Bill’s first offer…

[oldrover]

I care more about my team, the Patriots, than individuals no longer on my team.

 

[Wax Frog]

the super bowl is really a non issue at this point, and realistically should not be part of the Atlanta evaluation. No coach has ever won the Super Bowl with 2 different teams. Back to competitive? That should be the goal. Then replace him after the rebuild.

And only two QB's have managed the feat, the first being Peyton Manning followed by Tom Brady.

I can't speak for BB but (unless he is losing his mind) I could see him taking that approach. Go in, set them up with a good foundation and a transition plan.

 

[Pape]

I can't speak for BB but (unless he is losing his mind) I could see him taking that approach. Go in, set them up with a good foundation and a transition plan.

he is dedicated to winning.

 

[upstater1]

I was gonna include the OL as well which just further proves the point. I mean look at the 'weapons' you've listed:

Sanu - 2nd round pick for this fat ****? lolol
Harry - whatare you trying to suggest here, that we tried? I think he's one of the few things the forum can all agree on, utter garbage.
AB - how many games did he play again? How much did we get to use him with Tom before Bob pulled the trigger?
Dorsett - somehow the best of the lot but that's not saying much. Not a bad player, likeable but christ that's not enough to keep Tom around and win a SB.
Edelman- if anything he was the one on the wane. Can't remember if it was that season but mans hands turned to bricks.

Either way, the point is it was never on Brady and I'm surprised so many thought that. Media are sharks, they were just desperate for it to be true, they're not genuine they just throw **** at a wall n hope it sticks.

I don't know how I could've been any clearer.

I'm suggesting they threw a 1st, a 2nd, a 4th and 2 6th round picks at veteran WRs and a rookie in order to give Tom weapons.

Sometimes in life things happen, an injury, a draft bust, your star WR decides to ask his friends to threaten children over the internet, etc. Edelman caught 100 balls for over 1,100 yards in 13 games (same production as any other year) before he tore his ACL.

If anything, wasting these picks on vets for one last go round impacted the team in future years. Sometimes every move busts, sometimes all your OL get hurt, and sometimes it's also true that some of those moves (Sanu, Brown) were made to appease Tom, a guy who then got mad that the kid-threatener was cut (and who later invited the guy to live with his family, incredibly!) and who wanted a replacement after the kid-threatener was cut, NEVER MIND that he was already out the door and maybe headed to Miami, our archrival!

I'm not saying Belichick had no had in this since the bad blood occurred from sidelining Guerrero, contract squabble of the previous year, and other minor things, BUT it happened. 2019 the writing was on the wall.

 

[Santi]

I'm suggesting they threw a 1st, a 2nd, a 4th and 2 6th round picks at veteran WRs and a rookie in order to give Tom weapons.

So you thought those were good moves yeah? Superbowl contending moves?

Didn't need hindsight to see they were nothing special. The only remotely special one was AB and he played 1 game. Plus we got him because Tom begged for him.

Tbh with comments like this:

2019 the writing was on the wall.

I'm not sure we're even talking the same topic. If you think any of the above suggests Brady was done then I don't know what to say. You seem to be more talking about the relationship and the combination of Bill/Brady which wasn't really the point, just my preference that they'd stayed together.

 

[upstater1]

So you thought those were good moves yeah? Superbowl contending moves?

Didn't need hindsight to see they were nothing special. The only remotely special one was AB and he played 1 game. Plus we got him because Tom begged for him.

I'm not understanding why you're not understanding what I wrote. They put a lot of resources, TOO MUCH, into giving Tom weapons. Some of the resources were things Tom demanded (Sanu, AB) and the fact they didn't work out is on all of them, BB, the Krafts and Tom Brady. Because they pressured the situation into something that was not good for the long term health of the Patriots.

Now, I don't know what I would have done. They were probably looking at one last go round toward a Super Bowl.

But in hindsight, giving up so much draft capital when your OL is completely injured, and your QB is acting a little pissy (largely because everyone knew he was on the way out anyway), it was a bad idea. The whole Tom and AB thing was sordid, even Tom's reaction to it all.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Some stuff from Florio: Arthur Blank, Bill Belichick meeting on a one-on-one basis says a lot
The interesting items are:

1. - a belief in league circles that Atlanta will happen
2. - a belief in league circles that both the Eagles and Cowboys reached out to Belichick and were turned down, before deciding to stick with their current coaches,
3. - a belief that the reason for that is that Belichick is done dealing with big-market media (apparently they think Atlanta is small market, despite what I posted yesterday)

Doesn’t indicate any direct sources, just what he’s hearing other disinterested parties say.

 

[Santi]

I'm not understanding why you're not understanding what I wrote. They put a lot of resources, TOO MUCH, into giving Tom weapons. Some of the resources were things Tom demanded (Sanu, AB) and the fact they didn't work out is on all of them, BB, the Krafts and Tom Brady. Because they pressured the situation into something that was not good for the long term health of the Patriots.

Now, I don't know what I would have done. They were probably looking at one last go round toward a Super Bowl.

But in hindsight, giving up so much draft capital when your OL is completely injured, and your QB is acting a little pissy (largely because everyone knew he was on the way out anyway), it was a bad idea. The whole Tom and AB thing was sordid, even Tom's reaction to it all.

I'm not understanding why you're talking from a completely different point, then banging on like I'm not understanding what you're saying? Maybe if you talk about the point it'd help.

I don't care what they spent to give him **** weapons, he had nobody good to throw to bar AB for one game and Edelman as normal. Now my point from the off was that it was obviously not Brady turning ****, are you saying it was? And standing by that now? Jesus wept.

Why you keep banging on about whether it was a good idea for one last go around I've got no idea, its completely irrelevant to whether Tom was good or not in 2019. If you thought he was fading then, you were mad then. If you still think it now, you're even more mad.

 

[TommyD4207]

Some stuff from Florio: Arthur Blank, Bill Belichick meeting on a one-on-one basis says a lot
The interesting items are:

1. - a belief in league circles that Atlanta will happen
2. - a belief in league circles that both the Eagles and Cowboys reached out to Belichick and were turned down, before deciding to stick with their current coaches,
3. - a belief that the reason for that is that Belichick is done dealing with big-market media (apparently they think Atlanta is small market, despite what I posted yesterday)

Doesn’t indicate any direct sources, just what he’s hearing other disinterested parties say.

It's a big media market, with a yay-hoo media.

 

[h0c2000]

I've got a little vengeful streak in me.
Don't judge me too harshly.

 

[Patsgofor4]

I've got a little vengeful streak in me.
Don't judge me too harshly.

A V word does come to mind when it comes to you but it isn’t vengeful.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Some stuff from Florio: Arthur Blank, Bill Belichick meeting on a one-on-one basis says a lot
The interesting items are:

1. - a belief in league circles that Atlanta will happen
2. - a belief in league circles that both the Eagles and Cowboys reached out to Belichick and were turned down, before deciding to stick with their current coaches,
3. - a belief that the reason for that is that Belichick is done dealing with big-market media (apparently they think Atlanta is small market, despite what I posted yesterday)

Doesn’t indicate any direct sources, just what he’s hearing other disinterested parties say.

Those reports will be dismissed by many here because it doesn’t fit the current narrative that the Falcons were the only team that wants Bill, ignoring the fact that Bill would never publicly acknowledge that he declined an invitation to interview for any of the available jobs, and there would be no benefit for those teams to publicly devolves that information.

The narrative that Bill is too old and that nobody wants him and that the game has passed by and that he is only taking the Falcons job because he has no other options is much tastier to the Hoodie Hater Club than the (more likely) possibility that Bill saw the handwriting on the wall in Foxboro long before media members or fans did, has been doing his research for weeks about potential job openings using his myriad of contacts across the league (including two close friends who were former members of the Falcons front office) and determined that Atlanta is his preferred destination.

Those who think that his interview with the Falcons last week was the first contact he has had with Blank about the head coaching job are either naïve or dense. Nobody plans for the future like BB, whether that involves free agency or the salary cap….or his future home as a head coach.

 

[upstater1]

I'm not understanding why you're talking from a completely different point, then banging on like I'm not understanding what you're saying? Maybe if you talk about the point it'd help.

I don't care what they spent to give him **** weapons, he had nobody good to throw to bar AB for one game and Edelman as normal. Now my point from the off was that it was obviously not Brady turning ****, are you saying it was? And standing by that now? Jesus wept.

Why you keep banging on about whether it was a good idea for one last go around I've got no idea, its completely irrelevant to whether Tom was good or not in 2019. If you thought he was fading then, you were mad then. If you still think it now, you're even more mad.

Tom was gone already. He was gone. I was one of the few here saying he still had it. I'll find my posts if you want. But I was already looking at reality. The break up already happened the prior year. His antics in 2019 were unbecoming for him, everything from yelling at everyone, showing a ton of frustration, to getting mad that the crazy child-threatener was cut. There was no way to salvage this either since all the old players were leaving in the next couple of years, and the team clearly needed a total rebuild. Trading picks for veterans to appease Tom, which I'm assuming would be the likely outcome of keeping him, would've been counterproductive.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Turned down the Eagles/Cowboys, and then chooses to be coach in Atlanta?

I don't believe that for a minute.

 

[Guts]

I don't want to see a red hoodie

 

[venecol]

A V word does come to mind when it comes to you but it isn’t vengeful.

Was that your Halloween costume? Nice job, hides how grotesquely fat you are.

 

[venecol]

Some stuff from Florio: Arthur Blank, Bill Belichick meeting on a one-on-one basis says a lot
The interesting items are:

1. - a belief in league circles that Atlanta will happen
2. - a belief in league circles that both the Eagles and Cowboys reached out to Belichick and were turned down, before deciding to stick with their current coaches,
3. - a belief that the reason for that is that Belichick is done dealing with big-market media (apparently they think Atlanta is small market, despite what I posted yesterday)

Doesn’t indicate any direct sources, just what he’s hearing other disinterested parties say.

I call BS on those rumors.

 

[TommyD4207]

I call BS on those rumors.

All of them? Just for the record, of course.

 

[venecol]

All of them? Just for the record, of course.

The last 2.

 

[venecol]

So, you want to indulge your harsh vengence, but you don’t want us to be harsh towards you?

Got it, snowflake.

Lol, who said that? Bring it mfer.