Ohtani (10/700) pushes athlete contracts closer to 1B

[FreeTedWilliams]

I have no problem with athletes getting paid.... owners make money far beyond what any of these contracts cost.

But in MLB, there's neither a salary cap or a salary floor. This has resulted in an inherently flawed economic situation. There's really nothing stopping a team spending. Neither is there anything stopping a team from NOT spending. To wit: NY Mets with a 353M payroll vs Oakland with a 56M payroll.

It's possible, certainly, to be competitive at a low payroll, or to be awful with a high one, but when you look at teams overall where they finish in the standings vs their payroll, the ones that spend are the ones at the top.

MLB has a very steep "luxury tax"

Competitive Balance Tax | Glossary | MLB.com

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it's not a "cap" but it's a penalty for spending too much.

 

[Brotherblues]

Whether he pitches like he once did going forward is a legit question. But he undoubtedly got this contract because he is/was great at two very important positions. Pitching and hitting.

Unless a star QB also becomes a great DE, we won't see a contract like this ever again.

We already have several QBs set to count 50M+ against the cap next season.

 

[gobesmug]

That salary is absurd... do not care if he can play all 9 positions at the same time.
Another nail in the MLB coffin..

The revenue stream for the Dodgers was 605mil last year, their payroll was 240mil because they were in the luxury tax.

They dumped contracts and now their payroll is currently at 140mil after the Ohtani signing for 2024.

So the owner for 2023 payed out 240mil to the players and had 365mil left over to pay whatever staff and operating expenses associated with the team.

So the owner is probably clearing a good 200+mill a year easily and this season could see even more revenue with Ohtani on his team.

The Dodgers are also valued at 5.4Billion.

Major sports make a ton money and the players are the main draw, they deserve what they make as the alternative would be the Billionaire owners making even more hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

 

[patman12]

MLB has a very steep "luxury tax"

Competitive Balance Tax | Glossary | MLB.com

The Official Site of Major League Baseball

www.mlb.com

it's not a "cap" but it's a penalty for spending too much.

True but the really big market teams like LA, NYY and NYM don’t care about the thresholds with the revenue they generate from TV contracts.

And they don’t seem to be bothered by dropping down 10 slots in the draft. They’ll just end up signing the high draft choices that pan out to big money deals once other teams develops the players into stars.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

MLB has a very steep "luxury tax"

Competitive Balance Tax | Glossary | MLB.com

The Official Site of Major League Baseball

www.mlb.com

it's not a "cap" but it's a penalty for spending too much.

If you're willing to pay it, who cares? Nothing stopping you. That's why I didn't bother mentioning it.

 

[Water Boy]

I’ve always loathed the bloated guaranteed contracts in baseball. I‘d never spend the type of money it takes to see a game at Fenway.

I’m sure the Dodgers are banking on a revenue return from marketing. I wonder what the net expenditure looks like.

I’d love to see a pay for play system where players are paid based on their statistics/performance. A payment structure for every team win, pitching win, save, inning pitched, hit, put out, assist, etc. It would make for a great product.

 

[festy1986]

Alot of corporate simps in here.

He's worth every dollar of that contract. Dodgers are making way more for their return aren't hurting at the gate.

I don't diss players for getting theirs. Owners get way more of their share.


That said. **** the dodgers for buying whoever they want whenever they want. You know it's bad when Sox fans think your spending is unfair.

 

[festy1986]

I’ve always loathed the bloated guaranteed contracts in baseball. I‘d never spend the type of money it takes to see a game at Fenway.

I’m sure the Dodgers are banking on a revenue return from marketing. I wonder what the net expenditure looks like.

I’d love to see a pay for play system where players are paid based on their statistics/performance. A payment structure for every team win, pitching win, save, inning pitched, hit, put out, assist, etc. It would make for a great product.

And how does the savings the owners make on such a deal get passed down to the customer?

It's so easy to say that the money will motivate the players but in reality the only thing a system like that does is keep money out of the players pockets and in the owners.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Same average salary the next top of the market QB will get so... there's that

Yeah, but the NFL salary cap is the same number for all teams. Baseball is broken af.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Except he’s not pitching next season and then who knows how he pitches after 2 Tommy John surgeries. Just my opinion but I don’t see him pitching the entirety of the deal and then you have a 70 mil a year DH.

Pretty much this. Where do you put him in the field? Outfield or first base?

 

[PATS16N0]

Alot of corporate simps in here.

He's worth every dollar of that contract. Dodgers are making way more for their return aren't hurting at the gate.

I don't diss players for getting theirs. Owners get way more of their share.


That said. **** the dodgers for buying whoever they want whenever they want. You know it's bad when Sox fans think your spending is unfair.

This.

If you don’t like it, shut the TV off with everyone else that doesn’t like it and they’ll be back to making WNBA movey. Crying about player salaries while wearing a jersey, going to the game, buying a 20 dollar hotdog and waving a ‘GO TEAM’ foam hand around makes about zero sense.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I have no problem with athletes getting paid.... owners make money far beyond what any of these contracts cost.

But in MLB, there's neither a salary cap or a salary floor. This has resulted in an inherently flawed economic situation. There's really nothing stopping a team spending. Neither is there anything stopping a team from NOT spending. To wit: NY Mets with a 353M payroll vs Oakland with a 56M payroll.

It's possible, certainly, to be competitive at a low payroll, or to be awful with a high one, but when you look at teams overall where they finish in the standings vs their payroll, the ones that spend are the ones at the top.

It’s been broken for a long time. I don’t think anyone had a problem when the Sox were doing it every year. Pretty much always 2nd in payroll/luxury tax. behind the MFY’s. Even as a casual fan you had to know that they were tops in spending and it was a huge advantage over everyone else when they won 4 trophies.

Now, they let 5 tool players like Mookie just walk away with maybe a below market offer. Pathetic organization for a team that still brings in a lot of revenue with a loyal fanbase.

 

[Patriot Missile]

So after taxes he’ll make >$30M a year. Still not a bad deal. Im sure further contract details will emerge and may lower his tax rate but not by much.

There was no way he was going to Toronto with their tax.

 

[PATS16N0]

Edit: Wrong thread lol

 

[TheRainMaker]

My Dodgers will find a way next post season to forget how to hit a baseball.

It’s been going on for 10 years now. It’s the weirdest ****.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

And how does the savings the owners make on such a deal get passed down to the customer?

It's so easy to say that the money will motivate the players but in reality the only thing a system like that does is keep money out of the players pockets and in the owners.

They'll have a dollar hot dog night or give away free items on some days. I went to a game in San Fran and they were giving everyone a BBQ set, nice spatula, fork grill cleaner, it was a very solid set.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

It’s been broken for a long time. I don’t think anyone had a problem when the Sox were doing it every year. Pretty much always 2nd in payroll/luxury tax. behind the MFY’s. Even as a casual fan you had to know that they were tops in spending and it was a huge advantage over everyone else when they won 4 trophies.

Now, they let 5 tool players like Mookie just walk away with maybe a below market offer. Pathetic organization for a team that still brings in a lot of revenue with a loyal fanbase.

The highest payroll ever to win the World Series were the 2018 Sox. Money doesn't always win though it'll get you in the game.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

My Dodgers will find a way next post season to forget how to hit a baseball.

It’s been going on for 10 years now. It’s the weirdest ****.

It’s always been WS or bust for you guys but with Ohtani thats ramped up x1000. Gonna be even more postseason pressure. I will say that if you guys get Yamamoto as well and still fail to win a WS that may cost Roberts his job.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Pretty much this. Where do you put him in the field? Outfield or first base?

Of the two he did play Outfield when he was in Japan so that would be my guess. Most likely it’s gonna be DH.

I wonder money wise how much he benefited from the NL adopting the DH?

 

[TheRainMaker]

It’s always been WS or bust for you guys but with Ohtani thats ramped up x1000. Gonna be even more postseason pressure. I will say that if you guys get Yamamoto as well and still fail to win a WS that may cost Roberts his job.

No matter what they do or who they get, the bats disappear when the postseason comes around. Opposing teams seem to find a way to pitch around them or make the batters swing at pitches they don’t prefer.

Pitching is a yearly postseason issue as well with Kershaw always getting rocked.

Mattingly and Roberts have had some awful in game coaching decisions that have costed them.