Tom Curran: Sources made 'clear to me' decision to move on from Belichick made after Germany game

[moosekill]

Ooops almost forgot the low IQ's too! I can explain what irony means if you would like using small words.

 

[archstanton543]

The room is you and a bunch of the same whiney *****es we have been listening to ever since Tom left. I do enjoy the sexist period stuff, that is really mature, like most football refs I know, have to make up for small ****'s by getting to yell at kids.

In MA men can have periods now.

 

[1960Pats]

Define irony. You are bragging about how much more you know about football than Wozzy does, while telling us what an idiot Bill Bellicheck, a sure fire first ballot hof coach is, who has 8 superbowl rings and a superbowl defensive game plan in the hall of fame already. And your claim to fame is you watch more football then Wozzy does and ref college games.

You really can't make this **** up.

I bet lance knows that Bill only has 6 rings as a HC. Those two you're adding are Tuna Crap's. If you're going to do that you might as well add in the Ravens SB win, because as was pointed out here, Bill built the Ravens team when he was in Cleveland, even though it was actually Ozzie Newsome who was the brains in player evaluations on both teams.

@lancerman also probably knows that the defensive game plan in the HOF occurred 30 years ago with all-time talented players on defense, none of which were picked by Bill.

And as we all know the team has been going steadily down in the standings for 4 straight years.

The only thing we don't know is how many more years some of you want to give a failed GM/HC before you let him go. What are you folks waiting for?

 

[lancerman]

The room is you and a bunch of the same whiney *****es we have been listening to ever since Tom left. I do enjoy the sexist period stuff, that is really mature, like most football refs I know, have to make up for small ****'s by getting to yell at kids.

Listen you wanted to jump into the middle of a conversation and instead of addressing actual points wanted to be a ***** and cry about decorem. So you get to be treated as the joke you are. Maybe you should get the **** off this forum if you piss your pants because you had to listen to people say things about the Patriots that you disagree with. It must be truly distressing to you.

You didn't want to stay on topic and make things personal and now want to cry like a ****y, and that's what you are acting and what you are, while still trying to get your little snively jabs in.

Also it's nice to know you are thinking about penis size. Maybe the period comment wasn't all that unwarranted.

 

[lancerman]

Ooops almost forgot the low IQ's too! I can explain what irony means if you would like using small words.

Maybe you shouldn't talk about low IQ's if you can't figure out how to use the edit button because you are too stupid to finish your thought on a post.

 

[1960Pats]

BB had the pick that became Ray Lewis.

Got to figure that BB knew that Lewis would be a HOF LB.

Ozzie Newsome made that pick and was the main reason for the strong beginning for the Ratbirds.

 

[lancerman]

I bet lance knows that Bill only has 6 rings as a HC. Those two you're adding are Tuna Crap's. If you're going to do that you might as well add in the Ravens SB win, because as was pointed out here, Bill built the Ravens team when he was in Cleveland, even though it was actually Ozzie Newsome who was the brains in player evaluations on both teams.

@lancerman also probably knows that the defensive game plan in the HOF occurred 30 years ago with all-time talented players on defense, none of which were picked by Bill.

And as we all know the team has been going steadily down in the standings for 4 straight years.

The only thing we don't know is how many more years some of you want to give a failed GM/HC before you let him go. What are you folks waiting for?

It's not even like I'm saying Bill is an idiot or anything. I'm saying his record has been bad the last 4 years, statistically the team is very bad and we are the second team eliminated from the playoffs after a 4 year reset which means it's been a failure and we haven't grown. It's okay for a guy to eventually age out of his best years and for people to move on.

Idk how that triggers fragility in people.

 

[1960Pats]

Sean McVay's team won five games then had the biggest drop-off in wins from a Super Bowl winner in the history of pro football last season. This season they're an under 500 team.

Andy Reid's team is one of the most penalized (25th worst) and turnover prone (26th worst) teams in the league...

Are they ^ not good coaches also?

BB finds a QB, and magically he's good again... coaches can't win without good players.

But good players can win without good coaches. It happens all the time and always will. I only wonder how coaching became so overrated in the first place. The coach/player comparison reminds me of acting compared to writing. I've seen tons of 5 year old actors that were good but never a 5 year old writer.

The most incredible thing though, is that some fans defend Bill because he doesn't have players and totally ignore that he's the man responsible for those players. Bill the GM blows but we need to keep him for his coaching. Huh?

 

[1960Pats]

It's not even like I'm saying Bill is an idiot or anything. I'm saying his record has been bad the last 4 years, statistically the team is very bad and we are the second team eliminated from the playoffs after a 4 year reset which means it's been a failure and we haven't grown. It's okay for a guy to eventually age out of his best years and for people to move on.

Idk how that triggers fragility in people.

I don't get it either. The team blows, has for 4 years now, and there's one man and only one man responsible. And somehow it isn't about that. It ends up being about us being Bradyites or Bill haters or some other nonsense.

 

[VrabelJr]

I bet lance knows that Bill only has 6 rings as a HC. Those two you're adding are Tuna Crap's. If you're going to do that you might as well add in the Ravens SB win, because as was pointed out here, Bill built the Ravens team when he was in Cleveland, even though it was actually Ozzie Newsome who was the brains in player evaluations on both teams.

@lancerman also probably knows that the defensive game plan in the HOF occurred 30 years ago with all-time talented players on defense, none of which were picked by Bill.

And as we all know the team has been going steadily down in the standings for 4 straight years.

The only thing we don't know is how many more years some of you want to give a failed GM/HC before you let him go. What are you folks waiting for?

This is satire right?

 

[203Pat]

Bro context is your friend. That's all I can say. I never once said Bill Belichick is an idiot. I said he factually has been bad. The results are plain black and white. Wozzy loves to call people out and say **** like "you probably only started watching football a few years ago". Of course I'm going to give him **** on that.

Sorry that you are on your period. One thing I WILL give Wozzy to his credit is as dumb as I think his arguments are, he does stick to the actual topic at hand even if I think his reasoning is nonsense. You are just being a petulant child getting all up in your feelings. It's not cute and it's not interesting. You are hitting Andy territory. It's cringe as **** pissing and moaning. Read the room.

And once again, rather than address the actual points I made, you went into your little whining diatribe because you aren't getting coddled.

Team Bill launches into hyperbole any time anyone has any criticism of Bill. It always devolves into the same old "You think Bill is an idiot!" or "You think you know more than the greatest coach of all time!?!"

 

[Hyped]

1) If they get rid of Bill I'll party hardy. I think it's been proven for years that it's the players that win, not the coaches, and Bill has been a poor talent evaluator. If I had my choice I'd want him to stay on as DC but that ain't happening.

2) One of the beauties of the NYFL is that teams can turn around quickly but need to hit it well in the draft.

3) I don't really care where Bill goes as long as he goes. I think coaching is wicked overrated. As we've found out over the years even the good coaches need players or they'll lose. Bill may actually be the poster boy for that.

4) I think it's a mutual hate between Bill and NJ. I also feel that Kraft and Bill have already planned the future and it will be amicable.

5) Speaking of Slater, I used to think that he was a favorite of Bill's but when I saw a recent Kraft interview I realize that it was both of them who are fond of Matt's dad Jackie.

6) I'm starting to like the idea of bringing in a college coach but Mayo would be fine too.

7) They better induct Bill into the Pats HOF. Just don't add Tuna ever.

I agree...players decide things on the field more than anyone else, but BB is the greatest coach in sports history, IMO. Having him gave us an advantage in game planning, adjustments, clock management, and etc...

I mean many coaches out there make crazy poor decisions in crunch time...time and time again...

 

[lancerman]

I don't get it either. The team blows, has for 4 years now, and there's one man and only one man responsible. And somehow it isn't about that. It ends up being about us being Bradyites or Bill haters or some other nonsense.

Exactly. In what world would you not hear about a coach get critcizied with only 3 wins by week 14 that just had 3 out of 4 losing records and no playoff wins? Are we supposed to pretend it's the glory days forever or something?

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I look at him/her as a person of principle who's been worn down by the NYFL and is talking about giving the game up. Every one of his reasons for being disappointed are more accurate than your one reply. He covered it all very well.

It's all fodder. "I will stop watching the Patriots when the two biggest factors in the greatest dynasty in NFL history are gone." Pah-lease. If it means that much to you why wait?

 

[1960Pats]

I don't understand the notion when it comes to "What do you do after you fire Bill?" The same thing everyone else does. Interview guys and make the decision you feel is best. We aren't splitting the atom here.


I have said it a few times on here lately but I think Bill's approach probably would've worn out a lot earlier had Brady not been driving the message home in the locker room. Of course you will always have the outliers during the dynasty like Randy Moss towards the end of his time here or Adalius Thomas who became locker room issues but for two decades Brady instilled Bill's message on a player level. Now with no alpha dog rallying the troops you get guys checking out like Isiah Wynn or guys like Jack Jones who just doesn't buy in at all.

Brady also may have helped with the finances for other teammates by taking less than top dollar, which he had earned with his play at some point. I'm think other top QBs would have given Bill a harder time than TB.

So who get's paid more? The man splitting atoms or an NYFL HC. I think it's the HC.

 

[1960Pats]

It's all fodder. "I will stop watching the Patriots when the two biggest factors in the greatest dynasty in NFL history are gone." Pah-lease. If it means that much to you why wait?

All of the things he pointed to made sense. I can only guess but I think he said that it's been coming and it's probably a difficult thing for him to do. I actually did it with MLB many years ago and I don't miss it at all.

 

[1960Pats]

Kraft is about to turn his team into the Jets. Just watch.

Bill has the team behind the Jets in the standings. Haven't you been watching?

 

[1960Pats]

I agree
BB is at the end of his reign but I still feel he was the GOAT of coaching in the NFL
Others can just take the it was all Brady stance. We will never know it is hypothetical

What I do know is Brady was the best but BB helped make him that way. Brady could have gone to a team that misused him and could have fizzled before he could thrive. Brady did not have a rocket arm and had no mobility. He did have an uncanny ability at feeling and adjusting to pressure around him and was cerebral as anyone else at the position. He was also ICE.
BB developed an offense to play to his strengths and cover his weakness. We made dinking and dunking a blueprint to success

How many great players who were self destructing on other teams came here and thrived and praised BB for his coaching style and game plans. Heard many of them say the atmosphere here is like nothing I have ever witnessed. They also would say they are always put in position to win with his game plans and in game adjustments.
Coming out as a team. Always praising the rest of the team instead of pounding your chest. That carried future teams to buy into what made our winning ways. The Patriot Way

BB as a Defensive Coordinator was brilliant. Parcells would attest to that. How many times did he take away there strength and make them play to their weakness. Just as he played to our strength and covered our weakness

Personally his time is near. The game has changed and players attitudes are different. More of the ME and not the WE.
That to me means BB’s coaching style is mute now. He thrived on older players wanting a shot at a title and being put in position to win. They would buy in. The league is different now. It is turning more and more into a business than a sport. I think that applies to GM responsibilities now. He had some bad draft picks as well as FA signings. He also had some good/great ones. Just like every other GM in the league. I think because of the difference in younger players mind set it puts BB behind the eight ball picking players now. He has to choose a player with less talent to get a player with the right attitude. And there is far less of them now.

I wish he would just retire and forget Shula. He is the best even without the most wins.
Instead of the anger and hate for Belichick. Enjoy what Brady and BB brought here. A run that will never be matched. I owned ST’s before and during the run. I know what it feels like to suck. BB had a major presence in making us the Niners, Cowboys and Skins of my childhood. A dream I always had. But he took it to a different level. I feel blessed to now say I am a Patriot fan.

To those of you trashing BB and saying it was all Brady. I beg to differ. And be careful what you wish for. Sucking really does Suck

I don't think anyone says that it was all Brady or all Bill. The complaints now are mostly with Bill the GM and rightfully so. He's had too many misses

As a players first guy, I've always been a Brady fan over Bill, but as I've said many times, Bill makes less mistakes coaching in a season than many coaches make in a game. He's not as sharp now as he used to be but he's still a top coach.

No matter what happens, as Bendover Bob would say, we are ALL Patriots

 

[1960Pats]

I agree...players decide things on the field more than anyone else, but BB is the greatest coach in sports history, IMO. Having him gave us an advantage in game planning, adjustments, clock management, and etc...

I mean many coaches out there make crazy poor decisions in crunch time...time and time again...

How about the guy with the Chargers? Up 4 with little time left and a 4th and 4 at his own 24 and he goes for it. It was pure luck that they won that game when a Vikings WR tipped the ball in the air instead of catching it at the goal line. Who gets the most blame on that one? The HC, the WR or Cousins for throwing it too hard?

 

[Steve102]

But good players can win without good coaches. It happens all the time and always will.

Nope, wrong.

Going back to 2000, Your winning Super Bowl coaches are:

**** Vermeil, HoF
Brian Billick
Bill Belichick, HoF Lock
Jon Gruden
Bill Cowher, HoF
Tony Dungy, HoF
Tom Coughlin
Mike Tomlin
Sean Payton
Mike McCarthy
John Harbaugh
Pete Carroll
Gary Kubiak
Doug Pederson
Andy Reid, HoF Lock
Bruce Arians
Sean McVey

This is a list of the best coaches in the game. At the time, Billick, Gruden, and Coughlin were considered top flight coaches. Tampa went and got Chucky to get them over the top. There will be folks who want to put Coughlin in the HoF discussions. Harbaugh and Payton are top end coaches now, and they could be Canton bound. Tomlin will very likely be in the Hall when he's done, as will Pete Carroll. Pederson has righted the ship in Jax. McVey the jury is out. McCarthy gets no respect, but his team is in the discussion for NFC representatives in the Super Bowl. That leaves Arians, who your boy fired, and Gary Kubiak.

In this century, there's maybe 2 or 3 meh coaches who have won Super Bowls. Great coaches build great programs and that's what wins.