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[Ring 6]

No. The chairman and the BoD oust the CEO because the last four years - which is what truly maters; is what is being evaluated and not the previous 19

Why would you look at an employee who has been the best to ever do the job and ignore the successes? That’s is not smart business at all.
What are the circumstances?
What changed?
What is the vision?
How close are you to that vision?
How has being a member of a cooperative that operates to create parity kept the greatest ever from being the greatest at every moment?
Etc, etc, etc

Narrow viewpoints lead to poor decisions.

 

[jimnance]

Last night affirmed my feelings about Bill Belichick

That his teams play hard, even in the midst of an 11 loss season

Mistake letting him go

Get him help in the personnel department, but keep him here.

I agree we're better off with him coaching.
The question remains: will he agree to giving up the gm reins?

 

[Ring 6]

I’m just comparing our offensive roster to an actual playoff team’s. Who from our offense can start for the Bills who probably are a playoff team. RBs? No. TE? No. Receivers? No. OL? Maybe 1 at most? The QBs certainly can’t. So it’s not hard to conclude there’s no argument to be made that sans lousy QB play this is a playoff worthy roster. No it isn’t.

And there’s literally no certainty when you’re talking about a hypothetical.

It’s a pointless argument. You are relying on your amateur abilities to make those decisions.
You left the defense out.
The brined are a playoff team, why aren’t you comparing to their offense? Or Pittsburgh, Indy, etc.

 

[RIpats88]

I agree we're better off with him coaching.
The question remains: will he agree to giving up the gm reins?

The problem has always been Bill the GM not coach imo.

 

[Ring 6]

This doesn't make sense at all. So the roster getting more talented doesn't lead to Superbowls?

So the drafting being poor and roster getting worse does?

It's been 4 years since we had our "reset year" and the roster is worse. That's not a successful rebuild

How are you measuring “the roster getting more talented”.

I totally disagree the roster is worse. It’s been held back by qb play.
The defense, all things equal, has been improving for 3 years.
You can’t judge the offense without a competent qb. Even Zappe who probably isn’t even an NFL QB and certainly not a quality starter has shown the offense is better than it was given credit for.

 

[Ring 6]

The problem has always been Bill the GM not coach imo.

I didn’t realize the greatest dynasty in the history of the sport always had a problem. Lol.

 

[archstanton543]

I didn’t realize the greatest dynasty in the history of the sport always had a problem. Lol.

All teams have problems.

How are the Pats doing this year? Their record would suggest they have a great many problems.

 

[sb1]

It’s a pointless argument. You are relying on your amateur abilities to make those decisions.
You left the defense out.
The brined are a playoff team, why aren’t you comparing to their offense? Or Pittsburgh, Indy, etc.

We’re not talking about the defense because the topic is offense and you’re saying with good QB play this roster is playoff worthy. Even though offensive roster isn’t even close to playoff worthy no matter who is QB and the comparisons to other teams should illustrate why.

And the Bills are in our division so it’s the best apples to apples comparison. But if you want to go there who from our offense starts for the Colts offense? QB? No. WR? No. RB? No. OL. Maybe 2 at most? Looks like the comparison to them isn’t going very well either.

 

[signbabybrady]

The Buffalo Bills are probably a playoff team. Who from our offense starts for them? Does anyone? THAT is how you define a playoff worthy roster.

And you can’t say “no question” when you’re talking about a hypothetical.

Henry, Rham, Andrews, Onwenwu start for them just to name a few. I'll take Pop over Gabe too.

 

[jdlboot14]

Good comments about Groh and Wolf. I could see Kraft telling Bill that part of his job is to begin succession planning for his eventual retirement by grooming both of them to become strong GM candidates, by delegating most or all of his GM responsibilities to them beginning immediately. Bill loves teaching, so that might appeal to him enough to be palatable instead of telling him he has to give up his GM role.

This might be the best description and plan. And could be the best chance at longer term "exit strategy" than just canning BB now.
Who knows if BB would agree - but if he's given the option to agree or "resign", he may consider it.

 

[Ring 6]

All teams have problems.

How are the Pats doing this year? Their record would suggest they have a great many problems.

And a knowledgeable analysis says the largest by far is the qb position.

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

Just a reminder. The Broncos were a playoff team, until they weren't. But this roster isn't playoff caliber. LOL, and nobody would start for another team.

 

[archstanton543]

And a knowledgeable analysis says the largest by far is the qb position.

And that's their only one? How about Special Teams? Kicker? The Oline is still a mess but better than they were at the beginning of the year.

But what do I know. According to you, I don't think the team exists.

 

[jimnance]

The problem has always been Bill the GM not coach imo.

He was one of the best gms in the nfl for a long time. Somewhere starting around 2017 his gm talents noticeably declined, while his coaching was still superb.
The problems began a couple years b4 Brady left and got worse.
He is still the GOAT coach and anyone who thinks it was just Brady is a football moron.
If Kraft proposes keeping him as HC but giving up GM, final sayso on personnel matters and BB agrees, (a BIG if), that would be ideal. Of course he'd have input, the process is always collaborative, but not final decision.
I have to believe BB is self-aware enough to know his GMing has sucked for several years. He also knows he means a lot to the fanbase and the team and doing this would be the least painful outcome for everyone. Unless he decided to just retire. We' ll find out soon enough.

 

[Ring 6]

We’re not talking about the defense because the topic is offense and you’re saying with good QB play this roster is playoff worthy. Even though offensive roster isn’t even close to playoff worthy no matter who is QB and the comparisons to other teams should illustrate why.

And the Bills are in our division so it’s the best apples to apples comparison. But if you want to go there who from our offense starts for the Colts offense? QB? No. WR? No. RB? No. OL. Maybe 2 at most? Looks like the comparison to them isn’t going very well either.

Why is the topic offense? The topic is whether this is a playoff caliber roster aside from the Qb.

Again, your lack of knowledge that leads to your opinion of “who would start” is irrelevant.
Let me illustrate why.

How many plays have you watched the Colts OL on all 22 and graded the ol? How about the receivers? Rb? Same for the Bills and more importantly the Patriots. If you are saying X player on the Patriots isn’t good enough to start on Y team, what are you basing that on? Be honest.

Do you disagree that with average qb play (really even below avg) the patriots would have beaten LV, indy, giants, la, wash?
I mean honestly look at the games, the poor qb play and the egregious qb mistakes that no competant qb makes that alone cost many of those games. That 1 change to average and a 9-6 record.

 

[Ring 6]

And that's their only one? How about Special Teams? Kicker? The Oline is still a mess but better than they were at the beginning of the year.

But what do I know. According to you, I don't think the team exists.

Didn’t say it was the only one. But when you replace that qb with average qb play you are at least 9-6.

 

[sb1]

Henry, Rham, Andrews, Onwenwu start for them just to name a few.

I’ll give you Andrews but Morse is good too and also quite a bit younger. Onwenu too at LG but not RG.

The others- no they would not start for them. IMO.

Even considering those 2 guys the Pats offensive roster unfortunately doesn’t match up against a good playoff team’s right now. Pointless to put it all on QB play.

 

[Steve102]

This thread.

 

[Ring 6]

I’ll give you Andrews but Morse is good too and also quite a bit younger. Onwenu too at LG but not RG.

The others- no they would not start for them. IMO.

Even considering those 2 guys the Pats offensive roster unfortunately doesn’t match up against a good playoff team’s right now. Pointless to put it all on QB play.

At the least you have 2 (probably 3) OL, TE and RB are at least equal. Douglass is there #2. Bourne is better than their 3.
So out of 10 spots at least you are better at 4 eqaul at 2 others and worse, maybe at 4 but one 1, Diggs, is definitive.

But it’s a stupid argument anyway.

 

[Toofy]

Let's look at things ina nuanced manner.

A. offensive line continuity. We are still one of the worst offensive lines and just kept a carousel for the line. This should be improved next year with sow, mafi, onwenu, Strange as starters and 1 stud LT who gets drafted

B. Wide receiver separation- if we can get tee higgins that can possibly plug the gap

V. Qb play - there is no quick solution to this. I noticed Parker having better chemistry with zappe and douglas also shining in. Hunter Henry and zappe are tied to the hip . So maybe Henry resigning takes priority if we decide to go with zappe . We might not win superbowl but with stellar defense and above average ST play we can definitely contend for postseason.

The teams who are healthiest in December win the superbowl. So if we build adequate depth we can definitely compete .


I think Mac just capitulated in a manner that none of us imagined . It's more an exception than norm.


Zappe floor should be that of minshew and ceiling that of purdy . I think we. An live with that considering the defense we have . Plug the offensive holes and health and get a WR1 and we should be okay.

Too many variables went against us this year . Who knows next year we could get moderately lucky. If the top 2 picks and the number 1 free agent addition pans out , we will be playoff bound in 2024.