Some juicy QB controversy or ….???

[Actual Pats Fan]

Zappe was decent against the Browns (even if his numbers inflated by YAC on one play)... but his Lions game is overrated by a lot. Didn't even throw for 200 yards. The defense handed his offense 6 fourth down stops and they only got 1 TD out of it. Stevenson also ran for 161 almost outproducing Zappe's passing all by himself. I bet Brady wins a game like that by 50 without breaking a sweat.

Perhaps a hot Brady during the second half of his career. In the first ten years, it's identical to dozens of those wins. Obviously, being deliberate and smart, not turning the ball over, handing it off for effective ground yardage and passing for less than 200 yards is not understood or appreciated by most fans (or most coaches, either). Brady handed off to Smith, Dillon and Blount, to name a few.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Every reason to think the offense couldn't have done that with Jones behind center.

FIFY

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

No reason to think the offense couldn't have done that with Jones behind center.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the Patriots would have won those six Super Bowls with Bledsoe behind center.

 

[sb1]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the Patriots would have won those six Super Bowls with Bledsoe behind center.

Zappe is not Brady

 

[sb1]

Perhaps a hot Brady during the second half of his career. In the first ten years, it's identical to dozens of those wins. Obviously, being deliberate and smart, not turning the ball over, handing it off for effective ground yardage and passing for less than 200 yards is not understood or appreciated by most fans (or most coaches, either). Brady handed off to Smith, Dillon and Blount, to name a few.

Yeah but in that game his game his offense scored 1 TD given six 4th down stops… that’s not a better offense than what they had with Jones back there. Brady would have lit up any team that gave him those opportunities no doubt about it.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Zappe is not Brady

And Jones is not Bledsoe

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Yeah but in that game his game his offense scored 1 TD given six 4th down stops… that’s not a better offense than what they had with Jones back there. Brady would have lit up any team that gave him those opportunities no doubt about it.

It's okay you apparently started watching Tom play in 2007

 

[1960Pats]

Davey was drafted in 2002.

You joined in 2012.

I was actually alive in 2002 and a Pats fan. I just wasn't here.

 

[Triumph]

I was actually alive in 2002 and a Pats fan. I just wasn't here.

That is the whole point.

 

[sb1]

It's okay you apparently started watching Tom play in 2007

Not at all. Brady also made that team better which is what great players do.

I wish I could find a game finder where if a team had X takeaways or on downs how many points they got off those opportunities. PFR did but it's behind a paywall now. Point is Zappe had little to do with the outcome of that Lions game. 1 TD in 6 opportunities where the Lions turned the ball over on downs is something likely almost any backup QB in the league could have duplicated.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

I was actually alive in 2002 and a Pats fan. I just wasn't here.

I dunno, I mean I suppose I was technically alive in 2002, I mean I would have to have been...

Maybe I was in a Tara Reid haze

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Not at all. Brady also made that team better which is what great players do.

I wish I could find a game finder where if a team had X takeaways or on downs how many points they got off those opportunities. PFR did but it's behind a paywall now. Point is Zappe had little to do with the outcome of that Lions game. 1 TD in 6 opportunities where the Lions turned the ball over on downs is something likely almost any backup QB in the league could have duplicated.

I disagree. Jones could definitely have found a way to lose that one, even with the Lions going for it on 4th down one million times.

 

[Thunderhead]

The Patriots are a clown show that will win no more than 2 games in 2024. 7 snaps for Maye, what a ****in joke.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

The Patriots are a clown show that will win no more than 2 games in 2024. 7 snaps for Maye, what a ****in joke.

I know you mean it and I do not like you being unhappy and pessimistic, but there is some potential here.

Which, apparently, will take some luck to start to realize.

Looking back, the Patriots have benefited from good fortune many times after utterly miserable starts, like in '85, '88, '94, '96, '01, '03...

 

[sb1]

Lmao

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Lmao

Sheesh we can't even get anything for him?

 

[lancerman]

I'll own it. I was in the camp cassel and 3 first round picks were worth more then Brady. I was very very very wrong.

At least you didn't say this:

also why would a team trade for him when belichik proved this year that it's the system and not the players