - I consider that with GM and HC, and imho, there is absolutely no doubt, but the greatest can fall to hubris, and that's what happened at the very end when Rome ended up burning. Nice to know you think an asst running backs coach and a 1 year NFL "coaching assistant" with a couple years of FCS OL coach stint previously is "experienced." That isn't to say that RKK didn't greatly fall to hubris as well. It's what happens. It's a tale as old as time.

I have to wonder if you have great ties to the old regime. You'd been fiercely loyal - to which I admire as I have been a staunch BB defender who absolutely wanted him back this year at least as a HC - but you've have been extremely critical of the new regime which is interesting.

It’s not an innocuous word. It concludes ego is the driving force.

You seem to not know who the first replacement was.

My loyalty is to the success I was afforded as a fan, and to calling out bs.

 

[Jim Beankie]

It’s not an innocuous word. It concludes ego is the driving force.

You seem to not know who the first replacement was.

My loyalty is to the success I was afforded as a fan, and to calling out bs.

Apologies if I missed the replacement as Bric or Popo. Was there someone else? That's whom I described (except to my mistake "couple" should've been 9 years so mea culpa... at an FCS school though).

You don't think ego was the driving force of the Patricia decision? If you don't think so... Can't really say anything to that then...

 

[Ring 6]

Apologies if I missed the replacement as Bric or Popo. Was there someone else? That's whom I described (except to my mistake "couple" should've been 9 years so mea culpa... at an FCS school though).

You don't think ego was the driving force of the Patricia decision? If you don't think so... Can't really say anything to that then...

The first replacement was deguglielmi

If you think that trusting a coach who has worked for you for many years successfully to fill in when you have an opening is ego, I’m not sure what to tell you. Coaches consistently rely upon people they have a relationship and trust.

 

[Jim Beankie]

The first replacement was deguglielmi

If you think that trusting a coach who has worked for you for many years successfully to fill in when you have an opening is ego, I’m not sure what to tell you. Coaches consistently rely upon people they have a relationship and trust.

Thanks - Oh that guy - yeah he had a ton of experience compared to the OL coaches closer to the end of BB's tenure when he decided he didn't need people with any NFL OL coach experience even as an assistant. Wish they got someone like that 2020 on.

I was all for the Patricia hire as I had your same line of thinking... until it was clear from many outspoken Patriots that he didn't know what the heck he was doing even as early as training camp, and then BB had the audacity later down the line to say that it was "too hard" to change it - would BB accept that answer from any member of his team? Verbatim "It's too hard?" Would love to get a new TV series The Dynasty Two: The Hoodie Strikes Back, as I'd like to know what the heck went down at the end there.

Random stats that aren't really related to our discaussion: Pts per drive
2018: 2.27
2019: 1.97
2020: 1.92
2021: 2.54
2022: 1.63
2023: 1.10

 

[Ring 6]

Thanks - Oh that guy - yeah he had a ton of experience compared to the OL coaches closer to the end of BB's tenure when he decided he didn't need people with any NFL OL coach experience even as an assistant. Wish they got someone like that 2020 on.

I was all for the Patricia hire as I had your same line of thinking... until it was clear from many outspoken Patriots that he didn't know what the heck he was doing even as early as training camp, and then BB had the audacity later down the line to say that it was "too hard" to change it - would BB accept that answer from any member of his team? Verbatim "It's too hard?" Would love to get a new TV series The Dynasty Two: The Hoodie Strikes Back, as I'd like to know what the heck went down at the end there.

Random stats that aren't really related to our discaussion: Pts per drive
2018: 2.27
2019: 1.97
2020: 1.92
2021: 2.54
2022: 1.63
2023: 1.10

So now we are taking random quotes and making up their meaning?

 

[Jim Beankie]

So now we are taking random quotes and making up their meaning?

If it makes you feel better that it was a random quote that didn't have to do with Patricia, then by all means do so.

Thanks by the way. I was hoping to get to 5k posts this season, and this is helping!

 

[BennyBledsoe]

You start by constantly feeding guys into the OL system. OL isn't hard to predict some degree of turnover. Guys reaching end of contracts, guys getting too injured, too old. That's why I wanted them to draft top OL prospects year after year.

 

[KCSVEN]

I reviewed the whole game play by play multiple times

You can’t tell that from a still shot. It may be a different play i am referring to but can’t tell from a still shot.

I reviewed the entire game multiple times, I know the play. 100%

 

[Wozzy]

Yeah that literally is the definition of wide open in the NFL, period. Especially on a short route like a crosser. Polk has a full step on his man and that's as open as you're going to get in the NFL outside of busted coverage.




Nice.. trying to make Williams out to be some sort of a threat, but no. He is nowhere near being able to break up the play. If that ball had more zip on it and was targeted, Polk has an easy catch.

You're pretending the view from 100 feet up in the air or the angle of trajectory from where Brissett is standing is the same. The ball has to travel in a straight line and defensive players have arms. It's a ridiculous take.

 

[Thelonious]

You're pretending the view from 100 feet up in the air or the angle of trajectory from where Brissett is standing is the same. The ball has to travel in a straight line and defensive players have arms. It's a ridiculous take.

LOL. Barring some method of abrogating the laws of gravity, no ball will travel in a straight line unless it be aimed straight up, and even then I would not expect perfection, wind being fickle.

Your point re defensive players' having arms is sound. Even soccer players have arms, though they may only use them to cover their faces when they fall down and get weepy.

 

[Ring 6]

I reviewed the whole game play by play multiple times

I reviewed the entire game multiple times, I know the play. 100%

Then post a clip so we can discuss it.

 

[archstanton543]

LOL. Barring some method of abrogating the laws of gravity, no ball will travel in a straight line unless it be aimed straight up, and even then I would not expect perfection, wind being fickle.

Your point re defensive players' having arms is sound. Even soccer players have arms, though they may only use them to cover their faces when they fall down and get weepy.

Our QB gets weepy before starting a regular season hame.

 

[KCSVEN]

Then post a clip so we can discuss it.

It's 4:35 to go in the 2nd quarter, ball on the 24 yard line

 

[Real fan 02]

His grass needs a bit of water

The car is worth more than the house!