Belichick signed to long term contract

[RobertWeathers]

Why not? If they are the best, and everyone understands no one can win all the time, why would you replace him with a lesser coach during the downswing?

Are you saying the totality of belichicks reign isn’t success?
Had this occurred in the middle of the dynasty would it have made sense to fire him?

Please name all the better options.

It's clear you still think hes the best for the job. That's fine. I'm not sold on that anymore.

All the other stuff you said are hypotheticals.

Are you seriously saying that it’s shocking and underperforming to not have rebuilt from where the push to extend the dynasty left us in 2020 to not already being back by 2023?

I didn't say that. Nice try.

Forget dynasty-like results. Since the Wind Game vs BUF in 2021 they are 11-18.

He needs to win.

 

[Rob0729]

Please show that quote.

Go listen to 98.5 feeds with Zo and Bertrand on their website. I don't have the quote.

I didn't say Reiss said he would be fired if the season goes to hell. I am saying he said that the contract won't stop Kraft from doing it if he decides to. Reiss says Belichick being fired is a possibility if the Patriots have an awful year the rest of the way and this past weekend was a fluke. He isn't saying it is going to happen.

 

[Ring 6]

Go listen to 98.5 feeds with Zo and Bertrand on their website. I don't have the quote.

I didn't say Reiss said he would be fired if the season goes to hell. I am saying he said that the contract won't stop Kraft from doing it if he decides to. Reiss says Belichick being fired is a possibility if the Patriots have an awful year the rest of the way and this past weekend was a fluke. He isn't saying it is going to happen.

Why would I listen to that?

 

[Ring 6]

It's clear you still think hes the best. That's fine. I'm not sold on that anymore.

All the other stuff you said are hypotheticals.

I didn't say that. Nice try.

Forget dynasty-like results. Since the Wind Game vs BUF in 2021 they are 11-18.

He needs to win.

He has won more than any body. If you want to believe 11-18 defines him more than his entire career that’s up to you.
I want quality, stability and an effective structure in the organization.
I know that will lead to the best results. I also know it’s ridiculous to expect the results to always be good.
It’s not a different guy in charge the last 29 games. You are falling into the trap of many here who feel they deserve retribution for a couple of down years.
In the end if you do that, you move forward with a less capable organization, but you got your pound of flesh.

 

[203Pat]

He has won more than any body. If you want to believe 11-18 defines him more than his entire career that’s up to you.
I want quality, stability and an effective structure in the organization.
I know that will lead to the best results. I also know it’s ridiculous to expect the results to always be good.
It’s not a different guy in charge the last 29 games. You are falling into the trap of many here who feel they deserve retribution for a couple of down years.
In the end if you do that, you move forward with a less capable organization, but you got your pound of flesh.

Yes just give Bill the job forever as a lifetime achievement award.

 

[Rob0729]

Why would I listen to that?

Don't. I really don't care.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes just give Bill the job forever as a lifetime achievement award.

No give it to him as long as he is willing to do it because he is the best man who has ever done the job.

Who do you want instead?

 

[Ring 6]

Don't. I really don't care.

Cool I’ll just assume your paraphrasing was lazy

 

[RobertWeathers]

He has won more than any body. If you want to believe 11-18 defines him more than his entire career that’s up to you.

************. 11-18 does not define his career but it defines his recent measure of success.

I want quality,

We don't have that

stability

OK but if stability is a continuum of 11-18 no thanks.

and an effective structure in the organization.

"Effective" is an actively open question.

I know that will lead to the best results. I also know it’s ridiculous to expect the results to always be good.
It’s not a different guy in charge the last 29 games.

You are so sure of that? 29 games is an ample sample size to pass judgement on results.

Being the same guy doesn't mean he'll have the same success in the future.

You are falling into the trap of many here who feel they deserve retribution for a couple of down years.

Retribution? Is that what you are deriving from my posts? That I want blood? You are living in a different world, Andy.

In the end if you do that, you move forward with a less capable organization, but you got your pound of flesh.

Define capable in the context of improving and winning football games.

 

[Ring 6]

************. 11-18 does not define his career but it defines his recent measure of success.

We don't have that

OK but if stability is a continuum of 11-18 no thanks.

"Effective" is an actively open question.

You are so sure of that? 29 games is an ample sample size to pass judgement on results.

Being the same guy doesn't mean he'll have the same success in the future.

Retribution? Is that what you are deriving from my posts? That I want blood? You are living in a different world, Andy.

Define capable in the context of improving and winning football games.

Well you are defining him by 11-18 which is short sighted.

Being the same guy means the same results in the long run, which is exactly the point. Every organization has down periods. No one could keep a team on top for 25 years, only one man ever could do it for 20.

This post is a perfect indication of retribution. You dismiss the fact that he has been the best ever to do the job and boil it down to passing judgment (your words) on less than 2 seasons while ignoring 20+. We must win forever or someone must pay.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Well you are defining him by 11-18 which is short sighted.

I am defining his recent job performance. if you think 11-18 is a good job go root for the Lions.

Being the same guy means the same results in the long run, which is exactly the point.

No it doesn't. Times change. The macros change. People get older and their ability to perform degrades over time. You assume BB is the same coach as he was in 2003 is pure conjecture on your part.

Every organization has down periods. No one could keep a team on top for 25 years, only one man ever could do it for 20
This post is a perfect indication of retribution. You dismiss the fact that he has been the best ever to do the job and boil it down to passing judgment (your words) on less than 2 seasons while ignoring 20+. We must win forever or someone must pay.

Retribution and evaluating job performance based on improvement and winning are two different things.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Let me cut through the minutiae…I’m fine with Bill the coach staying.

I’m not fine with him picking the groceries (esp on offense), and only “coaching players he like”.

If he’ll stay absent those two things I’m cool

 

[Ring 6]

I am defining his recent job performance. if you think 11-18 is a good job go root for the Lions.

No it doesn't. Times change. The macros change. People get older and their ability to perform degrades over time. You assume BB is the same coach as he was in 2003 is pure conjecture on your part.

Retribution and evaluating job performance based on improvement and winning are two different things.

There is a 20+ year period to judge his job performance from.

Oh, you are one of those? Belichick success makes you think you have higher standards than fans of other teams because you picked his dynasty to be a fan of.

Of course he is the same coach. No one always wins. The last 4 years is the consequence of extending the dynsasty, you know the one that makes you think you are better than a lion fan.

Of course it’s retribution, someone has to pay for you no longer feeling superior because the team you chose to root for only stayed on top longer than any ever has but not forever.

 

[mgteich]

I like how Kraft gives Bill free reign to run all football operations the way he chooses yet fans still blame Kraft for things like this.

Payment for the coaches is out of the pocket of Kraft.

The management of the CBA required cap is different.

 

[ALP]

I believe we must analyze bills career and future potential in the context of the GOAT. if we want to make a good prediction of the future it's best to assume there won't be another GOAT at QB for 20 years, therefore it's best to use the sample size of BB without Brady rather than the complete sample size.

 

[RIpats88]

There is a 20+ year period to judge his job performance from.

Oh, you are one of those? Belichick success makes you think you have higher standards than fans of other teams because you picked his dynasty to be a fan of.

Of course he is the same coach. No one always wins. The last 4 years is the consequence of extending the dynsasty, you know the one that makes you think you are better than a lion fan.

Of course it’s retribution, someone has to pay for you no longer feeling superior because the team you chose to root for only stayed on top longer than any ever has but not forever.

the last 4 years are NOT the consequence of extending the dynasty. they are the consequence of whiffing in the draft and making poor free agent decisions.

no one is expecting a super bowl. but you are expecting growth. since 2020 all the team has done is gotten worse. I'm find with 10-6 or 10-7 seasons if we see foundational pieces being added. instead the team is going backwards due to baffling decisions by the GM. decisions that even a casual fan can see. like dont hire a DC as your OC. and that signing bargain basement guys at OL is a recipe for disaster.

who cares what bill did 20 years ago? we didn't care that brady won the franchise a 6th superbowl in 2018 when it came time to offer him a contract extension just 1 year later...in that case we should've offered him the long term deal he wanted and ride into the sunset in New England.

all the Bill honks love to tout bills mantra about the past doesn't matter when it comes to players. but when it comes to Bill its all that matters.

 

[Ring 6]

the last 4 years are NOT the consequence of extending the dynasty. they are the consequence of whiffing in the draft and making poor free agent decisions.

no one is expecting a super bowl. but you are expecting growth. since 2020 all the team has done is gotten worse. I'm find with 10-6 or 10-7 seasons if we see foundational pieces being added. instead the team is going backwards due to baffling decisions by the GM. decisions that even a casual fan can see. like dont hire a DC as your OC. and that signing bargain basement guys at OL is a recipe for disaster.

who cares what bill did 20 years ago? we didn't care that brady won the franchise a 6th superbowl in 2018 when it came time to offer him a contract extension just 1 year later...in that case we should've offered him the long term deal he wanted and ride into the sunset in New England.

all the Bill honks love to tout bills mantra about the past doesn't matter when it comes to players. but when it comes to Bill its all that matters.

Of course it’s a consequence of extending the dynasty. That decision put them behind when it was over. The starting point in 2020 was a rebuild and they needed to be far better than any team in draft and free agent decisions to have righted the ship this quickly. They didn’t “whiff” more than everyone else does, they just started deeper in the hole.

Of course the expectation is the SB. I could care less about a 10-7 season without a legit SB shot instead of a 8-9 season. The job isn’t to build to be a little better than average it’s to build to be a champion. If you must take risk to get there from where you started, so be it. I’d rather have 3-4 bad years then be in SB contention than win 10 and never get further.

The Brady thing has been discussed at length and ironically you, complaining about the pace of the rebuild are still suggesting $50 million should have gone to Brady so we could delay the rebuild while winning nothing.

What did, not 20 years ago but FOR 20 years matters because it illustrates his ability. Unlike a player there is not a physical shelf life on that ability, so you know that analogy is silly.

 

[Ring 6]

I believe we must analyze bills career and future potential in the context of the GOAT. if we want to make a good prediction of the future it's best to assume there won't be another GOAT at QB for 20 years, therefore it's best to use the sample size of BB without Brady rather than the complete sample size.

He built teams of 53 players not 1.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

11-18 is not acceptable and justification for scrutiny by management. My opinion is that 11-18 is largely due to the decision to bring in MP as the OC and the lingering malaise that has brought everything into question and distracted the team. Clearly Kraft was in the loop on the experiment, which was likely a play to keep the seat warm for BOB, or he would not have signed BB to the extension. The OL injuries to start the year only exacerbated the situation. If BB can keep the team together coming out of the rough patch and consistently compete in every game he will have proved that he is still a great coach.

 

[RobertWeathers]

There is a 20+ year period to judge his job performance from.

Oh, you are one of those? Belichick success makes you think you have higher standards than fans of other teams because you picked his dynasty to be a fan of.

Of course he is the same coach. No one always wins. The last 4 years is the consequence of extending the dynsasty, you know the one that makes you think you are better than a lion fan.

Of course it’s retribution, someone has to pay for you no longer feeling superior because the team you chose to root for only stayed on top longer than any ever has but not forever.

Wow. Just wow.