Belichick signed to long term contract

[RobertWeathers]

This is a big topic, maybe too big to discuss here. But Kraft has 24 years of experience with Belichick. For the vast majority of that time he was the best decision maker in the sport, maybe ever.
It’s comical that people here like to pick out decisions that didn’t work out as if they are damming when the reality is that everyone making decisions in the nfl makes many that don’t turn out well. It’s the nature of the sport, the nature of competition, the nature of a league that tries to reward losing teams to even the playing field.
Teams that win are the ones getting the highest percentage of decisions right, not getting them all or anywhere near close to all right.
Belichick consistently has been the guy getting the most right. His structure of the organization, his knowledge, experience and ability is why. The framework he uses to make those decisions is sound, and again, maybe the best ever.
That those decisions have worked out less often in the short term doesn’t change that. Kraft surely knows he can’t improve it by making Belichick “sell” him on ideas and vetoing as if he knows better. And he had a 24 year track record with the man.
Fans want to punish someone and get retribution for the inevitable down period.
Kraft will not overlook ability in favor of short term results and out his organization in less capable hands until belichick decides he is ready to retire.

The analogy is a stock trader. The good ones are right a little bit more than wrong. When you have the best one, and you trust his sound judgment and skills you don’t yank your money and give it to someone you have no experience with because of a few losses.
The people calling for Belichicks head are likely people who are the market drop and react by taking retribution against investing by selling at a loss.

I had the same company cut my grass and do my edging for 14 years. They did a great job up until this past season. Lawn was getting ripped up, left uncut spots, didn't edge as nice as they did, etc. They were undisciplined and sloppy.

I expressed my concerns with the owner who I had a good relationship with. He committed to ensuring the quality improved. I gave them a couple of services to see how things went. Nothing changed. I told him again the quality was unacceptable. Same ****ty service. I fired them.

A strong track record and a history of success absolutely deserves the benefit of the doubt and an opportunity to improve.

No reasonable person should have expected Bill to turn the team into a SB champion year 3 or 4 after TB12 left.

What is reasonable is to expect is incremental improvement grounded by good personnel decisions and disciplined football. It's very debatable we have seen that consistently since the team beat BUF in early Dec, 2021.

Lets see how the rest of the year goes before passing judgement on Bill.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yes. Also, other guys have been brought in to help run things with Bill in more of a committee than just Bill making all the decisions.

I don't think it was that drastic.

I think it was more of a "Bill, we need to improve on our drafts, what will you do differently", and "Bill, seems our offense was dig sit last year with Fat Matt calling plays. What will you do differently." and BB came up with the solution.

 

[Ring 6]

I had the same company cut my grass and do my edging for 14 years. They did a great job up until this past season. Lawn was getting ripped up, left uncut spots, didn't edge as nice as they did, etc. They were undisciplined and sloppy.

I expressed my concerns with the owner who I had a good relationship with. He committed to ensuring the quality improved. I gave them a couple of services to see how things went. Nothing changed. I told him again the quality was unacceptable. Same ****ty service. I fired them.

A strong track record and a history of success absolutely deserves the benefit of the doubt and an opportunity to improve.

No reasonable person should have expected Bill to turn the team into a SB champion year 3 or 4 after TB12 left.

What is reasonable is to expect is incremental improvement grounded by good personnel decisions and disciplined football. It's very debatable we have seen that consistently since the team beat BUF in early Dec, 2021.

Lets see how the rest of the year goes before passing judgement on Bill.

Progress in football is never linear.
Belichick isn’t in a service industry hiring people making minimum wage.
Personnel decisions in the NFL are gambles. Getting the most right fit a long period time followed by coming back to the pack in the short term isn’t apathetic lawn mowing.
Judgment on Belichick, with Kraft, is 24 years in the making. If you have the right guy the time you need him most is when there is adversity.

 

[Rob0729]

FWIW, Dale Arnold is saying Belichick is signed through 2025.

 

[Steve102]

I had the same company cut my grass and do my edging for 14 years. They did a great job up until this past season. Lawn was getting ripped up, left uncut spots, didn't edge as nice as they did, etc. They were undisciplined and sloppy.

I expressed my concerns with the owner who I had a good relationship with. He committed to ensuring the quality improved. I gave them a couple of services to see how things went. Nothing changed. I told him again the quality was unacceptable. Same ****ty service. I fired them.

A strong track record and a history of success absolutely deserves the benefit of the doubt and an opportunity to improve.

No reasonable person should have expected Bill to turn the team into a SB champion year 3 or 4 after TB12 left.

What is reasonable is to expect is incremental improvement grounded by good personnel decisions and disciplined football. It's very debatable we have seen that consistently since the team beat BUF in early Dec, 2021.

Lets see how the rest of the year goes before passing judgement on Bill.

That's as good of an analogy as any I've seen. While I am happy with the win this week, they are still just 2-5. If they end up in the hunt for a post season spot, then he's earned the right to stay. If they end up 4-13, then it certainly can be questioned what they are doing going forward.

 

[Rob0729]

Based on what Mike Reiss is hearing, the extension does not mean the Patriots will not fire Belichick depending on how the season plays out. He said his sources says that Belichick could be fired if the season goes the wrong way.

 

[PatsFan2]

Based on what Mike Reiss is hearing, the extension does not mean the Patriots will not fire Belichick depending on how the season plays out. He said his sources says that Belichick could be fired if the season goes the wrong way.

I hope we some sort of GM and BB goes back to doing what he does best Coaching.

 

[amfootball]

Progress in football is never linear.
Belichick isn’t in a service industry hiring people making minimum wage.
Personnel decisions in the NFL are gambles. Getting the most right fit a long period time followed by coming back to the pack in the short term isn’t apathetic lawn mowing.
Judgment on Belichick, with Kraft, is 24 years in the making. If you have the right guy the time you need him most is when there is adversity.

So should Bill get a lifetime contract based on past success?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Progress in football is never linear.
Belichick isn’t in a service industry hiring people making minimum wage.
Personnel decisions in the NFL are gambles. Getting the most right fit a long period time followed by coming back to the pack in the short term isn’t apathetic lawn mowing.
Judgment on Belichick, with Kraft, is 24 years in the making. If you have the right guy the time you need him most is when there is adversity.

Correct. It's binary.

Are you improving over the previous year? yes/no

Are you winning more than you lose? yes/no

Belichick needs to win. That is his job.

You are coming across like you disagree with that.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's as good of an analogy as any I've seen. While I am happy with the win this week, they are still just 2-5. If they end up in the hunt for a post season spot, then he's earned the right to stay. If they end up 4-13, then it certainly can be questioned what they are doing going forward.

Exactly.

I don't believe in sacred cows, entitlements or getting promotions at the MBTA for just showing up while cars are going off the rails.

The NFL is a performance-based business. You are either improving and/or winning.

If you aren't then scrutiny is deserved and if a better way to do things is identified, then changes should be made.

 

[PATS16N0]

If Bill’s salary doesn’t apply to the cap or affect the team it’s obviously none of our business. I suppose fans have a ‘right’ to know what our teams are spending on WRs but it’s Krafts money with Bill, so who cares?

 

[Ring 6]

Correct. It's binary.

Are you improving over the previous year? yes/no

Are you winning more than you lose? yes/no

Belichick needs to win. That is his job.

You are coming across like you disagree with that.

it’s not binary at all, it’s a process. What team ever rebuilt with incremental year to year progress? It just doesn’t happen.
Of course he needs to win. And he has won more than anyone. He extended the dynasty to win more Super Bowls.
The odds to have it rebuilt by now were slim. That doesn’t change that he is the right guy unless you just want someone to punish.

 

[Ring 6]

Exactly.

I don't believe in sacred cows, entitlements or getting promotions at the MBTA for just showing up while cars are going off the rails.

The NFL is a performance-based business. You are either improving and/or winning.

If you aren't then scrutiny is deserved and if a better way to do things is identified, then changes should be made.

No one wins all the time. Keeping the best man for the job because he’s the best man for the job despite this being a down period is not a sacred cow issue. It’s a big picture issue vs feeling the need for someone to pay for the inevitable end if the dynasty and the down period that was sure to happen.

 

[Steve102]

If Bill’s salary doesn’t apply to the cap or affect the team it’s obviously none of our business. I suppose fans have a ‘right’ to know what our teams are spending on WRs but it’s Krafts money with Bill, so who cares?

People who hate him care for some reason.

 

[mgteich]

If Bill’s salary doesn’t apply to the cap or affect the team it’s obviously none of our business. I suppose fans have a ‘right’ to know what our teams are spending on WRs but it’s Krafts money with Bill, so who cares?

I don't care about what Kraft pays coaches.

I care about who the coach is, and what future commitments our coaches have, as coaches.

I care when Kraft hires fewer coaches than any owner in the league.

 

[Ring 6]

So should Bill get a lifetime contract based on past success?

Not based upon past success but based upon ability, of which the past success is proof.
Yes he should run this franchise until the day he no longer wants to, because that is what will produce the best results.

 

[Ring 6]

. He said his sources says that Belichick could be fired if the season goes the wrong way.

Please show that quote.

 

[RobertWeathers]

it’s not binary at all, it’s a process. What team ever rebuilt with incremental year to year progress? It just doesn’t happen.
Of course he needs to win. And he has won more than anyone. He extended the dynasty to win more Super Bowls.
The odds to have it rebuilt by now were slim. That doesn’t change that he is the right guy unless you just want someone to punish.

No coach has the job in perpetuity.

One needs to measure progress/success/performance for any job/business.

Wins and improvement in play on the field is how you do it.

 

[Ring 6]

No coach has the job in perpetuity.

One needs to measure progress/success/performance for any job/business.

Wins and improvement in play on the field is how you do it.

Why not? If they are the best, and everyone understands no one can win all the time, why would you replace him with a lesser coach during the downswing?

Are you saying the totality of belichicks reign isn’t success?
Had this occurred in the middle of the dynasty would it have made sense to fire him?

Please name all the better options.

Are you seriously saying that it’s shocking and underperforming to not have rebuilt from where the push to extend the dynasty left us in 2020 to not already being back by 2023?

 

[203Pat]

I don't care about what Kraft pays coaches.

I care about who the coach is, and what future commitments our coaches have, as coaches.

I care when Kraft hires fewer coaches than any owner in the league.

I like how Kraft gives Bill free reign to run all football operations the way he chooses yet fans still blame Kraft for things like this.