What about Steve Belichick

[ahmed]

no his playing experience doesn't count as coaching experience. why would it?
so what? you think mike shanahan shouldn't have hired kyle? the defense is good. steve is part of why.

Yeah it is more important than grunt work. It is absurd to say watching film is actually more important than playing the game at the highest level.

Kyle Shanahan had many jobs outside his dad's organization. Ridiculous comparison.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

He was working under Gary Kubiak who was OC for his father for 11 years. You can just as easily make a case that Kyle Shanahan's hire as the Texans WR coach with subsequent quick promotions to QB coach and OC was a "nepo hire" as with Steve Belichick. And yet ultimately that didn't stop the Browns and Falcons from hiring Shanahan as OC, even though his 4 years in Washington under his father yielded a competent offense only once. So I wouldn't rule out Steve Belichick potentially getting an interview / shot somewhere should there be an opening and he choose to do so. Teams will do their due diligence instead of just blindly saying, since he got hired by his father he has no competence.

They may get their first shot because of nepotism but don't last long if they're not any good. To me SB looks like he knows what he's doing and will be in the NFL for many years.

 

[*ChungFu*]

I may be mistaken, but isn't Steve's Dad the man that gave Mayo every job he's had in the NFL I til this week?

 

[nextsuperstar]

Factual. Every single job he had in NFL was given to him by his father.

Mayo's 8 years as a player at a high level count less than grunt work? Lol sure

Coaching and playing are different skill sets. You may want to look up the Peter Principle.

 

[HSanders]

troy brown's experience as a player sure isn't making him a great wr coach. kyle shanahan played 0 downs in the nfl. i guess bb was a **** coach because he never played. seriously...this is one of the dumbest ever opinions to have that being a player>not =more valuable experience. some former players are good coaches,some aren't. it has less to do with their playing than it does with their other qualities,some of which may have been showcased by the type of player they were.

 

[ahmed]

Coaching and playing are different skill sets. You may want to look up the Peter Principle.

I was not aware. I am forever grateful for such earth shattering insight.

Now here is another one. A critical component of coaching is being an expert in said subject. Who do you think is more of an expert: somebody who watches games or somebody who played it at the highest level? Said playing also includes watching film and doing drills and all other kings of things involved in coaching responsibilities.

 

[nextsuperstar]

I was not aware. I am forever grateful for such earth shattering insight.

Now here is another one. A critical component of coaching is being an expert in said subject. Who do you think is more of an expert: somebody who watches games or somebody who played it at the highest level? Said playing also includes watching film and doing drills and all other kings of things involved in coaching responsibilities.

The best players are often bad coaches. This is true across sports. The players who excelled professionally are able to do things instinctively/naturally that others are incapable of accomplishing. They never struggled with the various aspects of the game due to their talent. They do not know what others go through, and have an inclination to believe others can achieve in the same manner they did as players. There is a reason why many of the successful coaches in the NFL were never players never mind star players.

 

[*ChungFu*]

I was not aware. I am forever grateful for such earth shattering insight.

Now here is another one. A critical component of coaching is being an expert in said subject. Who do you think is more of an expert: somebody who watches games or somebody who played it at the highest level? Said playing also includes watching film and doing drills and all other kings of things involved in coaching responsibilities.

Do these add to the expertise of coaching?
Stretching, ice baths, running, rehabbing, lifting weights, surgery, positional drills, calisthenics, etc?
Practicing and playing will add area-specific knowledge. Film study can add knowledge and may even lead to game-planning or wisdom...even if you don't play, but it helps if you do
Let's not pretend that playing the game is an extended crash course on how the game works.

 

[archstanton543]

troy brown's experience as a player sure isn't making him a great wr coach. kyle shanahan played 0 downs in the nfl. i guess bb was a **** coach because he never played. seriously...this is one of the dumbest ever opinions to have that being a player>not =more valuable experience. some former players are good coaches,some aren't. it has less to do with their playing than it does with their other qualities,some of which may have been showcased by the type of player they were.

Yep. Case in point. Ted Williams. The Best Hitter of All Time. Terrible Manager/Coach.

 

[RIpats88]

 

[Wozzy]

What made BB's defenses exceptional beyond great players was scheme, his defense was simply smarter than the opponent's offense.

Every Pat's fan should want the Belichick boys back here, if you don't because of their last name... you're a real dunce.

We have a BB defense personnel wise, we want the guy who knows how to run it.

 

[Kdo5]

I like Steve and would definitely still be for him staying. The defense was clearly very well coached last season and I’d be down for the continuity on that side of the ball.

 

[RIpats88]

I like Steve and would definitely still be for him staying. The defense was clearly very well coached last season and I’d be down for the continuity on that side of the ball.

I would be for it. some people think he wants to follow his dad and it would be odd.

but maybe he just wants to step out of his dads shadow and prove his worth.

 

[palialka]

ok, so he’s had offers from other Teams right?

He’s still under contract

 

[Kdo5]

I would be for it. some people think he wants to follow his dad and it would be odd.

but maybe he just wants to step out of his dads shadow and prove his worth.

I think Bill’s opinion on it will have a major influence. I think, as a father, the right thing for the Bill to do would be encourage Steve to build his own resume separately.

He must’ve done a really good job these past few years but by virtue of being the boss’s son he never gets credit.

 

[RIpats88]

I think Bill’s opinion on it will have a major influence. I think, as a father, the right for the Bill to do would be encourage Steve to build his own resume separately.

He must’ve done a really good job these past few years but by virtue of being the boss’s son he never gets credit.

if I was steve I would want to show that it wasnt "daddy" pulling the strings and calling the defense. Which is what he will always get if he follows bill

 

[Jim Beankie]

The best players are often bad coaches. This is true across sports. The players who excelled professionally are able to do things instinctively/naturally that others are incapable of accomplishing. They never struggled with the various aspects of the game due to their talent. They do not know what others go through, and have an inclination to believe others can achieve in the same manner they did as players. There is a reason why many of the successful coaches in the NFL were never players never mind star players.

I totally agree with your statement, but I have to look at Mayo's case, specifically, as it's been clear throughout his career that he's been a "coach on the field" - HS - college - even his rookie year with the Pats when he won RDPOY.

Ninky's statement:

“Jerod was a guy that was a coach on the field,” Ninkovich explained. “So he’d be out there giving everybody the checks, giving everybody the calls. We’re relaying the calls — that’s the easy part — but for him to go out there and just recognize everything and do it [quickly] because you have to do it quickly, he was the best that I’ve ever been around.”
That being said, to your point, there's still a huge difference between coach and player as Mayo has stated. This may be obvious to all of us here as rabid Pats fans, but putting it here anyway:

Quickly, Mayo picked up on the differences between being a player in the Belichick system and being a coach in the Belichick system.

“First of all, the hours, right? As a player, you get to get home earlier than a coach,” Mayo said. “There are nights where I had to spend the night at the facility, but hey, this is what I love to do. I would say some of the main differences, as a player, you’re watching a lot of film, and as a coach, you’re really trying to problem-solve. We’re watching a lot of film as well, but we’re also trying to anticipate what the team is going to try to do to us. And that always gets difficult. So when you look at the Super Bowl LVI matchup, they’ve had an extra week to prepare. There will be plays that they haven’t shown all year that show up. And so the players and the coaches have that confidence in the plays that they put together, in the plays, in the tools that they have to use on the field, to really have solutions for problems that arise during the game.”

 

[jdlboot14]

It's interesting to see this report from Breer - that "Mayo and Steve have grown close".
That's actually awesome to hear.
Because for the last couple years the rumors were that those 2 were in constant competition and had an abrasive relationship.
But, I think it'd be amazing if Mayo names Stevie B. as DC - for continuity, but also posterity.
Any kid that's worked for his dad for a long time, you see the potential chinks and blind spots, and he probably covets the ability to do some things his own way.

 

[upstater1]

He’s still under contract

That doesn't matter at all if he's named DC.

But even if he were DC here, why would the Patriots keep him here as a hostage? You want Belichick's son here as a mole?

 

[palialka]

That doesn't matter at all if he's named DC.

But even if he were DC here, why would the Patriots keep him here as a hostage? You want Belichick's son here as a mole?

Yeah, I want Steve to stay on so he can spy for his Dad lol! I think your reading into what I said a bit too much.

What I’m saying is that teams can’t legally contact him now otherwise they could be fined for tampering. I’m not implying in any way that the Pats want to hold him hostage. In fact, I read this morning that both of the Belichick boys have been offered to stay on staff and the ball is in their court…take that for what it’s worth.

No one is gonna be kept on staff against their will