Mac and the "It Factor"

[Wozzy]

Zappe went 4-9 for 57 yards and 6.1 completion ypc

He is not cooking. No one is cooking in this offense. That's not a defense of Mac. It's just reality.

The deflection from Bills roster building from fans is in extreme mode.

Entering the last minutes of a blowout is an indicator of nothing. Neither is taking over the Bear’s mess in the rain last year.

Let him practice and prepare as the starter, keep the offense simple. Zappe might not turn the ball over, and that would be a marked improvement.

Even Mac has the potential to cowboy up and prove everyone wrong. We just watched Zach Wilson play his best football ever last Sunday. Geno Smith wasn’t good until a decade in the league.

You never know how a kid will react until the lights are brightest. Give Zappe a shot.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Kind of nuts when you think about it. Kirk Cousins, Andy Dalton, and some doofus named Tom Brady are the only other names that stand out from round 3 to 7.

Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson ?

 

[VrabelJr]

Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson ?

Thanks for pointing out my omissions. I originally started my reply with Wilson but must have deleted it by accident.

 

[captain stone]

The way Stevenson is playing, I think there might be some injury issues we're not hearing about. He just has not looked himself, even with the OL issues.

I believe the Confidence issue also plays a not-insignificant role in all this. Rham looks like he doesn't trust what he sees, or doesn't think that what he does see is worth running-through... Don't know why he doesn't simply run around all that crap in front of him and try to catch an edge...

 

[mike_usagisan]

I believe the Confidence issue also plays a not-insignificant role in all this. Rham looks like he doesn't trust what he sees, or doesn't think that what he does see is worth running-through... Don't know why he doesn't simply run around all that crap in front of him and try to catch an edge...

I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if there's anything to it, but the screens to Zeke have looked good, getting him away from the crowding at the line. I'm surprised we haven't seen more of that for Rham.

 

[captain stone]

He dropped it in the back of the end zone because that's where Gesicki was supposed to be because that's likely how they practiced it, usually due to the fact that's typically an area where it's the safer throw.

But I don't disagree with you on your sentiments with Mac - yesterday was a disaster otherwise and it can't continue.

This was the very first play of the game I had the "pleasure" of watching live because that ****ing Commandos - Fecals game ran late...

What I want to know is - and I haven't seen this answered anywhere yet - is just why the **** were they throwing the damn ball down there in the First Place?

 

[PatsFan2]

Zappe went 4-9 for 57 yards and 6.1 completion ypc

He is not cooking. No one is cooking in this offense. That's not a defense of Mac. It's just reality.

The deflection from Bills roster building from fans is in extreme mode.

We all know BB can rest on his laurels most successful HC ever. But... but his Teams haven't been good the last Three years maybe four. We have been mediocre for the most part.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Sounds like Mac will crap the bed again and hand Zappe another sht sandwich… like he received in the Chicago game last season.

It’s garbage. Give Zappe stater reps in practice and let him cook, otherwise make Mac play the entire game no matter how bad he does.

If Mac is too fragile to play an entire game and turns to jelly again, you may as well cut him the next day and poach some other team’s practice squad for a backup.

BB was able to move on from Bledsoe so easily because he wasn't his guy. Mac is BB's 1st Rd guy. Much like N'Keal was BB's 1st Rd guy, so that's why we got to see years of ughness from N'Keal. Sunk Cost Fallacy. Never thought the GOAT coach would succumb to it, but here we are.

I've said this before, but BB really set up Zappe to fail in the 3rd preseason game. WR8 was his best receiver. 3rd/4th string OL going against starters. It worked. He looked like crap understandably, and that's why no one picked him up. Heck 2nd game preseason there were soooo many drops and bad WR play there as well.

That being said, imho he's gotta start Mac next week.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Zappe went 4-9 for 57 yards and 6.1 completion ypc

He is not cooking. No one is cooking in this offense. That's not a defense of Mac. It's just reality.

The deflection from Bills roster building from fans is in extreme mode.

Related note - do you think Boutte should've gotten both feet in for both his catches?

 

[Jim Beankie]

Zappe went 4-9 for 57 yards and 6.1 completion ypc

He is not cooking. No one is cooking in this offense. That's not a defense of Mac. It's just reality.

The deflection from Bills roster building from fans is in extreme mode.

Zap definitely was not cooking, but here are his incompletions:

1) Giseki showed zero fight for a 50/50 ball
2) Juju playing like a rookie and couldn't get 2 feet down on a perfectly thrown ball which would've been 17yds on a 3rd and 10
3) 1.5 sec pass rush with terrible play call with mind numbing WRs crossing too close late
4) Juju miscommunication - starting to feel like this was on Juju and not Zappe
- literally 1 sec pass rush sack (as in it was over after a second not that the sack happened after a sec)
5) 1 sec pass rush throwaway

Honestly seemed like the line and receivers gave up already, while the Cowboys were still playing full tilt. To Wozzy's point, when Zappe's been given a chance from the get go, he's killed it and is 2-0 as a starter.

I'm saying all this as someone who thinks Mac should start next week.

 

[Brotherblues]

These things probably happened before in the NFL, I just don't recall seeing them happen:

1. I had never seen a QB put both hands on a defender's ankle and twist it in frustration from turning the ball over, quite like Mac did with Burns.

2. I had never seen a player react to spraining his ankle quite like Mac did early in '22. I've seen people take a bullet wound more stoically.

3. I had never seen a QB fail at a QB sneak and ignore the whistle for as long as Mac did against the Jete. No one else was playing the down anymore when he oh-so-awkwardly ran into a linebacker 2 yards away. There's playing through the whistle, and there's being petulant about failing. This was indisputably petulant.

4. I had never seen a QB accused of hitting some other guy's junk---not while down in a pile fighting for the ball, but after getting up from an embarrassing failed play.

We're in here arguing over one potential Geseki play when that pick 6 was one of the worst I have ever seen. Nathan Peterman-esque. It was a hitch route with Bourne standing there and the defender right in front of him and Mac noodle arms a wobbler right at him. Inexcusable. I was so annoyed last night and went to bed thinking I wouldn't be as annoyed in the morning but it's even worse today. Just an awful, awful play from a bad QB with limited skills.

I think there are 2 Macs.

There's "Before **** Hits The Fan" Mac. He is good at practice, film room junkie, hard working, heavily invested, avid learner, high motor, great teammate, brings guys together, handles himself well.

The other is "Heat of The Moment" Mac. This Mac panics under pressure. He handles failure by twisting a guy's ankle, punching another guy's junk, or crashing into a defender who's just standing casually long after a play is over. He panics when sensing rushers, moves right into rushers that wouldn't have gotten to him, throws off his backfoot unnecessarily as if he had a cannon, scrambles like a chicken with its head cut off, and... I could go on all day.

One side of Mac is truly great. The other side completely ruins everything and I'm not sure the fix is coachable.

 

[203Pat]

These things probably happened before in the NFL, I just don't recall seeing them happen:

1. I had never seen a QB put both hands on a defender's ankle and twist it in frustration from turning the ball over, quite like Mac did with Burns.

2. I had never seen a player react to spraining his ankle quite like Mac did early in '22. I've seen people take a bullet wound more stoically.

3. I had never seen a QB fail at a QB sneak and ignore the whistle for as long as Mac did against the Jete. No one else was playing the down anymore when he oh-so-awkwardly ran into a linebacker 2 yards away. There's playing through the whistle, and there's being petulant about failing. This was indisputably petulant.

4. I had never seen a QB accused of hitting some other guy's junk---not while down in a pile fighting for the ball, but after getting up from an embarrassing failed play.


I think there are 2 Macs.

There's "Before **** Hits The Fan" Mac. He is good at practice, film room junkie, hard working, heavily invested, avid learner, high motor, great teammate, brings guys together, handles himself well.

The other is "Heat of The Moment" Mac. This Mac panics under pressure. He handles failure by twisting a guy's ankle, punching another guy's junk, or crashing into a defender who's just standing casually long after a play is over. He panics when sensing rushers, moves right into rushers that wouldn't have gotten to him, throws off his backfoot unnecessarily as if he had a cannon, scrambles like a chicken with its head cut off, and... I could go on all day.

One side of Mac is truly great. The other side completely ruins everything and I'm not sure the fix is coachable.

I have never seen anything close to "great". I have seen good and above average and I saw what we saw on Sunday. I think he might try hard and do all the things he asked but I don’t think he has "it". He doesn't have that ice water in his veins when things are falling apart. Instead he turtles and shies away from hits (whether perceived or real) as he's throwing the ball. If all things around Mac are perfect and he can set his feet in a clean pocket and get the ball out that's when he's good/above average but that doesn't happen all the time (or even often with this team) in the NFL and he doesn't have the athleticism/arm strength to overcome in addition to his mental shortcomings.

 

[borg]

Micah Parsons lining up against Vederian Lowe had to be unsettling to our First Round Talent Mac Jones.

Bedard said earlier today Lowe had the worst game of any OL he had ever watched tape on.

Note: Belichick & Co had removed Parson from their draft board in '21.
Reasoning: It was either "character issues".....or....too much talent

 

[203Pat]

Micah Parsons lining up against Vederian Lowe had to be unsettling to our First Round Talent Mac Jones.

Bedard said earlier today Lowe had the worst game for any OL he had ever watched tape on.

I think I read he allowed 17 pressures in the last two games. Lowe is not an NFL player and Bill coming into the season with Reily Reiff and Calvin Anderson as potential right tackles is just straight up malpractice.

 

[borg]

I think I read he allowed 17 pressures in the last two games. Lowe is not an NFL player and Bill coming into the season with Reily Reiff and Calvin Anderson as potential right tackles is just straight up malpractice.

Negligence
Mismanagement
Dereliction
Incompetence
Professional misconduct

or maybe

SPITE

 

[Brotherblues]

I have never seen anything close to "great". I have seen good and above average and I saw what we saw on Sunday. I think he might try hard and do all the things he asked but I don’t think he has "it". He doesn't have that ice water in his veins when things are falling apart. Instead he turtles and shies away from hits (whether perceived or real) as he's throwing the ball. If all things around Mac are perfect and he can set his feet in a clean pocket and get the ball out that's when he's good/above average but that doesn't happen all the time (or even often with this team) in the NFL and he doesn't have the athleticism/arm strength to overcome in addition to his mental shortcomings.

I 100% agree and also never said otherwise about him on the field.

 

[borg]

I have never seen anything close to "great". I have seen good and above average and I saw what we saw on Sunday. I think he might try hard and do all the things he asked but I don’t think he has "it". He doesn't have that ice water in his veins when things are falling apart. Instead he turtles and shies away from hits (whether perceived or real) as he's throwing the ball. If all things around Mac are perfect and he can set his feet in a clean pocket and get the ball out that's when he's good/above average but that doesn't happen all the time (or even often with this team) in the NFL and he doesn't have the athleticism/arm strength to overcome in addition to his mental shortcomings.

Does not possess a single physical tool necessary to elevate an NFL offense

 

[captain stone]

I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if there's anything to it, but the screens to Zeke have looked good, getting him away from the crowding at the line. I'm surprised we haven't seen more of that for Rham.

He dropped the first two passes thrown him during the Jete game, so that doesn't help his case.

We still haven't replaced SweetFeet either. I thought Strong was supposed to be the one; but giving-up on him after just two training camps... Weird.

 

[PATS16N0]

Mac Jones going to be full Uncle Rico in four years, telling everyone how awesome he would of been if Matt Patricia wasn’t his offensive coordinator one year.

Then he’ll hit you in the balls with a steak.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Mac Jones going to be full Uncle Rico in four years, telling everyone how awesome he would of been if Matt Patricia wasn’t his offensive coordinator one year.

Then he’ll hit you in the balls with a steak.

He could be chillin in a hot tub with his soulmate.