Report: Patriots working to trade Matt Judon to Atlanta (Update: Deal is done)

[sb1]

They were competitive from 1996-1999 and had a down year.
In the context of the discussion they were literally what the Steelers have been.

Wasn't a down year at the time, it was a trend. They were literally on downward trajectory since Pete took over. They weren't good at anything on either side of the ball and their record reflected that.

They had an opportunity to do this right in 2020 when Brady left but Bill decided chasing Shula's record was more important I guess. That was not a rebuild.

 

[Ring 6]

There's no plan to suck. If they suck, it's because the former GM/HC left a smoking crater of a roster and the bill (no pun intended) is due.

Reportedly only one was offering a 3rd and the others weren't close to that.

Then why did they bring back all his players and not spend 43 million? If you roast us bad and you have 43 million of cap space you either spend it on players or you plan to suck.

Thats not true. Atlanta have the best offer of at least 3, which is very different than your claim of broken down and only 1 person wants it.

 

[stcjones]

It won’t be an average defense. Many holes, and the brains left town.

I get the sense that Judon is a guy who takes care of himself. I believe he's going to still be a high end producer into his mid-thirties. I don't know much about recovery from a torn bicep but I feel like it isn't going to be some lingering injury like a knee or shoulder.

We all know he comes to play, and he's a great locker room guy and fan favorite. The Pats have PLENTY of space, and no top tier FAs are coming here. We also know Atlanta was desperate to land a guy like this after all the criticism on draft day and the belief they have a window to win in the next couple of years.

In a vacuum I agree with most here that a 3rd rounder is a reasonable return (albeit likely a late 3rd). But with all of the above in play, I feel like the Pats should have just signed him or fleeced whoever wanted him.

Mid 30’s means 3 years left….its a sh*tty business but this was a good move by the Pats especially once Judon became a malcontent instead of just working through the process and either request trade or play it out for your next contract…..Wish him the best

 

[Sicilian]

When you're cleaning a messy room, it always gets messier before it gets cleaner. Sad to see Judon go, but he wasn't likely part of the next great Patriots team, and clearly wasn't willing to just play out this year then hit free agency (which I don't blame him for. At this stage of his career, coming off that injury, some security is important).

Thanks Judon! You were fun to watch on some otherwise frustrating teams.

 

[Patsgofor4]

On one hand, I love the player and the personality and I'm sorry to see him go.

On the other hand, they aren't vying for a championship at this point and they clearly didn't view him as part of the future, so better to get something for him now, not to mention the fact that he had become a distraction.

A 2025 3rd rounder from a middle of the pack team is a decent return, all things considered. Even if he hadagreed to play out the year with a incentive based renegotiation for this year and then left after the season as an UFA, he wouldn’t have netted the Pats a third round compensatory pick, at age 33.

Thanks for balling out for Pats Nation during your time here, MJ! I wish you well in the ATL.

 

[Ring 6]

Wasn't a down year at the time, it was a trend. They were literally on downward trajectory since Pete took over. They weren't good at anything on either side of the ball and their record reflected that.

What point are you trying to make? They were a middle of the road team who took one short step back then won the Sb.

 

[signbabybrady]

You literally said building is a myth.
We committed to the qb why are we sitting out a season?

I'm just frustrated so I'm not making sense but what I mean is that the QB is the key factor and it would be better to have things built before you get the QB so you can hit the ground running. For some reason we felt drafting the QB now but waiting until next year to build an O-line and trading away one of our best defenders somehow equals building.

I guess what I mean is you build a good roster no matter what but what puts you over the top can't really just be built.

 

[gobesmug]

Judon is 32. Do you really want to give him close to the top of the market money to have 5-6 win seasons while he is here for the next two years only to be let go or retire when the Pats are finally good again.

People are acting like Judon is 28 and not coming off a major injury that ended his season last year.

Why assume it will take multiple years to turn this team around?

The 2000 Pats went 5-11 then started 0-2 before their 100mil highest paid player in NFL history got injured. They then went on to win the superbowl.

Not extending Judon is a loser mentality. The Pats had the cap space to keep him, but instead they are playing to lose the next few seasons. That's a very sad state of mind.

 

[Ring 6]

On one hand, I love the player and the personality and I'm sorry to see him go.

On the other hand, they aren't vying for a championship at this point and they clearly didn't view him as part of the future, so better to get something for him now, not to mention the fact that he had become a distraction.

A 2025 3rd rounder from a middle of the pack team is a decent return, all things considered. Even if he hadagreed to play out the year with a incentive based renegotiation for this year and then left after the season as an UFA, he wouldn’t have netted the Pats a third round compensatory pick, at age 33.

Thanks for balling out for Pats Nation during your time here, MJ! I wish you well in the ATL.

This is maddening to me.
This franchise dumps the coach, brings in the least experienced staff ever.
They have 63 million to spend to bring in new players to upgrade the roster and spend 8 on a journeyman gap filling qb, 12 on 6 backup quality guys and leave 43,000,000 unspent.
Then they trade their best player and the response is “oh well they weren’t going to win anyway”.
If they had cut every player on the team and fielded 53 UDFAs would’ve be saying, “can’t blame management, there weren’t going to win anyway?”

 

[sb1]

Then why did they bring back all his players and not spend 43 million? If you roast us bad and you have 43 million of cap space you either spend it on players or you plan to suck.

They did what you want them to do in 2021 and that ended with a 47-17 spanking in Buffalo so how did that work out. They spent on mediocre players who weren't worth it. Plenty to be had this past offseason, not one of them opens the competitive window for this team.

Thats not true. Atlanta have the best offer of at least 3, which is very different than your claim of broken down and only 1 person wants it.

I read a report somewhere that teams were offering a 5th other than Atlanta. Also that an NFL GM was surprised that the Pats got a 3rd for him.

 

[sb1]

What point are you trying to make? They were a middle of the road team who took one short step back then won the Sb.

Middle of the road teams aren't 5-11. They had a few foundational pieces much like this team does but that's it.

 

[Ring 6]

Why assume it will take multiple years to turn this team around?

The 2000 Pats went 5-11 then started 0-2 before their 100mil highest paid player in NFL history got injured. They then went on to win the superbowl.

Not extending Judon is a loser mentality. The Pats had the cap space to keep him, but instead they are playing to lose the next few seasons. That's a very sad state of mind.

The 2001 Patriots brought in a ton of free agents to overhaul their roster even though they were tight on the cap.

The 2024 Patriots had more money to upgrade more roster spots than the 2001 Patriots did.
Current management would have not signed players traded away Willie mcginest, and played for a high draft pick and low payroll.

 

[gobesmug]

Do we care about making this team better. Judon might help this team get six wins. What he would do most for this team is give them something like the 8-9th pick in the 2025 draft rather than a top 5 pick. If that is the case, this trade gives the Patriots more value.

People need to that unless this offensive line miraculously pulls itself together, Maye plays and immediately starts to live up to his potential, and the rookie WRs hit big; this team is going to be one of the 5-10 worst teams in the NFL. With or without Judon. Possible in the top 3 again.

I don't care about keeping player who will make this team go from awful to really, really bad. We are year one in a rebuild. We will experience what most other teams have had to deal with at least at times during our dynasty run. Spending several years as a cellar dweller before they could try to be a contender again.

I am glad the Patriots didn't spend a lot of money to get average players to make this team mediocre to win 7-8 games. As long as this team drafts well and is properly managed (which we will have to see), spending several years as cellar dwellers can pay dividends. I mean that is the 2000s Colts built their team. They weren't the Patriots, but they were better than everyone else.

That's loser mentality. Are you really happy with the front office and HC thinking they can't win in the next few years and thus just give up?

If this team had a ton of dead cap space the next couple of years this would make a ton of sense. Instead the Pats have the most cap space in the NFL over the next few years and they just traded their best player.

This is nothing to be excited about

 

[Ring 6]

They did what you want them to do in 2021 and that ended with a 47-17 spanking in Buffalo so how did that work out. They spent on mediocre players who weren't worth it. Plenty to be had this past offseason, not one of them opens the competitive window for this team.

I read a report somewhere that teams were offering a 5th other than Atlanta. Also that an NFL GM was surprised that the Pats got a 3rd for him.

Do you think this team is going to get to the playoffs?

If they had the right QB 2021 woks have been a springboard. If you did it now, you surround your new franchise qb with more talent increasing his chances of success.

Can you link that report?

 

[gobesmug]

The 2001 Patriots brought in a ton of free agents to overhaul their roster even though they were tight on the cap.

The 2024 Patriots had more money to upgrade more roster spots than the 2001 Patriots did.
Current management would have not signed players traded away Willie mcginest, and played for a high draft pick and low payroll.

I agree. I don't know how any fan can be happy with trading Judon when the Pats have the most cap space.

I was fine with not spending the cash in FA since it was a weak FA class. But this is giving up before the season even starts.

 

[stcjones]

Ximines lol.
You realize he is 28 years old failed with the giants and they thought so much of him he played 53 snaps last year and he has 2 sacks in the last 4 years, don’t you?

Vrabel….Judon …Ninko….van Noy ...and several others did little on other teams but then came here and became pro bowl or really good in a different scheme/role…. so far he looks good… Have to see how it pans out.

 

[Ring 6]

Middle of the road teams aren't 5-11. They had a few foundational pieces much like this team does but that's it.

A team that goes 32-32 over 4 years is a middle of the road team. When you change coaches, philosophies, and eat a huge cap shortage and fall back to 5-11 in order to get better you are a middle of the road team.

 

[Ring 6]

Vrabel….Judon …Ninko….van Noy ...and several others did little on other teams but then came here and became pro bowl or really good in a different scheme/role…. so far he looks good… Have to see how it pans out.

So far? One game against 3rd stringers on the other worst team in the league? I believe none of those players went to a probowl except Judon who was a pro bowler before coming here.

 

[gobesmug]

Vrabel….Judon …Ninko….van Noy ...and several others did little on other teams but then came here and became pro bowl or really good in a different scheme/role…. so far he looks good… Have to see how it pans out.

That was when we had Belicheck. No one was better than Belichick when it came to scheming defensive players to their highest skill set.

Mayo hasn't proven to have the same ability. Not keeping a cornerstone defensive player when we had the cap space was stupid.

 

[sb1]

Do you think this team is going to get to the playoffs?

If they had the right QB 2021 woks have been a springboard. If you did it now, you surround your new franchise qb with more talent increasing his chances of success.

Can you link that report?

They did have the QB, that is until the former HC who is .428 without Brady lost his marbles and hired MP and Judge to turn the QB and his offense into a clown show.

Don't know why people think the Patriots had this great defense that just needed the QB to contend. They don't.