Damien Harris speaks out about the dysfunction on the Patriots offense in 2022

[archstanton543]

They did win the game but it literally showed they didn't need Jones to win. I still think that game ended his ROY candidacy all on its own.

All it showed was that throwing the ball wasn't in the gameplan because of the hurricane force wins.

 

[signbabybrady]

They did win the game but it literally showed they didn't need Jones to win. I still think that game ended his ROY candidacy all on its own.

I think other factors lead to his lost confidence way more than that game did. I think his quitting on coaching followed by Calais Campbell were way more responsible than anything else.

 

[captain stone]

They did win the game but it literally showed they didn't need Jones to win. I still think that game ended his ROY candidacy all on its own.

They almost lost the game at the end because of their inability - or refusal, really - to try to sustain any drives through the air, when just one would've sealed the game or at least made the Billdos take chances earlier than they ended-up doing.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

They almost lost the game at the end because of their inability - or refusal, really - to try to sustain any drives through the air, when just one would've sealed the game or at least made the Billdos take chances earlier than they ended-up doing.

Not arguing your point. Adding that this game was before the bye when Mac was still in his cocoon with gameplans that were designed not to put him in difficult circumstances. Whether it was frustration with this gameplan or some other incident during the bye Mac lost his nerve and never really was the same.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Bill got old and the game passed him by. He’s still the GOAT, but the game passes everybody by. He made bad decisions due to that.

 

[Wozzy]

All it showed was that throwing the ball wasn't in the gameplan because of the hurricane force wins.

Josh Allen threw it 30 times…

What it proves is that team won despite Mac, with a real QB that 2021 team wins a ring.

 

[sb1]

Josh Allen threw it 30 times…

What it proves is that team won despite Mac, with a real QB that 2021 team wins a ring.

Defense wasn’t good enough

 

[UrbanCowboy]

They almost lost the game at the end because of their inability - or refusal, really - to try to sustain any drives through the air, when just one would've sealed the game or at least made the Billdos take chances earlier than they ended-up doing.

Totally agree. It was a bad decision by bill that happened to turn out good. He rightly would have been crucified if they lost that game. And they were lucky they didn't.

 

[Wozzy]

Defense wasn’t good enough

2nd in points and 9th in yards allowed per drive, 3rd in forced turnovers…

Top three defense… not good enough, sounds legit.

 

[The Gr8est]

Truly the only memory I have of this dumbass’s career is him fumbling at the 1-yard line against the Dolphins costing us the game in Mac Jones’s first career start.

I remember that.

I remember thinking that was a really bad omen for a guy who you hoped was going to be our next great QB.

 

[TheRainMaker]

They did win the game but it literally showed they didn't need Jones to win. I still think that game ended his ROY candidacy all on its own.

It was the games after that going 1-3 is what sealed the deal. Had he played better and they locked up a 1 or 2 seed, he easily would’ve won OROY. The defense didn’t do him any favors getting bullied by good offensive teams - which has been a common theme going on for at least 4 years now.

 

[sb1]

2nd in points and 9th in yards allowed per drive, 3rd in forced turnovers…

Top three defense… not good enough, sounds legit.

You were saying?

Bills 47-17 Patriots (Jan 15, 2022) Final Score - ESPN

Game summary of the Buffalo Bills vs. New England Patriots NFL game, final score 47-17, from January 15, 2022 on ESPN.

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[Wozzy]

You were saying?

Bills 47-17 Patriots (Jan 15, 2022) Final Score - ESPN

Game summary of the Buffalo Bills vs. New England Patriots NFL game, final score 47-17, from January 15, 2022 on ESPN.

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You mean the game where Mac threw an interception on the very first drive. Then they went into the half, made adjustments, then Mac came out and threw an interception on the very first drive?

The D and the rest of the team knew they were losing that game. When your offense can’t score an TD until almost the 4th quarter and gives it to the other team multiple times there’s no chance.

Tom Brady scored and didn’t give the ball to the other team, Mac sucked… don’t be delusional.

 

[sb1]

You mean the game where Mac threw an interception on the very first drive. Then they went into the half, made adjustments, then Mac came out and threw an interception on the very first drive?

The D and the rest of the team knew they were losing that game. When your offense can’t score an TD until almost the 4th quarter and gives it to the other team multiple times there’s no chance.

Tom Brady scored and didn’t give the ball to the other team, Mac sucked… don’t be delusional.

7 TD allowed on 7 drives. Literally a perfect offensive game hung on our “top” defense.

The defense wasn’t good enough to get them anywhere near a championship even with a different QB and it showed. Period. Not just in that game but against any good offense that year.

 

[mosi's man]

I routinely read this forum and have for more than a decade. I have been a big Pats fan for fifty years and follow the team closely. This forum and how people argue, in my opinion, reflects the dialogue across the country; people fitting the facts into their own narrative.

I think BB is the best coach in team sports history. I think football is more challenging to coach than any other professional sport. There are more players, really three separate "teams" on each team, and more stoppage of play, so that the opportunity for coaches to intervene is more pronounced. Given this, I think BB, as the greatest pro football couch of all time, is the greatest team sport coach of all time. However, if you watched the Pats for the last 3-4 years of his tenure and you felt that they looked like a well-coached team, then you were watching a different outfit than I was watching.

The Pats were a dominant team on special teams for twenty years. In BBs last four years they were awful. Missed field goals, penalties, returns for touchdowns. Did Mac play special teams? The Pats defense, despite being above average, routinely made mental errors whereas top defenses rarely do. Jumping offside of fourth and one, too many men of the field, etc.. These were the kinds of mistakes that other teams made for twenty years and we used to chuckle about. Now it was us making the mistakes. And despite being statistically in the top half of the league, they clearly had difficulty stopping good offences when they needed to. And the offence. Not just bad; inexplicably so. Fans, reporters during training camp, our own players as well as other teams players all commented on it regularly, but given our history it was hard to believe our own "lyin' eyes). The teams was poorly coached. Did Mac step up? Did he lose his confidence and fall apart? You bet. He was awful by the end. But to suggest that somehow that explains all that we witnessed is hard to justify.

I think the Pats should put two statues out front in Foxboro; one of Brady and one for BB. As Tommy said, it was the both of them that allowed us fans the opportunity to witness a dynasty unlike any before and possibly never to be seen again. But Jesus, the notion that this team was well coached the last four years or so and that it was all Mac's fault is bizarre and just reflects people fitting the facts to their narrative. We do it in politics, race relations, etc.. And it's everywhere on this board.

 

[Wozzy]

7 TD allowed on 7 drives. Literally a perfect offensive game hung on our “top” defense.

The defense wasn’t good enough to get them anywhere near a championship even with a different QB and it showed. Period. Not just in that game but against any good offense that year.

Teams/defenses give up when they see they have no chance to win.

That's what happens when you go 1-3 to end the regular season because your QB sucks and turned it over six times in those three losses... then enter a playoff game with Buffalo and Mac throws an interception on the very first drive of the game, then watch him do it again on the very first drive after halftime. This is what happens when the defense sees an offense that couldn't score a TD or move the ball until almost the 4th quarter.

You suggesting a Brady led team looks anything like a Mac led team is a joke.

 

[Wozzy]

But Jesus, the notion that this team was well coached the last four years or so and that it was all Mac's fault is bizarre and just reflects people fitting the facts to their narrative. We do it in politics, race relations, etc.. And it's everywhere on this board.

Mostly the miss on Mac Jones draft pick, like 90% of it...

Here's a great example of the power of bad QB play. This the the 2017 49ers schedule and results. The last five games of the season I've highlighted is when JimmyG (merely good) took over, prior to that is a combination of CJ Beathard and Brian Hoyer (outright bad).



So Jimmy, despite being merely good, went 5-0 and roughly doubled the offensive output. A team can win with "great" or even "good," it will struggle with "average"... but it has no chance with "bad." Mac was bad. He led the NFL in turnovers whenever he started for any length of time.

Beyond Mac, everything else that went wrong with the team can be attributed to the collaboration that was announced in 2021. Bill was part of that, but hardly all of it.

 

[sb1]

Teams/defenses give up when they see they have no chance to win.

That's what happens when you go 1-3 to end the regular season because your QB sucks and turned it over six times in those three losses... then enter a playoff game with Buffalo and Mac throws an interception on the very first drive of the game, then watch him do it again on the very first drive after halftime. This is what happens when the defense sees an offense that couldn't score a TD or move the ball until almost the 4th quarter.

You suggesting a Brady led team looks anything like a Mac led team is a joke.

If a BB team “gave up” then maybe BB was never that great of a HC and all the more reason he should have been fired a lot sooner than he was.

Either way they never had a defense that could win them a championship that season, not even close.

 

[Wozzy]

If a BB team “gave up” then maybe BB was never that great of a HC and all the more reason he should have been fired a lot sooner than he was.

Either way they never had a defense that could win them a championship that season, not even close.

I get it… your “BB sucks” agenda is at odds with your “Brady has magic powers” agenda.

 

[sb1]

I get it… your “BB sucks” agenda is at odds with your “Brady has magic powers” agenda.

Do you think a team that gives up for any reason down the stretch or in a playoff game is well coached? I don’t.

That is…if what you’re saying is true that they “gave up” and the defense that couldn’t stop any good offense and got clown stomped 47-17 in the playoffs was really a championship level defense and it was all the QB’s fault they didn’t win it all.