Report: Patriots working to trade Matt Judon to Atlanta (Update: Deal is done)

[signbabybrady]

Uche will have a full time role now..he will need to be an every down player. Judon was such a great person off the field in the same way Lawrence guy was. Sucks to loose those types of men. But it's the NFL and this happens all the time. We still have some young hungry guys and some unproven guys.. oshea Ximmnes.. you can mark my post.. he will be a budding star for the defense!

Ive been pleasantly surprised by Ximmnes. I think I said it once or twice on this board but I've definitely mentioned him to my brothers a few times.

 

[Rob0729]

Building is a myth either you have a QB that allows you to contend or you strike some kind of nick foles type magic either way your chances of winning are better if you have a good roster ready for when either occur.

And if Maye turns into a top QB, the Pats have plenty of time to develop a team around him by the time he is ready. If the Pats drafted Daniel’s or Williams, then you can argue they screwed up because they have a chance to make an impact right away. The Pats will have Brisset as their QB this year though.

 

[Real fan 02]

Cowboys missed an opportunity.

Oh.. have u seen Dallas WR group minus Ceedee?.. makes our WRS look like all pros. Mcarthy is on borrowed time.. Jerry's got Bill on speed dial!

 

[Water Boy]

A 3rd isn’t bad, i can live with that. At least its not a total fail like Gilmore for a 5th

Agreed. I think that was about good a deal as could have been hoped for. I give credit to Wolf and the coaching staff for playing this hand right. They facilitated a situation where Judon participated and demonstrated his value (even in the face of the risk of injury) and by doing so he helped the Patriots get a good return. If he remained disgruntled and didn't participate throughout camp the offers would have been much lower.

 

[lancerman]

Building is a myth either you have a QB that allows you to contend or you strike some kind of nick foles type magic either way your chances of winning are better if you have a good roster ready for when either occur.

Well we have neither this year. Brissett isn't capable of going on a hot streak like Foles, and are most likely young QB prospect is more likely to need to sit and develop. So spending bad money to try to seem more competitive is a waste this year when we should be setting things up for when we potentially have a QB ready.

 

[Real fan 02]

Ive been pleasantly surprised by Ximmnes. I think I said it once or twice on this board but I've definitely mentioned him to my brothers a few times.

Yes!! Definitely agree.. guys stops the run, gets after the passer can rush all over the front.. he's a gem for us.. he also will have a bigger role.. Jennings too can after the passer but he's asked to contain the edge in the defense. Uche needs to show up that 2022 performance.

 

[signbabybrady]

Let's put it this way even at his age I suspect Judon will be better in 2025 & 2026 than this 3rd round pick will be. And obviously next year's 3rd does nothing for 2024.

With that said to be fair even if the pick is just an average player he likely will be better than Judon by 2027 and beyond.

 

[sb1]

A third? That's a great return. Wasn't expecting anything close to that.

Thank you Judon. Fun guy to watch, sorry to see you go.

 

[Ring 6]

You have demonstrated you have no idea how the cap works. Most teams with no cap space have QBs making $40 plus million a year and/or WRs making $25-30 million a year and players with mature contracts where their big cap hits start hitting in years three or four of the deal. Players huge bonuses when they sign that are spread out over the life of their contracts and teams structure contracts to make sure the cap hits are larger as the contract goes along since the cap continues to grow.

Until you learn how the cap works, there is no more need to discuss how it does.

Seriously?
So if you have big contracts in later years taking up your cap, how much cash over the cap are you spending? Not much right?
But if you sign free agents you spend a ton more cash than cap.

Let’s make it simple. See the extremes examples.
Team A has zero cap room and a veteran roster. There cash expense will be less than the cap because some of that space is amortized signing bonus paid in the past.
Team b has zero players. They sign 53 each at 5 mill cap hit.
Those contracts are 5 years 40 mill with 20 mill signing bonus. 1 mill first year salary.
Cash expense is 21x53= 1.113 BILLION.

So a team that had next to no roster has to have a higher cash expense that a team that had a fuller roster.

The patriots left 43 million of cap unspent.

 

[Froob]

I guess. The odds on drafting a player of his caliber with a single 3rd round pick are about 5%.

He’s 32. Do you think we were winning the SB? We’ll be lucky to win five games with or without Judon.

 

[signbabybrady]

Seriously?
So if you have big contracts in later years taking up your cap, how much cash over the cap are you spending? Not much right?
But if you sign free agents you spend a ton more cash than cap.

Let’s make it simple. See the extremes examples.
Team A has zero cap room and a veteran roster. There cash expense will be less than the cap because some of that space is amortized signing bonus paid in the past.
Team b has zero players. They sign 53 each at 5 mill cap hit.
Those contracts are 5 years 40 mill with 20 mill signing bonus. 1 mill first year salary.
Cash expense is 21x53= 1.113 BILLION.

So a team that had next to no roster has to have a higher cash expense that a team that had a fuller roster.

The patriots left 43 million of cap unspent.

50 mil now with Judon off the books

 

[Ring 6]

I am not glorifying spending years in the basement. I am willing to sacrifice the first year of a rebuild (which the Pats are in) to make the team better long term.

There were very few players available in free agency that were in position of needs that would build this team for the future. All the best players available were on defense. And they tried and failed to make a splash with Ridley and Aiyuk.

Again, when you draft a QB with the third pick and he has to sit his rookie year or a large portion of it, you are tanking the season whether you make a splash in free agency or not. I am sure if there were receivers or o-linemen who were impact players available who were young enough to build around, they would have at least kicked the tires on them. There aren’t.

You literally said “several years in the basement pays dividend”
Giving up a year doesn’t make you better faster.

There were over 70 players available that would have made team better. Whether any were WRs or not. 4 win teams need help everywhere.

Thee is no reason he has to sit.

So in your world football doesn’t include dl, lb, secondary, rb, te, special teams? We could have upgraded the hell out of those and I guarantee we could do better than Verdarian Lowe and no WR with more than 40 yards per game for their career.

 

[Ring 6]

He’s 32. Do you think we were winning the SB? We’ll be lucky to win five games with or without Judon.

Because we refused to upgrade the team around him.
Don’t tell me we had to trade the guy because we couldn’t win with him when the reason we can’t is we sat in 43 million that could have made the team better.

 

[Ring 6]

50 mil now with Judon off the books

Bendover Bob gets richer every day

 

[Salsalife]

Judon shot himself out of town. So much wasted energy. Defense lost 2 stars...Good luck Mayo... I can hear it now... Welcome to Gillette where the 0-10 Patriots look to get a win today!

 

[SammyBlueCat]

That's too bad. He's a good player and a good guy but he's 32 so it makes sense.

 

[Ring 6]

Uche will have a full time role now..he will need to be an every down player. Judon was such a great person off the field in the same way Lawrence guy was. Sucks to loose those types of men. But it's the NFL and this happens all the time. We still have some young hungry guys and some unproven guys.. oshea Ximmnes.. you can mark my post.. he will be a budding star for the defense!

Ximines lol.
You realize he is 28 years old failed with the giants and they thought so much of him he played 53 snaps last year and he has 2 sacks in the last 4 years, don’t you?

 

[Thelonious]

I'm sorry to see him go. He was an interesting personality, a great interview, a helpful locker room presence, it seemed to me, and I thought that barring further injury, that he has at least a couple more seasons of good football yet to play. BUT, thus is the right thing to do for a team which will not likely be genuinely competitive for a couple years and which has a roster so depleted that it must be rebuilt via draft-and-develop, and for that you need draft picks. A third-rounder sounds about right to me.

 

[Clonamery]

He’s 32. Do you think we were winning the SB? We’ll be lucky to win five games with or without Judon.

Definitely now.

 

[sb1]

I'm fine with this. Truth is we should have committed to a hard rebuild a long time ago and the old coach/gm was unwilling to and tried to scrape by while filling the team with the junk that led us here. Judon realistically is maybe 1 extra win if that.

Time to jump start the rebuild and stop deluding ourselves that we had a shot this year or even the last few years

Now it's a real rebuild not the faux one over the last few years. This process should have started the day Brady left and we might have a contender right now.