If this is Bill’s last season as HC, who do you want as a replacement?

[venecol]

I'm not an avid college football watcher, but if Caleb Williams is the goal, how about Kraft making Lincoln Riley an offer he can't refuse to be the Pats HC.

 

[Steve102]

That guy was entertaining AND a winner. Right now we have neither.

The Raiders won Super Bowls XI, XV, and XVIII. 40 years since they won a Super Bowl. Since then, they have chit on fans in Oakland twice and Los Angeles once by relocating the franchise and chasing cash. They are not the model franchise we should be hoping the Krafts emulate. I will grant you that it was never a dull moment around Al Davis.

 

[Kontradiction]

I'm not an avid college football watcher, but if Caleb Williams is the goal, how about Kraft making Lincoln Riley an offer he can't refuse to be the Pats HC.

I’m not so sure Williams should be the goal. I like Maye better. Riley should stay in college until he learns that defense is important, too.

 

[203Pat]

Trade value on that drop is 500, a 2nd rounder. But yes, they'd be better off with an early 2nd round pick. Now--consider that the team somehow spun those 7 wins together with a QB who looked like he couldn't throw and a roster that was depleted of its best players (Damiere Byrd and NKeal Harry are your starting WRs). Byron Cowart and John Simon are starting DLs. Outside of Gilmore and Thuney EVERYONE else is gone. (Mason played hurt all year and he looked it).

If this wasn't a team meant to tank, I don't know what to tell you.

If the prospect of Cam Newton throwing to Byrd and Harry doesn't give you nightmares, I mean really now.

This team outperformed and won 7 games.

Go back and look at that roster.

That season also had multiple opt outs from guys that in all likelihood would have played had it not been for covid. Bill didn't cut guys like Chung, Cannon, Hightower, or Brandon Bolden. They all came back the next season so Bill probably would have had them of the roster and playing in 2020. He also played veterans over young guys like Uche, the two tight ends, or some of the other 2019/rookie class even when it was clear the season was lost. Bill didn't want to blow it up and rebuild because he would rather have 7 to 10 wins year in, year out, than suffer through 3-4 wins then to 7-8, then onto playoff contention again.

Through his first 6 games in 2020 Byrd had 18 catches for 233 yards. N'Keal Harry had 19 catches for 107 yards and a TD. Juju has 14 catches for 86 yards and Parker has 13 catches for 136 yards. If Harry and Byrd were in your alleged "tank" year they out performed a "non-tank" year Juju and Parker.

 

[1960Pats]

The Raiders won Super Bowls XI, XV, and XVIII. 40 years since they won a Super Bowl. Since then, they have chit on fans in Oakland twice and Los Angeles once by relocating the franchise and chasing cash. They are not the model franchise we should be hoping the Krafts emulate. I will grant you that it was never a dull moment around Al Davis.

YOU posted his picture, not me.

I actually put a 25 year curse on the Raiduhs in 2001. Hard to believe that curse is only three years away from ending.

 

[1960Pats]

I’m not so sure Williams should be the goal. I like Maye better. Riley should stay in college until he learns that defense is important, too.

I've never seen the Williams kid play but it sounds like he may be too tiny for today's NYFL.

 

[upstater1]

I would have let him walk that offseason prior to 2020. Get a third round comp pick to help with the rebuild. I also wouldn't have started Cam the last 6 weeks of the season and see if Stidham could at least be a backup in the league. I would have let Slater and McCourty walk and gone into a true rebuild.

Slater and McCourty were on the back end of their careers. They really were immaterial to wins and losses that year.

Stidham would've won you more games than a guy who couldn't throw at all.

 

[venecol]

I’m not so sure Williams should be the goal. I like Maye better. Riley should stay in college until he learns that defense is important, too.

Good to know. Well Kraft isn't hiring Mack Brown, who is actually older than Belichick, lol.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Gilmore played most of 2020 until late in the year. Bill should've traded him at the deadline that season and maximized his value while he could have gotten a second, maybe even first round pick. Instead Bill kept him, he got hurt, and was traded the next season for a bag of beans. Thuney cost us a third round comp pick for 2021. They also went 7-9 not 6-10.

And none of this is hindsight, as we were all pushing for it at the time.

 

[upstater1]

That season also had multiple opt outs from guys that in all likelihood would have played had it not been for covid. Bill didn't cut guys like Chung, Cannon, Hightower, or Brandon Bolden. They all came back the next season so Bill probably would have had them of the roster and playing in 2020. He also played veterans over young guys like Uche, the two tight ends, or some of the other 2019/rookie class even when it was clear the season was lost. Bill didn't want to blow it up and rebuild because he would rather have 7 to 10 wins year in, year out, than suffer through 3-4 wins then to 7-8, then onto playoff contention again.

Through his first 6 games in 2020 Byrd had 18 catches for 233 yards. N'Keal Harry had 19 catches for 107 yards and a TD. Juju has 14 catches for 86 yards and Parker has 13 catches for 136 yards. If Harry and Byrd were in your alleged "tank" year they out performed a "non-tank" year Juju and Parker.

You're always going to give your guys the best chance to win.

The question is personnel. You start the season with the cupboards bare and a complete disaster at QB, you are definitely tanking.

The 2 TEs and Uche were all hurt that year, and obviously the 2 TEs sucked.

The difference between Byrd/Harry and Parker/JuJu should be obvious. It's the difference between a low tier FA WR signee that jumps on for the league min + a guy you already know is a bust (in Edelman's words as well) compared to a guy who just caught on bunch of passes and played well for the Super Bowl champ + a guy who has produced in the past. If you're a betting man, you put the money on JuJu/Parker to outperform Byrd/Harry every time.

 

[203Pat]

Slater and McCourty were on the back end of their careers. They really were immaterial to wins and losses that year.

Stidham would've won you more games than a guy who couldn't throw at all.

Lol that is the exact player you don't bring back in a true rebuild. Guys on the back end of their careers.

Stidham went to a wedding and Bill got pissy.

 

[Dedhampatsfan]

I'd rather have Shedeur Sanders as the next qb

 

[203Pat]

You're always going to give your guys the best chance to win.

The question is personnel. You start the season with the cupboards bare and a complete disaster at QB, you are definitely tanking.

The 2 TEs and Uche were all hurt that year, and obviously the 2 TEs sucked.

The difference between Byrd/Harry and Parker/JuJu should be obvious. It's the difference between a low tier FA WR signee that jumps on for the league min + a guy you already know is a bust (in Edelman's words as well) compared to a guy who just caught on bunch of passes and played well for the Super Bowl champ + a guy who has produced in the past. If you're a betting man, you put the money on JuJu/Parker to outperform Byrd/Harry every time.

The personnel is how you know Bill wasn't tanking. He re-signed his guys in Slater and McCourty and franchised a guard for $14 million. He built his "strong middle class" with Beau Allen, Adrian Phillips, Byrd, and Marquise Lee. Almost all the opt outs likely would've made the team and we might have won 9 games instead of 7. Bill basically did what he does every offseason.

 

[Sciz]

Gilmore played most of 2020 until late in the year. Bill should've traded him at the deadline that season and maximized his value while he could have gotten a second, maybe even first round pick. Instead Bill kept him, he got hurt, and was traded the next season for a bag of beans. Thuney cost us a third round comp pick for 2021. They also went 7-9 not 6-10.

How dare Bill not…do exactly what he reportedly tried to do, both before the season and at the deadline:

The Patriots had known since the 2020 offseason that Gilmore’s contract would need a massage, which is why his name had come up in numerous trade conversations. By the time the 2020 season had started, the entire league knew Gilmore was available for the right price, but the Patriots never got their desirable offer, which was largely believed to be a first-round pick.

Teams simply had no interest in giving the Patriots a high-round pick and then paying Gilmore a big-money contract at his age, according to numerous sources.

Stephon Gilmore fallout: Why did Patriots cut ties before trading him to Panthers

It didn’t have to get to this point with Gilmore and the Patriots, but the situation grew more complicated than it ever seemed.

theathletic.com

 

[Hyped]

That is the million dollar question.

I would just roll with Jerod Mayo...keep Steve Belichick as DC...fire Cam Achord/Joe Judge....and bring in a new young offensive coordinator from the McVay tree or something....

 

[TomPatriot]

Adam Peters for GM and let him pick his coach.

 

[venecol]

How dare Bill not…do exactly what he reportedly did, both before the season and at the deadline:

The Patriots had known since the 2020 offseason that Gilmore’s contract would need a massage, which is why his name had come up in numerous trade conversations. By the time the 2020 season had started, the entire league knew Gilmore was available for the right price, but the Patriots never got their desirable offer, which was largely believed to be a first-round pick.

Teams simply had no interest in giving the Patriots a high-round pick and then paying Gilmore a big-money contract at his age, according to numerous sources.

Stephon Gilmore fallout: Why did Patriots cut ties before trading him to Panthers

It didn’t have to get to this point with Gilmore and the Patriots, but the situation grew more complicated than it ever seemed.

theathletic.com

Just one of many bone headed moves as GM.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

That will slow down getting our own coach so at this point I’ve accepted no draft comp.

If it means a week or two for a first- or second-round pick (and if Kraft is committed to a new start), then I'm OK with it. [Again, my first pick is keeping Belichick but finding a GM.]

 

[203Pat]

How dare Bill not…do exactly what he reportedly tried to do, both before the season and at the deadline:

The Patriots had known since the 2020 offseason that Gilmore’s contract would need a massage, which is why his name had come up in numerous trade conversations. By the time the 2020 season had started, the entire league knew Gilmore was available for the right price, but the Patriots never got their desirable offer, which was largely believed to be a first-round pick.

Teams simply had no interest in giving the Patriots a high-round pick and then paying Gilmore a big-money contract at his age, according to numerous sources.

Stephon Gilmore fallout: Why did Patriots cut ties before trading him to Panthers

It didn’t have to get to this point with Gilmore and the Patriots, but the situation grew more complicated than it ever seemed.

theathletic.com

So Bill didn't get a first round offer so he took his ball and went home? Then traded him a year later for a 6th. Chess > checkers.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I'm not an avid college football watcher, but if Caleb Williams is the goal, how about Kraft making Lincoln Riley an offer he can't refuse to be the Pats HC.

I’d feel like if this happened we’ve have the next kingsbury as HC.