PatsFans.com Menu
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans

Jaguar Mac Jones is about to embarrass the genius BB and his all star coaching staff [mod edit: he didn’t]

Status
Not open for further replies.
Was it his old coach or Zappe that said that publicly? That makes a big difference to me. The latter is throwing his teammate under the bus while showing nothing to warrant you replacing him as starter.



We know Jones and Zappe were not exactly best friends for whatever reason. The above note from Giardi to me means A) Zappe views/viewed himself as a starter and nothing else and B) Zappe was not an innocent bystander making the QB room a toxic mess.....and a veteran leader is needed to help fix that problem. I'm sure this offseason and Maye's arrival was a reality check for him and I expected him to do what he's doing now if he wants to continue his NFL career as a backup here or somewhere else.

Also re the "driving us crazy" report - it read to me like it was more about Mac being a goofball with his new team (which he is) than anything football related.
We will never know what Mac could have been here were it not for Bill the Coach's inexcusable dereliction in the the way he handled him, in the lousy coaching staff he put in place, and in the abysmal roster with which Bill the GM surrounded him. We may get an indication of what might have been possible in how Mac does with other teams going forward. Such discussions as this tend to get emotional. It'll be nice to have a little empirical data to consult, data arising out of what must inevitably be a better situation than that with which Mac was burdened here by his coach's incompetence.

Sorry, fanboys, Bill's Super Bowl rings are irrelevant to this discussion. The Bill who won those rings was long gone by the time Mac showed up.

It might not be out of place to mention that the player Bill the Coach seemed so to despise was drafted by Bill the GM.

Mac isn't blameless, of course. A stronger man might have withstood the challenges better than he, and I suspect his overscripted, precious preppie manner may not over time have endeared him to his teammates. Here too, we'll see how he fares on his new team in what will almost certainly be a less toxic environment.

I admire Zappe. Why shouldn't he aspire to be the starter? He is under no obligation to buy into adverse assessments from coaches, fans, teammates, or anybody else. His job was to try to win the job. Objectively speaking, did he ever have a real shot at succeeding? Almost certainly not. But his belief in himself and his ambition and his evident willingness to put in the work are all admirable traits. They are exactly what you want in a young qb. Maybe if Mac had had some of the Zapster's Moxie, he would have done better. I wish him well, though I would not bet on his ever being more than a so-so backup, a role in which he will likely make more after all in his lifetime than many of those who dismiss him.

We hardly know anything about Maye as an NFL QB at this point, but his physical skills are on point, he seems a willing worker, and in the irksomely limited opportunities he has had to show what he might be able to do, he's done fine.

Brisset is Zappe with a resume, a stopgap. I bought a '69 Impala once for $400. It served me fine for two years until the blow-by got so bad that the dipstick kept blowing on up out of its tube. I drove it (in a spectacular cloud of blue smoke) to the junkyard and bought a new Honda. That's where the Pats are with Brissett, except they overpaid for their stopgap.
 
Last edited:
Was it his old coach or Zappe that said that publicly? That makes a big difference to me. The latter is throwing his teammate under the bus while showing nothing to warrant you replacing him as starter.



We know Jones and Zappe were not exactly best friends for whatever reason. The above note from Giardi to me means A) Zappe views/viewed himself as a starter and nothing else and B) Zappe was not an innocent bystander making the QB room a toxic mess.....and a veteran leader is needed to help fix that problem. I'm sure this offseason and Maye's arrival was a reality check for him and I expected him to do what he's doing now if he wants to continue his NFL career as a backup here or somewhere else.

Also re the "driving us crazy" report - it read to me like it was more about Mac being a goofball with his new team (which he is) than anything football related.
Regarding your quote from BSJ - I think that is more a criticism of Belichick's roster construction than Zappe's mentality. Zappe was definitely brought in by Bill for the purpose of pushing Mac. He was a rookie/sophomore, of course he's going to be pushing to try to prove himself. Would you want to draft a kid at QB who's just gonna be like "nah I'm good on the bench bro, you do you"? It seems like Bedard/Giardi are trying to say that it would have been smarter to have a veteran behind Mac instead so Mac would have a "safe space" QB room.

Whether you agree or disagree is your own personal opinion but I don't think they are trying to say Zappe did anything wrong.
 
Hmm, OK, so I guess I a bit off on Willams, although the RBIs were impressive. At the time, I think that the home run leader was Babe Ruth with 714 and some of us homers thought that Williams had a shot at that if had not gone off to Korea. So, maybe not....I guess you all know about the Ted Williams seat at Fenway, right? It was where a monster home run of Williams landed; even Big Papi could not come close and thought it was impossible.
Doing some research on that home run a couple guys checked into the weather that day, there was a stiff breeze blowing to straight center and they didn't have that tall structure behind home plate then, so the wind was not hindered. He creamed one and hit it high int the wind and it really did make it to that red seat. Can't do it today because the wind is blocked.
 
Jones had to go. The Pats were going in a completely different direction.

But we’ll never know what could been if the former HC who is .429 post Brady had developed him properly instead of putting a f’n DC and special teams coach in charge of his offense.
The 100% distilled essence of hubris of that decision is second only to railroading TB12 out of town.
 
Bill maybe could have gotten a 7th with Brady. But we would have zero without Bill.
TB12 got one without BB, so it's presumptuous to say we'd have zero. Maybe with another coach and GM, we'd have gotten 3 more during the long drought. It's impossible to know. Still, BB has zero rings as HC without TB12. TB12 was terrific without him. BB? A losing record.
 
This whole line of thinking is mind boggling. I’m not even sure where this thread could possibly go.

Patsfans.com mirrors society, I guess, when you get to a point where people believe these types of things and are passionate about arguing the validity of a HoFer’s career as HC.

It’s absurd to give Brady all the accolades and not view his amazing career as it was. Many times, he pushed the team to crucial wins in the toughest of spots. Many times, his teammates and coaching staff contributed immensely to the success.

I’m so glad I was a fan during the greatest seasons this franchise has enjoyed. But this constant back n forth between the two greatest seems misguided.
It's also absurd to say that without BB, TB12 gets zero rings as a Patriot. After Tampa Bay, it's reasonable to ponder how well he would done on the Pats with a a good coach not named BB and a good GM.
 
Jones had to go. The Pats were going in a completely different direction.

But we’ll never know what could been if the former HC who is .429 post Brady had developed him properly instead of putting a f’n DC and special teams coach in charge of his offense.

From 2020-2023 the Pats were in the regular season.:

29380.433
 
  • Agree
Reactions: sb1
And Cleveland ran him out of town after the hire he wasn't the BB we got from Cleveland. That fan base hated him.
Dude… there was literally a documentary about the Browns moving to Baltimore and the fallout from that.

Just making up revisionist historical facts is a favorite pastime on fan sites like this… good grief.
 
Beathard getting hurt is all Mac jones fault.
All the posters who believe Mac is actually great at football should commit and stand behind it. Stop waffling.

 
Dude… there was literally a documentary about the Browns moving to Baltimore and the fallout from that.

Just making up revisionist historical facts is a favorite pastime on fan sites like this… good grief.
They pretty much did run him out of town and they didn't like him. Where's the lie?
 
They pretty much did run him out of town and they didn't like him. Where's the lie?
The fans don’t fire anyone genius. Modell initially said he was bringing BB with him to Baltimore then changed his mind after the fact. It’s a lie.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Patriots News 04-19, Countdown To Draft Day
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft 6 – A Week Before the Draft
TRANSCRIPT: Eliot Wolf Pre-Draft Press Conference 4/13
Patriots News 04-12, What To Watch For In The NFL Draft
MORSE: Pre-Draft Patriots News and Notes
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft 5
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft 5
Mark Morse
2 weeks ago
Patriots Part Ways with Another Linebacker as Offseason Roster Shake-Up Continues
Patriots News 04-05, Mock Draft 2.0, Patriots Look For OL Depth
MORSE: 18 Game Schedule and Other Patriots Notes
TRANSCRIPT: Mike Vrabel Press Conference at the League Meetings 3/31
Back
Top