Jaguar Mac Jones is about to embarrass the genius BB and his all star coaching staff [mod edit: he didn’t]

[Thelonious]

I really don’t understand why you would say that bolded part. History has certainly proven otherwise.

"In the end" I think that makes it fair. I am retired. I retired when I sensed that I was not doing my job to my standards. No one had to suggest to me that that was the case. Bill should have done the same. I suspect there will come a time, if he is not there already, when Bill would tell you the same. Among his other virtues, after all, was honesty.

 

[KCSVEN]

Mac Looked great in yesterday's preseason game. 16-23 2 TD's no interceptions. It's only one preseason game (true) but
Amazing what a supportive and non backstabbing coaching staff can do to help a young QB. Joe has a real chance to develop with Pederson into a very good qb.

Did you watch this game? He looked like Patriots Mac Jones. Threw his normal horrific pick in his own end and bailed out by a PI and you can't say the PI caused the pick, if no PI it is underthrown my 5 yards.

He curdled like a baby on 1 sack. Fell without being touched on another sack. Did his normal acting like he was hit hard and complaining to the ref maneuver.
Yeah, he hit some wide-open guys, made some ok decisions. He looked decent at times but mostly looked like Mac Jones as we know him.

 

[Brotherblues]

The impact of losing him can’t be underrated enough.

It can and is underrated.

It can't be stated enough.

That is all. Block me now and I won't blame you.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Did you watch this game? He looked like Patriots Mac Jones. Threw his normal horrific pick in his own end and bailed out by a PI and you can't say the PI caused the pick, if no PI it is underthrown my 5 yards.

He curdled like a baby on 1 sack. Fell without being touched on another sack. Did his normal acting like he was hit hard and complaining to the ref maneuver.
Yeah, he hit some wide-open guys, made some ok decisions. He looked decent at times but mostly looked like Mac Jones as we know him.

Of course he didn't. He looked at the stats and assumed Mac played against the 85 Bears.

 

[maust]

Can't we just agree he was great for a long time and then wasn't towards the end? The game changes, players change, he was old school when it worked, then it didn't.

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Seems as though Bill definitely lived long enough.

 

[maust]

I wish there was a sub forum for the Greatest Threads of All Time, there have been some truly great ones.

“ I can’t Stand it.” As well as Deus thread claiming that the 20014 roster was the worst in football are just a couple of memorable ones.

Ahh, the Doucheisms. An entertaining subforum could be put together with his ponderous pontifications alone.
Have you ever noticed the quote in my signature?
Good times... good times.

 

[Kasmir]

Mac Looked great in yesterday's preseason game. 16-23 2 TD's no interceptions. It's only one preseason game (true) but
Amazing what a supportive and non backstabbing coaching staff can do to help a young QB. Joe has a real chance to develop with Pederson into a very good qb.
Maybe fences could have been mended if Bill hadn't thrown this kid under the bus so many times.
Another case of Bill's oversize ego ruining the team. Bill was a pric* with this kid and f'ed him up like he f'ed up the team.

I had advocated for keeping MAC as a backup QB for 24 and seeing how things play out in TC.
Might have allowed Pats to draft Joe Alt or Harrison or Malik Nabors. Or at a minimum been better competition for Maye than Brissett.

If somehow Lawrence goes down and Mac lights it up...it will be yet another huge black eye for "The greatest Coach of All time"
By the way..the greatest coach of all time will end up being "Andy Reid"

I am rooting for:
1. BB to never get the all time wins record
2. not be recognized as greatest head coach of all time
3. Not getting another HC job.


What he did ti the Patriots over the past 5 years was blatant malpractice and his incredibly poor judgment destroyed this franchise. Justice will be for him to not get another job,

Of course Mac looks good in preseason, he's very skillful, and there's little pressure.

His issue with the Pats was panicking under pressure. Even in his comeback win vs the Dolphins last year he confessed that he was often watching the DL and not looking downfield. You cant do that and play his style of QB.

I think his downfall was really when he got injured and started playing scared. Especially when he got a league rep as a dirty player. Once the opposition knew he was rattled by injury concerns, I suspect the opposition started to threaten him.

But I think he was always prone to panic in the best of times, and couldn't handle things when the play broke down for that reason.

I don't know if that propensity to panic -- permanent yips -- is curable. We'll see.

 

[PScottman]

I don't know if that propensity to panic -- permanent yips -- is curable.

Depends, are Benzodiazepine or Buspirone on the banned substances list?

 

[sb1]

"In the end" I think that makes it fair. I am retired. I retired when I sensed that I was not doing my job to my standards. No one had to suggest to me that that was the case. Bill should have done the same. I suspect there will come a time, if he is not there already, when Bill would tell you the same. Among his other virtues, after all, was honesty.

I know what you were trying to say... at the end of his career. "In the end" to me sounds like a look back at his overall career and I know you weren't saying that. And I agree.

 

[sb1]

It can and is underrated.

It can't be stated enough.

That is all. Block me now and I won't blame you.

Heh. Touche.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

I really don’t understand why you would say that bolded part. History has certainly proven otherwise.

There is a possibility that years or months from now , us Patriots fans will yearn to have BB come back. He is the GOAT, at least as a coach, not so much as a GM.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

From Bleacher Report:

Williams finished his career with a .344 average, 2,654 hits, 521 home runs and 1,839 RBI. Because he missed time during two different periods of his career, I compiled the numbers for the six years before and after the time he missed from 1942-1945 and then did the same thing for the six years around his absence in 1952 and 1953.

Because Williams did play briefly during the 1952 and 1953 seasons, I did include those numbers when figuring his projected numbers for those years.

If the totals for the five seasons he missed were added to his ledger, Williams would have hit .342 with 3,452 hits, 663 home runs and 2,380 RBI. Those numbers would have lifted him from 69th to sixth in career hits; from 18th to fourth in home runs; and from 13th to first in runs batter in.

(the article was written in 2009, so his place on the all-time lists for each statistic are not all accurate but the overall point is valid)

Hmm, OK, so I guess I a bit off on Willams, although the RBIs were impressive. At the time, I think that the home run leader was Babe Ruth with 714 and some of us homers thought that Williams had a shot at that if had not gone off to Korea. So, maybe not....I guess you all know about the Ted Williams seat at Fenway, right? It was where a monster home run of Williams landed; even Big Papi could not come close and thought it was impossible.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

It can and is underrated.

It can't be stated enough.

That is all. Block me now and I won't blame you.

Oh please guys, cool off. The Ernie Adams thing was a joke. Nobody even knows what he did...so how can we say how crucial he was?

 

[Vindicate]

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Mac Jones ****ing sucks LOL. Yeah the coaching here ****ed him over but WOOF man, only so much can be blamed on that. He was fussy, easily shook, and truly felt like a quitter. The Patriots was the first time he faced adversity and it showed big time. Hella players go through really bad coaching and still keep themselves together.

 

[Vindicate]

Oh please guys, cool off. The Ernie Adams thing was a joke. Nobody even knows what he did...so how can we say how crucial he was?

Plus. It wasn't just Adams. It was a whole organization that over the course of 20 years had moved on, both FO and coaches. **** took its natural course. The main knock on Belichick is he evidently has a hard time trusting new staff and instead let it run anemic thinking he could weather the storm.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Plus. It wasn't just Adams. It was a whole organization that over the course of 20 years had moved on, both FO and coaches. **** took its natural course. The main knock on Belichick is he evidently has a hard time trusting new staff and instead let it run anemic thinking he could weather the storm.

Dante Scarnecchia was a huge loss, not only on the field, but on draft day.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

It's a veteran in pre season, yawn.

People still reading things into pre season after all these years of it meaning nothing once the real games start, remember CJ Stroud in pre season last year he was pathetic where as Sean Clifford and Will Grier were lighting it up.

You know who doesn't think he'll make BB look stupid? The NFL you know the 31 other teams who passed on taking him for what was basically nothing with a chance to be a starter, the team who did take him is literally praying he never plays a down.

The Mac Jones fanboys who make excuses for his lack of supporting cast are the same people who said QBs like Andrew Luck sucked as they went 11-5 with no offensive line and the worst coaching staff in the NFL, Mac Jones didn't have an ideal situation but he also sucked and threw some of the worst interceptions you'll ever see last year, good quarterbacks can overcome it somewhat they don't become an unplayable disaster.

If Lawrence goes down the Jaguars season is over cause they'll have a whiny **** at quarterback and that's not opinion that's fact held by 31 teams and everyone who's watched him play and isn't weirdly choosing to die on the Mac Jones hill another suckbag quarterback who will never be relevant again.

I suppose Dougy P will give him arm strength so he doesn't need to heave a 35 year pass down the sidelines like it's a hail mary?

 

[Ross12]

He does/did seem to have a bit of an ego. Case in point when he shared with a sideline reporter that after he was cut he told BB he knows he will be this team's starter. Giardi (I think it was him) also had a comment implying that Zappe got a little too big for his britches and the QB room was a place to learn.

That’s not what happened at all… Zappe told his old high school OC or something that he knew he would be a starter, he didn’t tell BB. Then later that other person told people he had said that, not Zappe.

I always felt like there were all these reports of people saying Zappe said or did something but it was very nebulous in details or from someone several degrees removed from the situation. Part of the issue was due to the local media putting a magnifying glass on the “QB battle” and trying to find any little shred of worthwhile Zappe news, but I also think sometimes people were just sending up bogus Zappe stories (possibly Mac’s camp).

Mac was let go and the news articles about his antics have followed him to Jax despite him having no chance of being a starter there. Meanwhile the Pats kept Zappe despite the supposed “toxicity” and we haven’t had one single sniff of issues even though he might have expected to be able to battle Brissett for the top job but instead is buried at the bottom of the depth chart. I think this tells us all we need to know doesn’t it?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Regardless of coaching, talent - His game was a showcase of bad play and even worse decision making. He did himself no favors.

As for getting too little for him, when you are getting ready to cut bait and you catch a fish, you don't complain.

True, but as Sam correctly points out then Mac would have become a free agent, and gone to the Bills, where he would have beaten out Josh Allen and led them to their first Super Bowl win ever. ****ing Belichick!

 

[sb1]

That’s not what happened at all… Zappe told his old high school OC or something that he knew he would be a starter, he didn’t tell BB. Then later that other person told people he had said that, not Zappe.

I always felt like there were all these reports of people saying Zappe said or did something but it was very nebulous in details or from someone several degrees removed from the situation. Part of the issue was due to the local media putting a magnifying glass on the “QB battle” and trying to find any little shred of worthwhile Zappe news, but I also think sometimes people were just sending up bogus Zappe stories (possibly Mac’s camp).

Mac was let go and the news articles about his antics have followed him to Jax despite him having no chance of being a starter there. Meanwhile the Pats kept Zappe despite the supposed “toxicity” and we haven’t had one single sniff of issues even though he might have expected to be able to battle Brissett for the top job but instead is buried at the bottom of the depth chart. I think this tells us all we need to know doesn’t it?

Was it his old coach or Zappe that said that publicly? That makes a big difference to me. The latter is throwing his teammate under the bus while showing nothing to warrant you replacing him as starter.

NFL Notebook: Giardi - QB plan should come into focus; what we're hearing on free agency

Both are flawed players. Both are replaceable. But both have started a bunch of games throughout their careers - Brissett 48, Minshew 37 - and understand, at this point in their careers, they're caretakers or bridges to the next guy. That's important.

www.bostonsportsjournal.com

Both (Brissett and Minshew) are flawed players. Both are replaceable. But both have started a bunch of games throughout their careers - Brissett 48, Minshew 37 - and understand, at this point in their careers, they're caretakers or bridges to the next guy. That's important. Bailey Zappe isn't thinking that way. Mac Jones is a first-rounder (and working on no-look passes. Read the room, bro). Yes, you want the vet to keep the heat on the kid QB, but you also want him to make sure that QB room is a safe space, a place to learn and grow. What it's been the last year-plus is the opposite of that: a toxic pit.

We know Jones and Zappe were not exactly best friends for whatever reason. The above note from Giardi to me means A) Zappe views/viewed himself as a starter and nothing else and B) Zappe was not an innocent bystander making the QB room a toxic mess.....and a veteran leader is needed to help fix that problem. I'm sure this offseason and Maye's arrival was a reality check for him and I expected him to do what he's doing now if he wants to continue his NFL career as a backup here or somewhere else.

Also re the "driving us crazy" report - it read to me like it was more about Mac being a goofball with his new team (which he is) than anything football related.