Report: Patriots working to trade Matt Judon to Atlanta (Update: Deal is done)

[signbabybrady]

If by players you mean Patrick Mahomes? Do we have Patrick Mahomes? No?

So what's the point? The one guy I said is the only guy who can do it and he took over a loaded team, which we do not have, is the answer?

So your answer to my point was to make the same point I made? Without Patrick, it's very unlikely that any other team is winning with their rookie QB. Certainly NOT unless you have a loaded offense and great defense. Which we don't have.

Brady, Ben, and Russ too.

But who needs Willie Mac or Joey Porter during their rookie contracts? A third Rd pick to build for their futures would have been more useful.

 

[sb1]

Brady and Ben too

+ Eli?

 

[festy1986]

Roethlisberger and Russ Wilson were two others.

Big Ben was the last one I remembered but I admittedly forgot about Wilson.

Again, that makes more sense. That Seattle team was loaded. We don't have a defense even close to what they had.

Its not impossible to win on a rookie QB but he's gonna have to be you're worst player to make ther happen IMO.

 

[festy1986]

Brady and Ben too

Right. So like I said. Decades. As Robert pointed out though, I missed out on Russell Wilson.

So it's not the rule, it's the exception.

 

[sb1]

+ Eli?

Flacco

 

[Ring 6]

My expectations are low to begin with.

To remind you, he had 3.5 last year and is 32 years old.

Speculation

This may surprise you to learn but the team is rebuilding.

They don’t lookin like they are rebuilding they look like they are on a pause

 

[RobertWeathers]

Big Ben was the last one I remembered but I admittedly forgot about Wilson.

Again, that makes more sense. That Seattle team was loaded. We don't have a defense even close to what they had.

Its not impossible to win on a rookie QB but he's gonna have to be you're worst player to make ther happen IMO.

Agree but to your point it's a different game now. Plus both those 2005 and 2013 teams were top 10 in scoring and had arguably HoF QBs. Very exceptional.

 

[festy1986]

Agree but to your point it's a different game now. Plus both those 2005 and 2013 teams were top 10 in scoring and had arguably HoF QBs. Very exceptional.

This is a amazing trade is my point and acting like it cost us a Superbowl is ridiculous which some people here are alluding to.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

These are two teams in very different places. One trying to finally put it together after nearly 60 years...the other trying to put it back together after an unprecedented 20 year run. Mathew Judon got what he wanted and the Pats got a decent return.

As for the Falcons...I think there's a reason they've never won a SB: a calcified Front Office with a very well-intentioned Owner, who doesn't seem as smart about running an NFL Franchise as he was about building a great business but is otherwise apparently a decent guy...years ago, Arthur Blank went to the same HS as my kid and left behind a nice reputation...school networks are a small world and people would know if Blank was a jerk.*

All in all, the Falcons have failed to succeed despite two "Franchise" QB's since 2001... Michael Vick was a sad case; Matt Ryan couldn't take them to the top and will never get over 3--28.

I look for "more of the same" to continue for Atlanta...but, as I said at the top, Judon and the Pats got what they wanted/needed. Judon will get some sort of a payday (probably with a lot of "incentives"), Atlanta will once again "contend earnestly" and the Good Guys can, hopefully!, rebuild.

*Edit: I was going to put a link to a nice article about him in the school's alumni bulletin, but it ended with a Fund Raising appeal and I didn't think it appropriate to post here. Just search "Arthur Blank high school" and you'll get to it in a couple of clicks.

 

[Sect140]

The Pats will use their first round pick on a LT. That seems pretty obvious. But that third rounder gives the Pats ammo to trade back into the first round next year to draft a WR with their second pick.

I hope so, the last two seasons I thought they would use a high pick on a LT. It’s crazy isn’t it, two different coaches and GM’s and neither chose to draft a LT.

 

[Rob0729]

 

[Keep Up With The Joneses]

My expectations are low to begin with.

To remind you, he had 3.5 last year and is 32 years old.

Speculation

This may surprise you to learn but the team is rebuilding.

You and I agree on many things. This isn't one of them.

We all know sacks aren't the only thing used to rate a linebacker. It isn't really even the most important thing. I'll take hurries, hits, amount of times double-teamed, etc, etc, any day. Plucking out 3.5 sacks in an injury shortened season isn't really representative of what Judon brings.

Guys are playing longer. I don't think we would have regretted signing Judon to a 3 year deal. Instead it appears all that $$$ will just help Kraft buy another boat.

As for rebuilding, it's hard for me to get on board with this right now. Is there an actual plan in place? It doesn't seem that way right now, or if there is it isn't one the Pats will fully commit to.

We know this is no longer a destination. The coaching room is new, the championship culture is gone, the weather sucks, the taxes and cost of living are sky high. As much as I love Boston, it doesn't quite hold the same allure for guys in their 20s looking for stuff to do.

The Pats have shown they have some interest in improving talent at the skill positions by making a bid on Ridley. But they won't go all the way. Because of all the reasons above, they are going to have to overpay to get real players in here. They aren't willing to do that. Now they are letting the defense fall apart as well.

So what is the rebuild plan? Until it becomes obvious, and they show a true commitment to it, it's hard to sit back and be patient.

 

[RobertWeathers]

+ Eli?

Yep. Giants re-did his deal in 2009 so he was under the rookie deal in (gulp) 07

 

[Sect140]

It's a byproduct of the CBA being generally owner-friendly, specifically about guaranteed money. If players didn't have to worry about losing their money if they got injured, they could sign shorter deals, and they'd be in better position to take advantage of the ever increasing salary cap. As is, a guy like Judon signs a deal, and by the end of it guys half as good are making twice as much, just because the money pool keeps growing. Holding out/in is basically the only leverage the players have, where teams have the ability to get out from deals that go in the opposite direction. I don't blame him for wanting to renegotiate, but exploding publicly wasn't the way to go about it.

I wish when players were *****ing to the media about being underpaid a reporter would ask them wasn’t your contract front loaded just to see what their reaction is.

 

[Rob0729]

I hope so, the last two seasons I thought they would use a high pick on a LT. It’s crazy isn’t it, two different coaches and GM’s and neither chose to draft a LT.

I have criticized most major decisions by Belichick his last few years with the Patriots, but Gonzalez is a potential HOF type of prospect who should have been drafted in the top 10 and fell to the Patriots. Hard to pass up on him.

And I was in the camp of exploring trading down the #3 pick, but the value wasn’t there. At that point, they had to draft their QB of the future.

 

[signbabybrady]

Right. So like I said. Decades. As Robert pointed out though, I missed out on Russell Wilson.

So it's not the rule, it's the exception.

Not decades they won after their rookie deals too. I said more than half the SBs won this century were won by players who were capable of doing it on their rookie deals. Point being don't punt on 3 seasons like you stated.

 

[203Pat]

The former homer brigade turning into the mope squad is the most laughably transparent thing I have seen on here in a while. The same posters who told anyone that criticized any decision the organization (Bill) made the last few years to "go root for another team" are now critical of every single step the new regime has made.

 

[Real fan 02]

Ximines lol.
You realize he is 28 years old failed with the giants and they thought so much of him he played 53 snaps last year and he has 2 sacks in the last 4 years, don’t you?

Ok how was peppers career going before he came to us.. X already said this defense is best for him and covington puts him in position to utilize his strength. I like what he brings and he will have ample playing time.

 

[Sect140]

I have criticized most major decisions by Belichick his last few years with the Patriots, but Gonzalez is a potential HOF type of prospect who should have been drafted in the top 10 and fell to the Patriots. Hard to pass up on him.

And I was in the camp of exploring trading down the #3 pick, but the value wasn’t there. At that point, they had to draft their QB of the future.

Agreed, I would’ve been happy with them using a 2nd round pick on a LT.

 

[RobertWeathers]

You and I agree on many things. This isn't one of them.

We all know sacks aren't the only thing used to rate a linebacker. It isn't really even the most important thing. I'll take hurries, hits, amount of times double-teamed, etc, etc, any day. Plucking out 3.5 sacks in an injury shortened season isn't really representative of what Judon brings.

Agree. Sacks are the topic as that is what the poster focuses on.

I don't think Judon is a great edge-setter/run defender but his value in disrupting the passing game more than makes up for it.

Guys are playing longer. I don't think we would have regretted signing Judon to a 3 year deal. Instead it appears all that $$$ will just help Kraft buy another boat.

As for rebuilding, it's hard for me to get on board with this right now. Is there an actual plan in place? It doesn't seem that way right now, or if there is it isn't one the Pats will fully commit to.

We know this is no longer a destination. The coaching room is new, the championship culture is gone, the weather sucks, the taxes and cost of living are sky high. As much as I love Boston, it doesn't quite hold the same allure for guys in their 20s looking for stuff to do.

The Pats have shown they have some interest in improving talent at the skill positions by making a bid on Ridley. But they won't go all the way. Because of all the reasons above, they are going to have to overpay to get real players in here. They aren't willing to do that. Now they are letting the defense fall apart as well.

So what is the rebuild plan? Until it becomes obvious, and they show a true commitment to it, it's hard to sit back and be patient.

Well, the rebuild plan is to establish a different team culture, bring along a rookie QB very slowly. Lock up the young veterans to long-term deals and add talent where they need it.