Does Kraft belong in the NFL hall of fame

[Water Boy]

No. Everyone down to the kindergarten level who even held a football deserves a trophy for participation, Kraft included, but rewarding overachievers with a special "hall of fame" status is exclusive and rooted in toxic masculinity.

 

[Brady Lady Jana]

No. Bob Kraft does not belong in the HOF. An owner? No.

 

[borg]

Yes of course he does.

His work on the media committee alone justifies enshrinement. He made billionaires out of millionaires.

1) Do all these media committee members deserve enshrinement or just those who lobby for it?
2) Has the HOF been repurposed so visitors can celebrate owners' wealth?

 

[Pape]

1) Do all these media committee members deserve enshrinement or just those who lobby for it?
2) Has the HOF been repurposed so visitors can celebrate owners' wealth?

If the results merit it, they should be at the very least considered.

The league’s media rights contracts with ESPN, Fox, CBS, NBC, Amazon and YouTube represent the bulk of the equally shared revenue. Last season kicked off the latest round of deals that are worth at least $125 billion over 11 years.

If you are the one steering the ship, I'd say those types of results merit it, no?

NFL 2023 National Revenue Hit $13 Billion, $400 Million-Plus Per Team

The national payout is up 115% over the past decade and should rise at a similar rate over the next decade to more than $800 million per team.

www.sportico.com

the hof is independent of the league... they allow contributors in... enshrinement is about what for contributors? those that are instrumental to the growth of the league... hows that been going over the last 30 years? Based on that article, with each team being worth over 4 billion dollars, I'd say pretty good, no?

Its one aspect of his resume that warrants enshrinement. First and foremost is the stability and prosperity he's brought to this team. Wasn't really all that long ago that the New England Patriots were candidates to move to either Jacksonville or St Louis. Then his work to grow the league. Then there is his philanthropy.

So hell yes he belongs in the NFL Hall of Fame.

 

[Pape]

No. Bob Kraft does not belong in the HOF. An owner? No.

so, rescind the enshrinement of the owners who are already in?

 

[ScottishPatriots]

If Kraft is a HOFer that means Clark Hunt is a hall of famer, they both hired a great coach who drafted a great QB and then sat back and piled up the championships and watched their franchise value go thru the roof.

Owners don't win championships, Jerry Jones is involved in football operations and openly admits he controls things and always will Kraft wants to say he isn't involved in football operations when things go bad but then the other side of his mouth he wants credit for the championships.

Jerry owns who he is, Kraft wants all the credit for the good and none of the blame for the bad.

Owners can't be judged purely by championships like players/coaches, it's more how they impacted the game and that is much more subjective.

 

[Ring 6]

I don’t think any owners belong in the HOF

 

[Brady Lady Jana]

so, rescind the enshrinement of the owners who are already in?

We know that's not going to happen. The toothpaste is out of the tube. So Kraft will be in the HOF.

The question was does Kraft belong in the HOF. Like @Ring 6 said, no owner belongs.

 

[1960Pats]

'Winners write history': Inside Robert Kraft's 12-year Hall of Fame quest

Patriots owner Robert Kraft has an $11 billion empire and six Super Bowl rings but no Hall of Fame jacket.

www.espn.com

I'd say for sure. I wonder though what's keeping him out. Petty jealousies between owners or the NFL writers.

Bob and Bill are in a race to get to the HOF and if one gets in and the other doesn't then something's up. If I'm Bob I'm hoping that Jeff Saturday becomes my campaign manager.

When it comes to recognition, I feel like certain teams get special treatment from the NYFL and the Pats aren't one of those. But Bob and Bill are clearly locks anyway.

 

[Pape]

We know that's not going to happen. The toothpaste is out of the tube. So Kraft will be in the HOF.

The question was does Kraft belong in the HOF. Like @Ring 6 said, no owner belongs.

andy said that, did he? lol, well there you go - all the more proof that they do indeed belong in the HoF.

 

[Brady Lady Jana]

andy said that, did he? lol, well there you go - all the more proof that they do indeed belong in the HoF.

Yes, making a lot of money and buying an asset is impressive. I would rather see actual football talent in the HOF. But that's just me.

I am assuming Ring6 is Andy? I am also assuming the way you referred to him that he is someone to mock. I'll judge him by what he wrote.

 

[Clonamery]

Bob and Bill are in a race to get to the HOF and if one gets in and the other doesn't then something's up. If I'm Bob I'm hoping that Jeff Saturday becomes my campaign manager.

When it comes to recognition, I feel like certain teams get special treatment from the NYFL and the Pats aren't one of those. But Bob and Bill are clearly locks anyway.

 

[Pape]

Yes, making a lot of money and buying an asset is impressive. I would rather see actual football talent in the HOF. But that's just me.

I am assuming Ring6 is Andy? I am also assuming the way you referred to him that he is someone to mock. I'll judge him by what he wrote.

When it comes to Football Contributors, the focus is, or should be if you will, on what have they done to better the game. what has made an impact. Who is responsible. That has come hand in hand with increased revenues, but its not always about just money. Krafts steadying influence on this franchise alone makes him worthy of the distinction of enshrinement. Now add everything else he's done, I don't see a reason why he shouldn't he in.

Why are contributors nominated and enshrined? Because the game is more than what happens on the field.

and yes, ring6, aka andyjohnson.

You go right ahead and judge him by what he writes. That will work out well, right up to the point you disagree with him on something. Then Captain Lastword will show you his mettle... so yes, I do did indeed mock him. Funny enough, he's the only one here who merits that distinction.

 

[Triumph]

No. Everyone down to the kindergarten level who even held a football deserves a trophy for participation, Kraft included, but rewarding overachievers with a special "hall of fame" status is exclusive and rooted in toxic masculinity.

There are accolades for every profession and calling in life.

Mother Theresa and Ghandi, Emmys, Tonys, Nobel Laureates, Olympic medals, Lincoln memorial, Lombardi trophy, M1 - Abrams tank. Art museums are filled with Monet's, Picasso's, Rothko's, and Andy Warhol's in honor of their work. No matter how low the bar set, there will always be people who strive for greatness.

 

[Triumph]

Bob and Bill are in a race to get to the HOF and if one gets in and the other doesn't then something's up. If I'm Bob I'm hoping that Jeff Saturday becomes my campaign manager.

When it comes to recognition, I feel like certain teams get special treatment from the NYFL and the Pats aren't one of those. But Bob and Bill are clearly locks anyway.

BB has recently stated that he wants to HC again in 2025.

He will have an NFL job next season so its going to be some time before BB gets in.

 

[Brady Lady Jana]

When it comes to Football Contributors, the focus is, or should be if you will, on what have they done to better the game. what has made an impact. Who is responsible. That has come hand in hand with increased revenues, but its not always about just money. Krafts steadying influence on this franchise alone makes him worthy of the distinction of enshrinement. Now add everything else he's done, I don't see a reason why he shouldn't he in.

Why are contributors nominated and enshrined? Because the game is more than what happens on the field.

and yes, ring6, fka andyjohnson.

You go right ahead and judge him by what he writes. That will work out well, right up to the point you disagree with him on something. Then Captain Lastword will show you his mettle... so yes, I do did indeed mock him. Funny enough, he's the only one here who merits that distinction.

Interesting. I will judge Ring6 as he treats me rather than join a mean girls clique.

As for contributors, I am fine with that in theory. None of the modern owners have contributed positively to the game. Jerry Jones and Bob going into the HOF is essentially a self-congratulatory award. Bob Kraft in the HOF with Brady and Belichick is laughable. He is not an equal member of the Dynasty trinity. Not even close.

 

[p8ryts]

BB has recently stated that he wants to HC again in 2025.

He will have an NFL job next season so its going to be some time before BB gets in.

He knows he is guaranteed HOF at some point. He has another mission now. The record and rehabilitation.

 

[borg]

Any owner who voted for this new kickoff atrocity should automatically be excluded from HOF consideration for life.

 

[jmt57]

When it comes to recognition, I feel like certain teams get special treatment from the NYFL and the Pats aren't one of those. But Bob and Bill are clearly locks anyway.

The fact that Ron Borgers 'represents' the New England Patriots on the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection committee surely has something to do with the Pats under-count in the Hall, especially considering the team's dominance in the 21st century.

 

[Pape]

Interesting. I will judge Ring6 as he treats me rather than join a mean girls clique.

As for contributors, I am fine with that in theory. None of the modern owners have contributed positively to the game. Jerry Jones and Bob going into the HOF is essentially a self-congratulatory award. Bob Kraft in the HOF with Brady and Belichick is laughable. He is not an equal member of the Dynasty trinity. Not even close.

You couldn't be more wrong.

He's more than an equal partner. Without Robert Kraft, nothing would have been won. You'd be watching New England football being played in a dome in St Louis.