BB watch

[RobertWeathers]

My gut feeling is Mayo is promoted to HC.. the Belichick boys would then have to decide what is best for them. I'm thinking Demarcus covington as DC.. Barmore has praised him for his resurgence. Billy O stays on as OC. Groh is GM, wolf assistant GM.. I'm telling folks Mayo is his own man.. he won't be a Bill clone in my opinion.

Might as well keep Bill then.

 

[Real fan 02]

Might as well keep Bill then.

Well.. it's up to RK..

 

[Steve102]

When it comes to his coaching staff I question his ability to evaluate impartially.

I think impartially is the key. I think he's happy being around guys he wants to be around. I think he knows when guys aren't getting it done (Judge, Achord) but he's more tolerant because he likes them. Maybe.

 

[Steve102]

If the CEO has 4 straight under-performing years but has a good Q4 '23 you still move in a different direction.

That's pretty good analogy right there.

 

[Real fan 02]

Definitely ag

I think impartially is the key. I think he's happy being around guys he wants to be around. I think he knows when guys aren't getting it done (Judge, Achord) but he's more tolerant because he likes them. Maybe.

Definitely agree.. people don't realize Jonathan isn't as sentimental as his old man.. he's strictly business and that's the way this should be approached.

 

[RIpats88]

Bob needs to look at like a business....and I think he will.

If the CEO has 4 straight under-performing years but has a good Q4 '23 you still move in a different direction.

but what if the CEO makes a big change and it appears that the change has the company in a better trajectory?

i'm not disagreeing. but I think it muddies the waters. with any other coach/gm its a no-brainer. with Bill, kraft may give him another year..we all know that theres more to it. but right about now, how much of the narrative has changed from "the roster is garbage" to "if they went to zappe sooner we would be competing for a wildcard spot"

 

[Real fan 02]

i'm not disagreeing. but I think it muddies the waters. with any other coach/gm its a no-brainer. with Bill, kraft may give him another year..

IMO he'd have to have a definitive, emphatic and transparent plan of how to get this team back into contention. Wich from my viewpoint is simple. Whoever, however get adequate Play at the QB position, add some pieces on offense and they are right back in the mix. No more of the coaching buddy hires, bad contracts to guys.

If he agreed to do that then I could see ownership maybe agreeing to it. However I don't see it happening.

 

[archstanton543]

but what if the CEO makes a big change and it appears that the change has the company in a better trajectory?

i'm not disagreeing. but I think it muddies the waters. with any other coach/gm its a no-brainer. with Bill, kraft may give him another year..we all know that theres more to it. but right about now, how much of the narrative has changed from "the roster is garbage" to "if they went to zappe sooner we would be competing for a wildcard spot"

The roster is garbage. Going to Zappe earlier might not have changed anything. Maybe they lose the games they lost with him under center. Maybe they don't. It's impossible to say. I mean, the teams Zappe has beaten haven't been the greatest. The Broncos are a middling team (how many 3 and outs did the Pats have?), the Steelers are a below average team. Zappe was shut out by one of the worst passing D's in the league (at home no less).

People wanted to talk about a "signature win" with Mac. Zappe hasn't had one either. Let's see him go up against a legit contender and see how he does. Buffalo is playing for their playoff lives so we'll see how he does next Sunday...but even they're trending in the wrong direction.

 

[Ring 6]

Bob needs to look at like a business....and I think he will.

If the CEO has 4 straight under-performing years but has a good Q4 '23 you still move in a different direction.

If a CEO has the best ever to go the job, and the organization is going through an inevitable downtime after the greatest period of success ever, he keeps the talent in place.
Of course the coach of a professional sports team in a salary capped league is operation under wholly different circumstances than a CEO.

 

[Ring 6]

The roster is garbage. Going to Zappe earlier might not have changed anything. Maybe they lose the games they lost with him under center. Maybe they don't. It's impossible to say. I mean, the teams Zappe has beaten haven't been the greatest. The Broncos are a middling team (how many 3 and outs did the Pats have?), the Steelers are a below average team. Zappe was shut out by one of the worst passing D's in the league (at home no less).

People wanted to talk about a "signature win" with Mac. Zappe hasn't had one either. Let's see him go up against a legit contender and see how he does. Buffalo is playing for their playoff lives so we'll see how he does next Sunday...but even they're trending in the wrong direction.

The roster aside from the QB position is playoff caliber.

 

[archstanton543]

If a CEO has the best ever to go the job, and the organization is going through an inevitable downtime after the greatest period of success ever, he keeps the talent in place.
Of course the coach of a professional sports team in a salary capped league is operation under wholly different circumstances than a CEO.

I mean, like Bob Iger's likely going to get fired by the Disney board even though he oversaw massive profits during his time as CEO.

 

[archstanton543]

The roster aside from the QB position is playoff caliber.

The Pats roster or Buffalo?

 

[Ring 6]

The roster is garbage. Going to Zappe earlier might not have changed anything. Maybe they lose the games they lost with him under center. Maybe they don't. It's impossible to say. I mean, the teams Zappe has beaten haven't been the greatest. The Broncos are a middling team (how many 3 and outs did the Pats have?), the Steelers are a below average team. Zappe was shut out by one of the worst passing D's in the league (at home no less).

People wanted to talk about a "signature win" with Mac. Zappe hasn't had one either. Let's see him go up against a legit contender and see how he does. Buffalo is playing for their playoff lives so we'll see how he does next Sunday...but even they're trending in the wrong direction.

You are trashing the trans Zappe beat (who would be in the playoffs if Zappe didn’t beat them) but no comment that 10 loses to LV, Wash, NO, Indy the Giants.
Wining against decent teams is somehow not as good as losing to decent AND bad teams?

 

[Ring 6]

The Pats roster or Buffalo?

The one that would have certainly won at least 4 more games with mediocre QB play.

 

[archstanton543]

You are trashing the trans Zappe beat (who would be in the playoffs if Zappe didn’t beat them) but no comment that 10 loses to LV, Wash, NO, Indy the Giants.
Wining against decent teams is somehow not as good as losing to decent AND bad teams?

Last time I checked, Zappe didn't start against those teams so there's no telling what the outcome would be.

As a wise man once said, it is what it is. There's no telling how those teams would have prepared for Zappe or what plays the Pats would have run. They lost those games and you can woulda, coulda, shoulda, them to death but they're still losses.

 

[archstanton543]

The one that would have certainly won at least 4 more games with mediocre QB play.

The Pats or the Bills?

 

[Real fan 02]

If a CEO has the best ever to go the job, and the organization is going through an inevitable downtime after the greatest period of success ever, he keeps the talent in place.
Of course the coach of a professional sports team in a salary capped league is operation under wholly different circumstances than a CEO.

Successful CEOs get canned everyday.. no matter how much $$$ they have made the corporation.. when things start a downwards trend for consecutive years in a row.. it's not conducive to lasting success.

 

[Ring 6]

I mean, like Bob Iger's likely going to get fired by the Disney board even though he oversaw massive profits during his time as CEO.

Is Disney in a competitive sports league, where you have a salary cap, employees who have an average of 3.5 year careers, competing against 31 opponents on an even playing field? Where you must draft new employees, where about 1/4 to 1/3 of your employees miss work due to injury? Where every company ultimately falls on hard times due to the nature if the league? Where every corporation is limited to how much they can spend on employees, and must do everything within an agreement with their competitors that is designed to produce parity?

 

[Real fan 02]

The one that would have certainly won at least 4 more games with mediocre QB play.

No one can deny the QB play wasn't up to Parr, however a HC is responsible for the performance of said QB.. he had no problem taking acclaim for Brady, so take the the criticism for Mac.

 

[Ring 6]

Successful CEOs get canned everyday.. no matter how much $$$ they have made the corporation.. when things start a downwards trend for consecutive years in a row.. it's not conducive to lasting success.

Name some that have the track records similar to belichick in a scenario where they have an agreement with their competitors that is designed to priced parity. Where there is a salary cap, draft of employees that gives preferences to the bad companies, etc etc
It’s an ignorant comparison.
Can you name 5 successful CEOs who got fired by the way, since “it happens every day”