An interesting list of what can we get from QB desperate Teams for our pick #3

[mgteich]

I’m willing to gamble on one of the top 3 QB’s? And if there were only 2 I would be wide open to trading down and seeing what happens. However, if you have a shot at a franchise QB without having to give up anything for it then you take it. However, that’s from a perspective looking from the outside in. If the team has fully evaluated them and come to the conclusion that they don’t believe in them then they aren’t going to take them. In this situation I would then look for a trading partner that really needs a QB, and is willing to pay a high price with high picks involved to trade with. If no deal can be reached then I would take the tackle, and I would think seriously about double dipping at the position with the #34 pick, and then pivot to WR with their 3rd pick. Then I would play Bailey Zappe all season so they will be picking top 5 again next year at this time, and try to get the QB then.

If they aren’t taking one of the top 3 QB’s because they hate them, and they can find a trade partner willing to give them a ton for the pick I would just see how the draft fell, with no expectations as to who will be on the board when they pick, and possibly take McCarthy if he ended up being there when they pick, but expecting that your player will still be there when you trade back is foolhardy imo, unless you are planning on picking Cole Strange all along, in which case you don’t have a thing to worry about,

Let'd be clear. If we don't like the #3 QB, we shouldn't draft him at 3. If that is the case, trade down 1-3 spots, and draft a QB acceptable to you.

 

[scott99]

After the '21 QB debacle; Zach Wilson #2, Trey Lance #3, Justin Fields #11 and Jones #15 I am skeptical of any QB that is highly touted.
Would prefer to trade back and pick up some draft capital as there are so many positions to fill. Look at Brisset or other journeyman QB to tide us over until the Pats find a quality new QB who can play in the NFL..

You can equate it to an MLB at bat. You have to take a swing, sometimes it’s a home run (Mahomes, Allen, Burrow & Stroud), sometimes it’s a strike out (2021). You never know when you’ll have another chance at #3 overall, you can’t not take that swing. Even if they take MHJ, it’s worth taking that shot.

If you have a chance at Maye or Daniels as your franchise QB, don’t trade that chance away. As witnessed in the SB, you have to find your QB. Not saying anyone can become Mahomes, but you could wind up with a top 10 QB (or top 5 even), and that’s good enough to get you to the SB if you support him.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Draft guys would say you are over drafting McCarthy like they said we over drafted Strange.

I didn’t say I believed it, I said if they believed it they should do it. I have serious reservations about McCarthy. Like Nix and Penix I don’t believe he has the making of a franchise QB. I do believe the top 3 haven that potential, which is why I would take one of them. My posts on other situations are based upon the Patriots not wanting the 3rd QB, and what their options are in that case. I think it’s obvious that they would be best off always doing exactly what I tell them to, but just in case they we don’t see eye to eye there have to be other options for them. I will tell them exactly what to do in another post. That way they can’t screw it up,

 

[Huckleberry1]

Let'd be clear. If we don't like the #3 QB, we shouldn't draft him at 3. If that is the case, trade down 1-3 spots, and draft a QB acceptable to you.

I don’t think any of the remaining QB’s are going to become franchise QBs, but I will see how McCarthy looks at the combine before reaching final judgement on him. And to be clear about it my real issue with the McCarthy discussion has not been so much about McCarthy as it has been the cavalier way in which some here seem to think that you can just trade down to 12 or 14 and still get him, as if no other teams are involved in the process, and no one would dare to take the player the Patriots are planning to take. The priority in this draft is to get a franchise QB, and if consensus is right they can do it without having to do anything more than make their pick at 3. However, if they don’t believe in the 3rd QB then they have to figure out what their best options are.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I didn’t say I believed it, I said if they believed it they should do it. I have serious reservations about McCarthy. Like Nix and Penix I don’t believe he has the making of a franchise QB. I do believe the top 3 haven that potential, which is why I would take one of them. My posts on other situations are based upon the Patriots not wanting the 3rd QB, and what their options are in that case. I think it’s obvious that they would be best off always doing exactly what I tell them to, but just in case they we don’t see eye to eye there have to be other options for them. I will tell them exactly what to do in another post. That way they can’t screw it up,

Thanks. I appreciate you sharing the intel. The Pats don't listen to me, probably because I am a d!ckhead.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

if it's not three first rounders and a third rounder im not interested.

I want AT LEAST what the 49's gave up for lance.

Just remember the less they drop, the less they get back. They wouldn't get much more than #35 trading with ARI at #4.

 

[NFL Mystique]

If the Patriots try and trade up to two, it is risky. Especially if the guy they wanted at QB would have been there at 3 anyways. Yet, if you don't trade up, and Wsh takes your guy, the clock is running and there is a risk of settling for a guy at three you don't want. So, not knowing what Washington will do is going to really have an affect.

I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Wsh would draft Maye. Now, I don't know anymore. I'm hearing Daniels can go in that spot.

 

[NormZauchin]

I don't know what the Pats would get for the #3 pick, but I say they trade it away unless they think the QB at #3 is absolutely going to be a stud. If they aren't confident and only draft him because you spend the #3 overall pick on a QB in a QB rich draft or some similar logic, it is stupid. It is still the third QB picked even if it is the #3 pick. Odds are one or two of those three will be a bust and the #3 pick has the best odds of it.

The bounty you can get for trading that pick could be huge with a lot of QB starving teams out there. It literally could be a trade that builds this team into a contender for 5-10 years if those picks are used right.

Like the Pats trade of Jim Plunkett to the Niners, which helped to build the great Fairbanks teams.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Just remember the less they drop, the less they get back. They wouldn't get much more than #35 trading with ARI at #4.

I would only trade with Arizona if their 2nd first rounder #27 was included. And I wouldn’t make any deal if I believed the 3rd QB was a franchise caliber QB. That said I don’t believe Ossenfort wants to move up. If Patriots take a QB then Harrison falls to them, and even if the Patriots took Harrison the Cards could leverage a trade with a QB needy team for more high picks, and still get a really good WR, as they run really deep in this draft. Arizona is probably fine with right where they are at.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Like the Pats trade of Jim Plunkett to the Niners, which helped to build the great Fairbanks teams.

That was a completely different NFL, You could build winners on defense and a strong run game. Now you have to have a high quality QB and a high powered offense. Don’t believe me? Watch what happens to the Patriots the next 5-6 years if they don’t get one. The only upside will be getting to see their first pick by 9:00 every year.

 

[Huckleberry1]

If the Patriots try and trade up to two, it is risky. Especially if the guy they wanted at QB would have been there at 3 anyways. Yet, if you don't trade up, and Wsh takes your guy, the clock is running and there is a risk of settling for a guy at three you don't want. So, not knowing what Washington will do is going to really have an affect.

I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Wsh would draft Maye. Now, I don't know anymore. I'm hearing Daniels can go in that spot.

With Kingsbury as OC I think it’s most likely Daniels, but I’m fine with Maye, he’s got all the traits you want, and he can become a franchise QB in the NFL,

 

[Huckleberry1]

Thanks. I appreciate you sharing the intel. The Pats don't listen to me, probably because I am a d!ckhead.

That’s strange. They will do exactly what I tell them to, and I’m a ****head too.

 

[Rob0729]

That was a completely different NFL, You could build winners on defense and a strong run game. Now you have to have a high quality QB and a high powered offense. Don’t believe me? Watch what happens to the Patriots the next 5-6 years if they don’t get one. The only upside will be getting to see their first pick by 9:00 every year.

Watch the Pats the next 5-6 years if they aren’t in love with the QB at 3, but takes him anyway and he turns out to be a bust rather than trading out of the 3rd pick and picks up several stud players and drafts say a Bo Nix in the second and he turns out to be a solid, but not elite starter.

How many top five draft picks have the Jets used on a QB the last 15 years? Sanchez, Darnold, Wilson. The Jags wasted top ten picks on Gabbard and Bortles until they finally got Lawrence who is a disappointment based on expectations.

Again, if the Pats love the QB at #3, take him. If they have doubts, trade out of the position and take one of the next tier of QBs and stock up the team with talent.

 

[mgteich]

I would only trade with Arizona if their 2nd first rounder #27 was included. And I wouldn’t make any deal if I believed the 3rd QB was a franchise caliber QB. That said I don’t believe Ossenfort wants to move up. If Patriots take a QB then Harrison falls to them, and even if the Patriots took Harrison the Cards could leverage a trade with a QB needy team for more high picks, and still get a really good WR, as they run really deep in this draft. Arizona is probably fine with right where they are at.

Why would AZ even trade with us? They might give a 3rd. After all, the world knows that we are picking a QB. If we wanted Harrison, we certainly wouldn't trade with AZ. All AZ needs to do is wait. In the very worst case, they would end up putting the pick up for bid if Harrison were picked at 3.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Why would AZ even trade with us? They might give a 3rd. After all, the world knows that we are picking a QB. If we wanted Harrison, we certainly wouldn't trade with AZ. All AZ needs to do is wait. In the very worst case, they would end up putting the pick up for bid if Harrison were picked at 3.

I don’t think they, would, which I talked about in a different post. The only reason I brought them up is that they are one of the few teams that have two first round picks, and it would take something like that to get the patriots to move, and that’s only if they hate the 3rd QB, which I don’t believe is the case. My money is on the Patriots taking the QB at 3.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Watch the Pats the next 5-6 years if they aren’t in love with the QB at 3, but takes him anyway and he turns out to be a bust rather than trading out of the 3rd pick and picks up several stud players and drafts say a Bo Nix in the second and he turns out to be a solid, but not elite starter.

How many top five draft picks have the Jets used on a QB the last 15 years? Sanchez, Darnold, Wilson. The Jags wasted top ten picks on Gabbard and Bortles until they finally got Lawrence who is a disappointment based on expectations.

Again, if the Pats love the QB at #3, take him. If they have doubts, trade out of the position and take one of the next tier of QBs and stock up the team with talent.

You don’t make decisions based upon the decisions other teams have made. What the Jets or Jags have ****ed up has no bearing upon the decision the Patriots will make. If they believe the #3,QB can be a franchise QB they will take him, if not they won’t. The one thing they won’t do is say” I don’t know Jerod,the Jets really blew it with Zach Wilson….”

 

[mgteich]

I don’t think they, would, which I talked about in a different post. The only reason I brought them up is that they are one of the few teams that have two first round picks, and it would take something like that to get the patriots to move, and that’s only if they hate the 3rd QB, which I don’t believe is the case. My money is on the Patriots taking the QB at 3.

fair enough

 

[Huckleberry1]

Bo Nix

 

[Rob0729]

You don’t make decisions based upon the decisions other teams have made. What the Jets or Jags have ****ed up has no bearing upon the decision the Patriots will make. If they believe the #3,QB can be a franchise QB they will take him, if not they won’t. The one thing they won’t do is say” I don’t know Jerod,the Jets really blew it with Zach Wilson….”

If the Pats take a QB at #3 just because they feel they need to take a QB at #3 and not because they love the player, they are no better than the Jets or Jags. That’s what bad teams who draft bad players do. That is my point.

One more time. I already said if they love the QB available at #3, draft him. You have doubts about the guy, don’t draft him just because he is the best available QB at the #3 spot.

Guys like Sanchez, Gabbard, and Bortles had question marks that had many teams saying that they shouldn’t be drafted as high as they did. But the Jets and Jags drafted them because they needed a QB. I am using them as examples of teams that used faulty logic that many Pats fans are calling for the Pats to use.

 

[Hyped]

Dunno abt. your list, Cousin...

But goddammit...I need to have a breakfast like that...