Fear of Maye getting hurt is a dumb reason to not give him snaps

[Kasmir]

Jim Plunkett was never a JAG. He always had elite talent, he just got his ass kicked all game every game when he was on the Patriots. It took a bit to over come his injuries, he was able to play to his potential in Oakland. The difference between Plunkett and Brady vs the QB's that failed under similar circumstances is that they were mentally tough. Brady worked his ass off to minimize his contributions to the sack total by making quicker, more decisive decisions. Plunkett endeavored to persevere and kept going until his chance came. I don't see Wilson learning anything from the Jets, it sounds like he is still making the same mistakes.

Grogan us the one who made Plunkett expendable. That man played with heart. In my mind, second only to Brady among Pats QB's.

 

[Boomer B]

Don’t know what Mayo was thinking. Williams, Daniels, Pennix, etc… all played multiple drives for their teams. Rookies need to get used to the NFL game speed, they need to get used to calling the plays, communication, etc… they need to do it in the game situations, not controlled practices. What did Maye get out of 6 snaps? Really didn’t make any sense and the crowd was right to boo.

And the excuse that they were protecting him because of the o-line is ridiculous. The Panthers, the worst team in the league, sat 30 players. We can’t trust our o-line against the 3rd and 4th stringers of the Panthers?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

We can’t trust our o-line against the 3rd and 4th stringers of the Panthers?

Based on what we saw in the pre-season game, I am going to say, "No".

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Based on the QB ranking from PFF

PFF Quarterback Rankings: All 32 starters ahead of the 2024 NFL season

8 of the top 10 QBs have played multiple games during their rookie year. And 11 of the top 15

 

[1960Pats]

the number of snaps Maye got is an answer to the question - Is he ready?

He's not ready.

If Drake Maye had shown that he was ready in practice/camp, he would have played more.

As you said, this is going to be a loooooong rebuild, No need to rush it in game 1. Mayo is being deliberate with his development - which is a good thing.

Brissett and Maye both only played one series. I take that as they're both ready. And at this point in the pre-season they all looked okay.

I noticed that Maye seems to have lost that little hitch he had before he started to throw.

I was surprised at how well the team played on both sides of the ball.

The beauty of the NYFL is that every season is a new one and plenty of changes can be made. If Maye turns out to be the real deal they could be in the hunt sooner than youns think.

 

[Pape]

Based on the QB ranking from PFF

PFF Quarterback Rankings: All 32 starters ahead of the 2024 NFL season

8 of the top 10 QBs have played multiple games during their rookie year. And 11 of the top 15

and?

how do you know Maye won't start/play in multiple games in his rookie year? You don't. No one does. Based on what we've seen, I'd rather Mayo keep him out of the line of fire until 1) he learns to correct his footwork under center 2) the line is solidified into a decent rotation 3) they feel he is ready.

The should not play him because they are a 'feeling pressure' from the fan base or the medai... and I fear that is exactly whats happening now.

Mayo needs to grow a set of balls and just lay it out as plain as he can - Drake Maye will play when the coaching staff feels he is ready, and not before. Instead we get placating answers... which drives me effing crazy.

We know Brissett is going to be the starter. The only way that wasn't going to happen is if Maye distinguished himself in OTAs and Camp... That has not happened yet.

Brisket was brought in to be an interim starter. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

 

[Pape]

Brissett and Maye both only played one series. I take that as they're both ready. And at this point in the pre-season they all looked okay.

I noticed that Maye seems to have lost that little hitch he had before he started to throw.

I was surprised at how well the team played on both sides of the ball.

The beauty of the NYFL is that every season is a new one and plenty of changes can be made. If Maye turns out to be the real deal they could be in the hunt sooner than youns think.

I took it as the coaching staff was learning how to get their feet wet - one of the main points, that has been completely overlooked, that was brought out in the pressers was about coaching communication. The staff itself needs work and experience. They limited the exposure of the prize and the interim starter while they were feeling out working in in-game situations.

On top of that, keep in mind we played the Panthers. the team with the worst roster in the league and a just like us, a rookie head coach and brand new staff.

This week will give you a better idea of how far along everyone is in this rebuild when we practice with and go up against a veteran team with an experienced coaching staff.

No need to rush it along. Get it right. Build a solid foundation first - Long haul > short term feel good

 

[KCSVEN]

How much better could Warner have done beyond winning the MVP and Superbowl his first year? Again it's proven sitting does nothing to hurt.

It didn't hurt Joe Montana, Tom Brady or Mahomes. You know the 3 GOATs.

And again, as proven in Warner's case, sitting this year won't prevent Maye from winning the superbowl and MVP next season.

That's not the question. Who is a better QB today? We already have this answer. Tell me you'd start Jacoby Brissett last year over C J Stroud? This is what we are comparing, last year Brissett vs last year Stroud, accept, even admitted by Stroud, Drake Maye is more ready to start than he was. In what world does someone start Brissett over Stroud last year knowing how it was? This IS your position. I don't think its defensible. Saying he'll be great in year 1 but there not winning the Super Bowl so let's just wait to year 2 and let him be great Just lacks all logic.
And the Houston Line going into the year was rated just as poorly as the Pats this year so the whole Offensive Line blah blah doesn't work either.

 

[1960Pats]

Maybe some should sit, it certainly helped Brady, Mahomes, Montana, and Unitus before they went on to become GOATs.

The reason those guys were GOAT had nothing to do with them sitting a season. They were just great QBs and could have been successful right away if given the chance.

I want Maye to start right away so he can learn quicker.

 

[1960Pats]

I took it as the coaching staff was learning how to get their feet wet - one of the main points, that has been completely overlooked, that was brought out in the pressers was about coaching communication. The staff itself needs work and experience. They limited the exposure of the prize and the interim starter while they were feeling out working in in-game situations.

On top of that, keep in mind we played the Panthers. the team with the worst roster in the league and a just like us, a rookie head coach and brand new staff.

This week will give you a better idea of how far along everyone is in this rebuild when we practice with and go up against a veteran team with an experienced coaching staff.

No need to rush it along. Get it right. Build a solid foundation first - Long haul > short term feel good

****! I forgot. I can watch the pressers now. Thanks for the reminder.

After the crappy run we had a 17-3 win over anyone sounds great, even a pre-season win vs the Panthers.

 

[KCSVEN]

Mayo needs to grow a set of balls and just lay it out as plain as he can - Drake Maye will play when the coaching staff feels he is ready, and not before. Instead we get placating answers... which drives me effing crazy.

I agree, The Problem is it speaks to questioning the competence of the coaching staff. I do not get what Mayo is doing here. I think they thought Maye was a project though the evidence in college was overwhelming he'd be ready day 1. I think they boxed themselves into a corner, they just Expected Maye to not be ready so they assume Brissett should just get all the first team reps to give the illusion its about winning this year. Now they realize they've sold this path but the path is stupid but we can't just switch so let's not give Maye 1st team reps, let's not play him in preseason, we cannot have the fans and media on us. If we put Maye with the 1's and Jacoby with the 2 and 3 it'll be so obvious, we can't do that to Jacoby, we can;t look so incompetent right away!

The only way for Maye to show he is ready is to play him in games, yet he plays 1 series.
WHAT MORE DO THEY NEED TO SEE?
We already know he had the physical ability; he can make ever throw. We know his footwork and mechanics are pretty much there based on recent QB guru analysis. We know the most important thing is there: the coaches are amazed how fast he processes. The say he sees the whole field. What's more ready than that? Jacoby can't process fast, Jacoby does not see the whole field.

I'm trying to figure out what people think he needs to learn? It's not mechanics anymore, the best way to keep the learned mechanics is get into games, get real pressure and see if you revert to old self. It's not learning the offense, besides the fact he spends 24/7 learning the offense, he can't learn it playing with wr's that run the wrong route, drop balls and a line that allows him no time. He needs all the time he can with the 1's.

People act like he didn't put of the best offensive performance in college in his redshirt freshman year. Yeah, he dominated college as one of the only real players on his team, but he had a minor footwork issue so doesn't matter because somehow his really good accuracy is going to get worse once they fix it? If he didn't fix his "mechanics" he'd still be better than Jacoby.

We know he gets snaps with the worst line in the NFL, the Patriot backup line, that he pretty much gets instant pressure on most throws in camp, plays with many backup receivers we know can't separate or catch very well yet Jacoby Brissett, mostly with starters, doesn't look better. You can already tell Jacoby will throw to Pop over and over, teams will shut that down and since he can't throw deep or with consistent accurately passed 10 yards the offense is going to be crap.

He had better college tape then any of the other QB's drafted. Yet Williams and Daniels are starting and Nix and Mccarthy are playing a ton of snaps to see if they might actually have a chance to start. Makes no sense.

 

[Pape]

That's not the question. Who is a better QB today? We already have this answer.

yes, we do have the answer to the question you ask, and the answer is Brissett.

Simple fact of the matter is you are confusing potential with preparedness.

Maye has much more potential than Brissett. No one is saying he doesn't.

The NFL is littered with rookie quarterbacks on bad teams that flamed out. Whether it was them not being good. Them getting injured. The team never improving around them. Whatever the reason...

Its one of the oldest, most often repeated stories in the league.

 

[Pape]

I agree, The Problem is it speaks to questioning the competence of the coaching staff. I do not get what Mayo is doing here. I think they thought Maye was a project though the evidence in college was overwhelming he'd be ready day 1. I think they boxed themselves into a corner, they just Expected Maye to not be ready so they assume Brissett should just get all the first team reps to give the illusion its about winning this year. Now they realize they've sold this path but the path is stupid but we can't just switch so let's not give Maye 1st team reps, let's not play him in preseason, we cannot have the fans and media on us. If we put Maye with the 1's and Jacoby with the 2 and 3 it'll be so obvious, we can't do that to Jacoby, we can;t look so incompetent right away!

The only way for Maye to show he is ready is to play him in games, yet he plays 1 series.
WHAT MORE DO THEY NEED TO SEE?
We already know he had the physical ability; he can make ever throw. We know his footwork and mechanics are pretty much there based on recent QB guru analysis. We know the most important thing is there: the coaches are amazed how fast he processes. The say he sees the whole field. What's more ready than that? Jacoby can't process fast, Jacoby does not see the whole field.

I'm trying to figure out what people think he needs to learn? It's not mechanics anymore, the best way to keep the learned mechanics is get into games, get real pressure and see if you revert to old self. It's not learning the offense, besides the fact he spends 24/7 learning the offense, he can't learn it playing with wr's that run the wrong route, drop balls and a line that allows him no time. He needs all the time he can with the 1's.

People act like he didn't put of the best offensive performance in college in his redshirt freshman year. Yeah, he dominated college as one of the only real players on his team, but he had a minor footwork issue so doesn't matter because somehow his really good accuracy is going to get worse once they fix it? If he didn't fix his "mechanics" he'd still be better than Jacoby.

We know he gets snaps with the worst line in the NFL, the Patriot backup line, that he pretty much gets instant pressure on most throws in camp, plays with many backup receivers we know can't separate or catch very well yet Jacoby Brissett, mostly with starters, doesn't look better. You can already tell Jacoby will throw to Pop over and over, teams will shut that down and since he can't throw deep or with consistent accurately passed 10 yards the offense is going to be crap.

He had better college tape then any of the other QB's drafted. Yet Williams and Daniels are starting and Nix and Mccarthy are playing a ton of snaps to see if they might actually have a chance to start. Makes no sense.

Maybe they need to see more from the guys surrounding Maye.

and college stats mean exactly nothing in the NFL.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

It would be one thing if Maye had played 3 or 4 seasons in college, like most of the QB’s mentioned in this thread, or if we had an experienced coaching staff or decent OL. But the first few weeks will be just getting the operation stable. Drake needs time to learn how to study film and call protections, see how Brisette manages it, etc.

 

[Triumph]

Right mid it looks like worse case 2 wins best case 5.
It’s very hard to find 5 teams this roster and coaching staff could beat.

1 - Cincinnati should be a Loss, but Burrow has had problems and the beginning of a football season is unpredictable.
2 - Seattle has a new HC and they are traveling across the country to play NE which is not easy.
3 - NYJ are cursed. I believe that they will sweep NE in 2024, but never underestimate a curse.
4 - Miami has Tua who is still a fumble prone INT thrower with tons of pressure on him to win something.
5 - Houston CJ Stroud could struggle in year 2? Brady did. The great Corky Mac did. So many times the next new shiny HOF QB crashes back to earth after his rookie season. Defensive staffs have had all offseason to break down your rookie season film. Some DC will figure you out.
6 - Jacksonville Trevor Lawrence has been unimpressive. Good enough to keep, but not bad enough to get rid of.
7 - Tennessee with a new HC.
8 - Chicago with a rookie QB. A franchise who has been as terrible as the Jets at drafting QBs.
9 - Arizona does not impress me at all.
10 - LAC Herbert did something to his plantar fascia. Harbaugh takes over a team who had a fire sale shipping their proven players away.
11 - Buffalo not sold on McDermott and the Bills have lost a lot of familiar faces on both sides of the ball.

4 - 8 wins

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Plunkett threw 19 tds his rookie season with the Pats. The most TDs he threw in a season was 20.

He had zero MVP seasons, zero all pro, and zero pro bowls.

You are entitled to your opinion. History says that he was a two time super champ. The number of TDs reflects the era he played.

 

[gobesmug]

The reason those guys were GOAT had nothing to do with them sitting a season. They were just great QBs and could have been successful right away if given the chance.

I want Maye to start right away so he can learn quicker.

I agree that sitting didn't make a difference. I also don't think starting right away would have made Trey Lance a pro bowl QB either.

Maye waiting a year won't impact his progression. He has to earn the starting spot, not just be given to him because the fans are to impatient to wait

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Grogan us the one who made Plunkett expendable. That man played with heart. In my mind, second only to Brady among Pats QB's.

At that point in his career Plunkett was a broken QB who did not live up to draft expectations. He was able to regain his footing in San Fran and finish on top in Oakland. I don't see Zack Wilson recovering from his start on the Jets to have similar success.

 

[gobesmug]

You are entitled to your opinion. History says that he was a two time super champ. The number of TDs reflects the era he played.

He never made it to a pro bowl or made an All Pro team. He was never an elite QB, just a journey man QB that played for 3 different teams, and played for a HOF HC with an all time great defense and a HOF RB for 1 of the 2 superbowls.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree that sitting didn't make a difference. I also don't think starting right away would have made Trey Lance a pro bowl QB either.

Maye waiting a year won't impact his progression. He has to earn the starting spot, not just be given to him because the fans are to impatient to wait

Ultimately sitting or playing doesn’t make a difference in the long run, but playing right away speeds up the progress.
When you are a team that already gave up in this season and the only real move you made for the future was drafting a qb, he needs to be on the fastest plan to development that there is.