Is it possible Bill can save his job by benching Mac Jones and blaming the season on him?

[Ring 6]

The point is that the o-line didn't do their job in the first half. Triumph is trying to argue the talent around Mac is good with "two stud TEs" and an o-line that can't be "100% perfect on every play" to try to put all the blame on Mac and not accept with or without Mac, this offense would be a crap offense. It would just be varying degrees of crap depending on the QB.

I am not arguing Mac is bad because of the players around him. I am just arguing the players around Mac are as bad or possibly even worse than Mac.

You should watch the tape. Receivers are open and Mac doesn’t throw to them, or throws too late. Watch the film and imagine what an average qb would have done. Everything changes. Chunk plays actually happen, we aren’t 3 and out all day, the defense isn’t wilted from being on the field all game.
If you want just look at 3 drives that he choked on in the LV, wash, and Indy games.
Just a competent, average Qb in for those 3 drives and the team is 5-5 and in the wild card hunt and a game and a half out of first place IN SPITE OF him leading the league in Ints.
You can’t call the other 52 crappy when they are at worst a .500 team if there qb play wasn’t outright pathetic

 

[Vindicate]

Mac just ain't inspiring, if not completely deflating. He just seems... Like a doughboy. Best way I can put it. I've seen worse athletes be more and inspiring and in turn, help keep a team engaged.

How much do the players trust him? That's a question I'd love to have an answer. If you have a hard ceiling and aren't a "look at how I play and I dare you not to trust me" kinda guy, then you gotta find another way.

Edit (More info): I remember one of his draft notes was that Saban had to keep in check his tendency to get mad at himself. And I remember being worried about that. There are those who get mad at themselves and then use the fire to improve. Then there are those who are too open about that frustration and become self-involved, not realizing they're making those around them trust them less, and it's becomes a self-defeating cycle.

 

[rkarp1]

nah, benching Mac does not clear Bill
where is the competent back up QB? Bill has always said it is the most important insurance policy. why wasn't Mac benched sooner?
I think tape and practice do not lie. Bill (and BOB) see Mac makes some really good decisions and passes. but he also makes some bone headed ones as well.
his supporting cast have done him no favors at all
Bill thought Mac was fixible. seems he is not without an upgraded roster

 

[1960Pats]

he's the greatest of all time at producing continually mid, continually competitive teams, with an outlier superbowl title thrown in when he had the rapist......

Proving for the zillionth time that it's about the players and not the coaches, especially at QB. Meanwhile, our genius GM/HC decided that he didn't need or want our GOAT QB.

But the really important question is how the f**k did Bill chase Brady out with absolutely nobody to replace him? Why would he do that? It has to be that his ego was so big that he thought he could bring in anyone or he his ego was so big that he never thought Brady would leave. So which was it, his ego or his ego?

 

[Ring 6]

JJSS has been awful this year. And it isn't because of Mac. And he was not so great after he got injured last year. He was awful in the Super Bowl.

Rham has been awful prior to the last two games.

Henry is good, not great.

Geisicki is on track to have a better year than he had last year which isn't great.

Trent Brown has missed three games. His replacements have been awful.

Ownenu struggled this year at guard and only really played well the last two games when he was moved to tackle.

Other than Douglas, they have no WRs since Bourne went down.

And it isn't all on the QB. The QB gets all the credit and blame, but we saw in 2019 when most people thought Brady was on the decline because he didn't play well and in 2020 when he won a Super Bowl, that the players around the QB make quite a bit of difference.

Mac has seriously regressed, but he wasn't the one who made people run bad routes, drop balls in their hands, whiff on blocks, or cause stupid penalties.

Watch the film. Receivers are open.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Won’t happen. Bill’s fingerprints are all over the organization. How could anyone come in with Bill still here? It’s his scouting staff, it’s his coaching staff, it’s his players. There’s no way the Krafts can put someone else in with Bill still here. Bill’s influence runs throughout the organization. It just wouldn’t work and wouldn’t be fair to the incoming GM. Has to be a clean start.

He'll do it so his sons still have jobs. Where could they possibly go with Bill's connections now evaporating around the NFL? I could see Bob allowing Piloi, Dimetroff, or Robinson to return now as the GM and they are now the decision makers for player personnel. They best understand what Bill is looking for, they'll just eye guys who actually have talent. If Bill doesn't allow it, then they most likely part ways. The real test is to see if Bob is willing to part ways with Bill with his contract guaranteed for a year or two left remaining.

It's crazy how this is the Parcells situation coming full circle again.

 

[HSanders]

Not really but this is belittling him:

Bill Vs. Marv: May Become Top Nfl Feud

If the Cleveland Browns meet the Buffalo Bills in the playoffs, the highlight may be the post-game handshake between the two coaches. The relationship was strained last week when Bill Belichick of the Browns took potshots at Marv Levy of the Bills for suggesting the Browns faked injuries...

www.spokesman.com

that was definitely wrong of bb to do publicly and something he learned from. i'm glad,leave that type of *****ing to us fans!

 

[Rob0729]

You should watch the tape. Receivers are open and Mac doesn’t throw to them, or throws too late. Watch the film and imagine what an average qb would have done. Everything changes. Chunk plays actually happen, we aren’t 3 and out all day, the defense isn’t wilted from being on the field all game.
If you want just look at 3 drives that he choked on in the LV, wash, and Indy games.
Just a competent, average Qb in for those 3 drives and the team is 5-5 and in the wild card hunt and a game and a half out of first place IN SPITE OF him leading the league in Ints.
You can’t call the other 52 crappy when they are at worst a .500 team if there qb play wasn’t outright pathetic

There are times when receivers are open and Mac isn't throwing to them, but it isn't as frequent as you make it.

And do we need to go through all the games where is a receiver makes a play that the Patriots could be 5-5? How about Boutte not dragging his second foot against the Eagles? Or Reagor dropping what would have been a TD? Or Parker dropping a pass that would have put the Patriots in field goal range to beat the Raiders?

We can go back and forth on plays where one play here or there changes the outcome of the game.

 

[203Pat]

There are times when receivers are open and Mac isn't throwing to them, but it isn't as frequent as you make it.

And do we need to go through all the games where is a receiver makes a play that the Patriots could be 5-5? How about Boutte not dragging his second foot against the Eagles? Or Reagor dropping what would have been a TD? Or Parker dropping a pass that would have put the Patriots in field goal range to beat the Raiders?

We can go back and forth on plays where one play here or there changes the outcome of the game.

 

[Rob0729]

Watch the film. Receivers are open.

They aren't open. They are sometime open. Many times not. I posted screen shots of plays where Mac took a sack and it was clear no one was open.

 

[Rob0729]

That is one game where everyone agrees that he played like dung. That isn't the whole season.

But even this Tweet says that the o-line was a train wreck yesterday to along with Mac's disaster of a game.

 

[203Pat]

That is one game where everyone agrees that he played like dung. That isn't the whole season.

But even this Tweet says that the o-line was a train wreck yesterday to along with Mac's disaster of a game.

Yep basically Mac was bad and the line was bad. The need to make it all be Mac is delusional.

 

[HSanders]

He'll do it so his sons still have jobs. Where could they possibly go with Bill's connections now evaporating around the NFL?

what are your specific beefs about steve and/or brian's abilities as coaches?

 

[RobertWeathers]

that was definitely wrong of bb to do publicly and something he learned from. i'm glad,leave that type of *****ing to us fans!

Why is something that was said 28 years ago being mentioned now?

Is the Anti-BB campaign in full-force?

 

[Boomer B]

He'll do it so his sons still have jobs. Where could they possibly go with Bill's connections now evaporating around the NFL? I could see Bob allowing Piloi, Dimetroff, or Robinson to return now as the GM and they are now the decision makers for player personnel. They best understand what Bill is looking for, they'll just eye guys who actually have talent. If Bill doesn't allow it, then they most likely part ways. The real test is to see if Bob is willing to part ways with Bill with his contract guaranteed for a year or two left remaining.

It's crazy how this is the Parcells situation coming full circle again.

Financially none of his family will have to work ever again. If he wants his sons to continue in the game they need to stand on their own 2 feet. Bill has a lot of connections in the game, so I’m sure his kids could get jobs and build their resume in college football. Also, if he goes to another team he can bring them with them.

In terms of bringing in Pioli, Dimitroff, etc.. is that really changing anything? I like both those guys, but they are Belichick guys, so you bring them in are they in charge or is Belichick telling them who he likes, who he thinks should be picked and giving his input on everything. It just ends up to muddy.

 

[TheRainMaker]

what are your specific beefs about steve and/or brian's abilities as coaches?

My beef with them really has nothing to do with my previous post. But to answer your question, they are protected by their Dad and teams won't be able to evaluate how good of coaches they are or aren't. Both sons need to grow some balls, go elsewhere and make it on their own.

If Bill is fired, it may be tough for his sons to get jobs in the NFL with his connections of former coaches drying up.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Financially none of his family will have to work ever again. If he wants his sons to continue in the game they need to stand on their own 2 feet. Bill has a lot of connections in the game, so I’m sure his kids could get jobs and build their resume in college football. Also, if he goes to another team he can bring them with them.

In terms of bringing in Pioli, Dimitroff, etc.. is that really changing anything? I like both those guys, but they are Belichick guys, so you bring them in are they in charge or is Belichick telling them who he likes, who he thinks should be picked and giving his input on everything. It just ends up to muddy.

To be clear, I prefer to clean house. Continuing on even with the names I mentioned previously for GM just allows the dysfunction to continue. This is why I didn't like O'Brien, Judge or Patricia coming back.

 

[Boomer B]

The team has sold out over 300 straight games. Tickets sellout within seconds of going on sale in the spring. So financially, I think he could get away with it.

But Kraft strikes me as a win first owner. SB or bust. So I do believe Belichick will not be making final decisions as GM. Coach...TBD.

It’s not just about sellouts, it’s about relevance. How do you think Kraft feels when CBS sends their D team to call the games? How do you think he’ll feel next year when they get limited prime time games? Patriots are on the verge of being nationally irrelevant.

 

[HSanders]

My beef with them really has nothing to do with my previous post. But to answer your question, they are protected by their Dad and teams won't be able to evaluate how good of coaches they are or aren't. Both sons need to grow some balls and go elsewhere and make it on their own.

If Bill is fired, it may be tough for his sons to get jobs in the NFL with his connections of formal coaches drying up.

lots of coaches' kids/brothers are on their staffs. reid,shanahan,schottenheimer,gruden, shulas,etc. i think people in the nfl have more info to determine if the relatives are good coaches or not. certainly, your point is true that the relatives need to go elsewhere and succeed to prove themselves more. but as good as reid's coaching tree is,he still carried his derelict sons on his staff.

 

[Rob0729]

Financially none of his family will have to work ever again. If he wants his sons to continue in the game they need to stand on their own 2 feet. Bill has a lot of connections in the game, so I’m sure his kids could get jobs and build their resume in college football. Also, if he goes to another team he can bring them with them.

In terms of bringing in Pioli, Dimitroff, etc.. is that really changing anything? I like both those guys, but they are Belichick guys, so you bring them in are they in charge or is Belichick telling them who he likes, who he thinks should be picked and giving his input on everything. It just ends up to muddy.

Dimitroff did run things a lot differently in Atlanta than things were run here, but I do not want old guys back.

What the Patriots need is someone who understands where the league is heading and can acquire talent to fit that. In that, they need a cap guy who knows how to play the cap games that teams play now to make the cap virtually irrelevant. I will say that Matt Groh seems to buy into this concept and has said as much, but there is no way he would be allowed to do things like a lot of contracts with voidable years to spread out the cap (to my recollection, the Pats have only done that with Brady and McCourty).

The next GM also needs how to identify talent with speed and not one or the other. The Pats have acquired a few players with speed over the last few years, but few of them can actually play.

Also, the next GM needs to realize talent rules the NFL now more than ever. Back in the early 2000s, you could build a championship roster with a lot of solid yet unspectacular guys who worked together as a team putting team goals over personal goals. Those days are going away. The NFL is becoming more and more like the NBA where high end talent is what wins more often than not.