Kraft on Game Day

[venecol]

And three at the end, but Bill was the reason he didn't win more... sounds legit.

He threw one TD in the entire 2001 postseason, and one interception... yeah, he was a real world beater.

Never said Bill was the reason he didn't win more. You just love to make **** up.

How many QBs win a SB in their 1st season of play? That's all that matters. He's the most clutch QB in league history from the very 1st year.

We've seen bigger stronger better prospects get beaten down by terrible teams, but Tom and his unique athleticism at 21 years old was different.... lol.

More fantasy. Tom made it happen. That's all that matters. You can't rewrite history as much as it pains you.

I've seen the GOAT with Todd Bowles at headcoach, not so impressive. Every great head coach in history has a bad record with bad players... insightful.

I've seen the GOAT, with Bill Belichick at HC, pass for a record # of yards in a SB and lose. No **** Capt. Obvious.

Andy Reid with Kevin Kolb, Kyle Shanahan with Brian Hoyer, Sean McVay with Brett Rypien... it's hard to win with a bad QB.

No **** Capt. Obvious.

There are great QB's in the league now with Tom retired, there were other great QB's when he played. Football isn't going to stop now that Tom retired. The Patriots need to find a new QB.... it doesn't take magic. It takes draft picks and time to develop them.

And Bill has failed miserably at finding a new QB, making draft picks and developing players. Get rid of Bill and we can do all of the above.

 

[Wozzy]

Lie. We’ve already been through this. I’ve already posted the numbers on this at least three times. Regardless who cares that they had to pony up the lion’s share of Gilmore’s contract that season. That’s the cost of an all pro/dpoy at some point. Teams are paying balloon salary hits all around the league. That dead cap you cite is again highly exaggerated as we already covered, and they could have alleviated many of these hits by extending/ restructuring Brady and Gilmore. They felt both players weren’t worthy of Bill’s value system, which has proven to be foolish.

Only one who was the difference between 7-9 and 12-4.

Oh maybe you’re understanding the last point but I doubt you’d ever admit it.

Which they could have afforded.

But you’re a liar. Your facts are alternate reality.

They had all that space in 21 to defer 20 cap hits into if they’d opted to. They actually did this in 21 and front loaded for that season deferring to 22 and 23, which is why we are where we are, still paying for Bill’s all-in **** flex in 21 when he lost 47-17 in the wild card round.

They used the 25M on McCourty, Slater, and Thuney (as a rental.) rather than Brady. They would have saved 13.5M cap hit right off the too extending Brady. It was all about Bill flexing. Your arguments about limited cap space is beyond stupid.

Whether Bill knew it, whether Tom knew it, what Bill thought, what Tom thought, this is the reality:

Yeah... I'm "a liar."

The Patriots had $26 million in dead money before the start of preseason in 2020... which gave them the third most dead cap in the entire NFL.

Oh yeah, they also had eleven starters or major contributors that needed to be replaced or re-signed... including the QB, the most expensive position in football.

Spotrac and OTC aren't fudging their numbers so I can win some argument on the internet... unless you live in an alternate reality.

They had space in 2021 because of what they did in 2020, oh yeah, and were spending about 4% of their salary cap on the entire QB room.

Tell me you have no clue about the salary cap without directly telling it to me... good job.

 

[Wozzy]

Never said Bill was the reason he didn't win more. You just love to make **** up.

How many QBs win a SB in their 1st season of play? That's all that matters. He's the most clutch QB in league history from the very 1st year.

More fantasy. Tom made it happen. That's all that matters. You can't rewrite history as much as it pains you.

I've seen the GOAT, with Bill Belichick at HC, pass for a record # of yards in a SB and lose. No **** Capt. Obvious.

No **** Capt. Obvious.

And Bill has failed miserably at finding a new QB, making draft picks and developing players. Get rid of Bill and we can do all of the above.

Bill needs to find a new QB.

That's about the first true or smart thing you've said so far.

 

[venecol]

You telling me to go read what someone else said about the salary cap was you telling all of us you don't know **** about salary cap.

No, it's me telling you to educate yourself with a well researched and written analysis of the modern NFL cap by a CPA. Clearly you're allergic to educating yourself and prefer to repeat the fake msm narrative.

The Pats have not changed their salary cap philosophy at all since BB took over the team in 2000, it resulted in the most playoff wins in history and they're tied for the most championships.

Yea, things change. Rules change. That's why Bill has to go. He's a dinosaur unwilling to make changes.

Again... the Rams gave away every first round draft pick for seven years, took on a ton of cap debt and won a single ring... that proves the Patriot Way is a bad method.... genius.

Again, this has nothing to do w/ trading picks. You seem to be very confused.

Salary cap is posted on two sites and has been for years. I don't don't run those sites and their facts don't care about your feelings.

I'm not talking about those sites and you know it. You just regurgitate whatever comes out of Foxboro like a good little mindless soldier.

You lost posts above... you're just to slow to realize it.

Lol, you can't even keep up w/ the conversation so you deflect and move goal posts. You're a Bill ballwasher and think you need to put down the GOAT to defend his honor. That just makes you a ******ed Pats fan but you do you.

Brady's wife was hassling him and he knew the Patriots were broke. He understands the cap even if you don't.

How about showing some actual proof instead of repeating what comes out of Foxboro? You can't.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Yeah... I'm "a liar."

The Patriots had $26 million in dead money before the start of preseason in 2020... which gave them the third most dead cap in the entire NFL.

Oh yeah, they also had eleven starters or major contributors that needed to be replaced or re-signed... including the QB, the most expensive position in football.

Spotrac and OTC aren't fudging their numbers so I can win some argument on the internet... unless you live in an alternate reality.

They had space in 2021 because of what they did in 2020, oh yeah, and were spending about 4% of their salary cap on the entire QB room.

Tell me you have no clue about the salary cap without directly telling it to me... good job.

They were ninth in dead cap, and had they extended Brady and saved 13.5M in dead cap, they would have been 20th. Fact.



Brady’s cap hit was 13.5M. Gilmore’s cap hit was 23.5M. That’s 37M for the greatest QB of all time and reigning DPOY. Both wanted extensions. The team had a mountain of cap space in 2021 and could have backloaded their extensions in that year.

Instead, they spent their remaining cap space (25-30M) on Thuney, McCourty, and Slater, and spent all of the money during the 2021 free agency period.

 

[venecol]

Bill needs to find a new QB.

That's about the first true or smart thing you've said so far.

Bill has failed the team. He lost his mojo. He's toast. Need a new GM and HC. Then they can find the right QB.

 

[Wozzy]

No, it's me telling you to educate yourself with a well researched and written analysis of the modern NFL cap by a CPA. Clearly you're allergic to educating yourself and prefer to repeat the fake msm narrative.

I don't doubt he knows numbers, I doubt he understands team building.

Yea, things change. Rules change. That's why Bill has to go. He's a dinosaur unwilling to make changes.

The salary cap structure has changed very little since it was implemented. The Patriots spend to the cap every season, they have a budget and stick to it. This is how they remind competitiveness and avoided massive peaks and valleys for two decades.

If the salary cap didn't matter big pocket teams would simply outspend the little ones.

Again, this has nothing to do w/ trading picks. You seem to be very confused.

The Rams accumulated cap debt and gave away their draft picks, and won a third of the rings the Patriots did... but they're smart. You don't understand.

I'm not talking about those sites and you know it. You just regurgitate whatever comes out of Foxboro like a good little mindless soldier.

Those sites have the numbers for everyone to see.

I was posting on sites like this that the Pats were in cap trouble by the end of the 2019 season, long before Tom announced he was leaving... and long before Belichick went on WEEI and said what I had been preaching six months prior... and I have the receipts to prove it.

Lol, you can't even keep up w/ the conversation so you deflect and move goal posts. You're a Bill ballwasher and think you need to put down the GOAT to defend his honor. That just makes you a ******ed Pats fan but you do you.

I said BB should be fired for continuing to play Mac, I said it was a mistake to put Mac in last year after he got healthy... but I'm a BB ball washer. You're misinformed.

How about showing some actual proof instead of repeating what comes out of Foxboro? You can't.

I already told you, the proof is on Spotrac and OTC. You just can't read or comprehend... sounds like a "you" problem.

2020 New England Patriots Cap Table

The New England Patriots 2020 salary cap table, including team cap space, dead cap figures, and complete breakdowns of player cap hits, salaries, and bonuses.

www.spotrac.com

 

[Wozzy]

They were ninth in dead cap, and had they extended Brady and saved 13.5M in dead cap, they would have been 20th. Fact.



Brady’s cap hit was 13.5M. Gilmore’s cap hit was 23.5M. That’s 37M for the greatest QB of all time and reigning DPOY. Both wanted extensions. The team had a mountain of cap space in 2021 and could have backloaded their extensions in that year.

Instead, they spent their remaining cap space (25-30M) on Thuney, McCourty, and Slater, and spent all of the money during the 2021 free agency period.

You're looking at the end of 2020, I provided the dead cap before the season started. Read what I wrote.

Patriots are currently among the NFL leaders in dead salary cap space

New England spends more money on players no longer on the team than any single one still on it.

www.patspulpit.com

 

[Wozzy]

Bill has failed the team. He lost his mojo. He's toast. Need a new GM and HC. Then they can find the right QB.

If Mac was great we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

 

[venecol]

I don't doubt he knows numbers, I doubt he understands team building.

The salary cap structure has changed very little since it was implemented. The Patriots spend to the cap every season, they have a budget and stick to it. This is how they remind competitiveness and avoided massive peaks and valleys for two decades.

If the salary cap didn't matter big pocket teams would simply outspend the little ones.

The Rams accumulated cap debt and gave away their draft picks, and won a third of the rings the Patriots did... but they're smart. You don't understand.

Those sites have the numbers for everyone to see.

I was posting on sites like this that the Pats were in cap trouble by the end of the 2019 season, long before Tom announced he was leaving... and long before Belichick went on WEEI and said what I had been preaching six months prior... and I have the receipts to prove it.

I said BB should be fired for continuing to play Mac, I said it was a mistake to put Mac in last year after he got healthy... but I'm a BB ball washer. You're misinformed.

I already told you, the proof is on Spotrac and OTC. You just can't read or comprehend... sounds like a "you" problem.

2020 New England Patriots Cap Table

The New England Patriots 2020 salary cap table, including team cap space, dead cap figures, and complete breakdowns of player cap hits, salaries, and bonuses.

www.spotrac.com

Everything you said above just shows you have a very limited understanding of the modern NFL cap system and how teams like the Eagles, SF, etc. are taking advantage of it to load up their rosters with proven talent.

Bill keeps on being a good little bookkeeper and leaving the team devoid of talent. How's that worked out: 3-10.

 

[venecol]

If Mac was great we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

More fan fantasy. Mac sucked from the get go.

 

[Wozzy]

More fan fantasy. Mac sucked from the get go.

Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of posts from you saying this in 2021. Unfortunately it took time to find this out.

 

[Wozzy]

Everything you said above just shows you have a very limited understanding of the modern NFL cap system and how teams like the Eagles, SF, etc. are taking advantage of it to load up their rosters with proven talent.

You can't explain how or why... "because I say so" isn't how debate works.

The 49ers are paying Brock Purdy like the very last player taken in the entire draft. The Eagles are in the midst of "going all in," they just paid Hurts. You don't understand the salary cap at all... please.

Bill keeps on being a good little bookkeeper and leaving the team devoid of talent. How's that worked out: 3-10.

They need a QB and have all season. With a good QB the talent everywhere else would be fine.

Unless Zappe plays great going forward... in which case Bill was negligent, or Kraft twisted his arm to give Mac a chance.

 

[venecol]

Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of posts from you saying this in 2021. Unfortunately it took time to find this out.

I mean he was crying on the bench at the end of the Saints home game in Week 3 of 2021. I knew then.

 

[Wozzy]

I mean he was crying on the bench at the end of the Saints home game in Week 3 of 2021. I knew then.

Everybody Patriot sucks is probably your default setting.

 

[venecol]

You can't explain how or why... "because I say so" isn't how debate works.

The 49ers are paying Brock Purdy like the very last player taken in the entire draft. The Eagles are in the midst of "going all in," they just paid Hurts. You don't understand the salary cap at all... please.

They need a QB and have all season. With a good QB the talent everywhere else would be fine.

Unless Zappe plays great going forward... in which case Bill was negligent, or Kraft twisted his arm to give Mac a chance.

Not my job to explain it to you. I read that thread. You should also.

 

[venecol]

Everybody Patriot sucks is probably your default setting.

This sentence makes no sense.

 

[Wozzy]

Not my job to explain it to you. I read that thread. You should also.

You should probably provide a link, I have no clue what thread you're talking about?

Also the cap numbers exist and aren't open to interpretation, and the numbers tell the story.

Any nitwit can suggest spending more cash... brilliant.

 

[Wozzy]

This sentence makes no sense.

I can say I used to massage tanning oil onto Victoria Secret models for a living... I suspect you'd want some proof.

Besides there's a continent of negative Nancys here who say every draftee sucks and has no talent.

It's a lot like Colin Cowturd being wrong, there's no accountability.

You're the guy on a fansite who knows 70% of draft picks fail, so if you say they all suck you'll be right more often than not.

 

[venecol]

You should probably provide a link, I have no clue what thread you're talking about?

Also the cap numbers exist and aren't open to interpretation, and the numbers tell the story.

Any nitwit can suggest spending more cash... brilliant.

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