Mac and the "It Factor"

[203Pat]

The worst part about that play is the fact Mac should have known he got away with the other, but only due to how far off they were playing. To go back to it was horrifically bad, and that's 100% on him.

He keeps trying that throw across is body play and it may work out here and there but risk outweighs the reward 10 fold with him. He just doesn't have the arm strength. It is a risky play when guys like Mahomes, Herbert, or Josh Allen do it and then have cannons for arms.

 

[moosekill]

While the offense hasn't been good. This team was built to have a top 5 defense in the league, play from ahead and shorten the game with long runs. 3 of their projected starting o-linemen missed all preseason, 1 hasn't done well and 1 other is missing time from a knee injury. Yesterday they were missing their top 4 d-backs, and they lost their big nose tackle. I don't know how many teams would win on a weekly basis with all the injuries the Patriots have.

All that being said, Mac sucked yesterday, he hasn't looked good all season, and my guess is he is on a very very short leash for the rest of the season. Bill doesn't like changing qb's, and I am not sure if Zappe is the answer, but Bill hates stupid mental mistakes, and that is what Mac did yesterday.

 

[sb1]

We're in here arguing over one potential Geseki play when that pick 6 was one of the worst I have ever seen. Nathan Peterman-esque. It was a hitch route with Bourne standing there and the defender right in front of him and Mac noodle arms a wobbler right at him. Inexcusable. I was so annoyed last night and went to bed thinking I wouldn't be as annoyed in the morning but it's even worse today. Just an awful, awful play from a bad QB with limited skills.

That was ridiculous. He did it twice, the first was almost a disaster so it made no sense to do it again. He doesn't have the arm.

 

[turkeyneck]

The worst part about that play is the fact Mac should have known he got away with the other, but only due to how far off they were playing. To go back to it was horrifically bad, and that's 100% on him.

Well, 98% on him. He should have been read the riot act by coaches after the first one that he got away with. If the coaches failed then it's their fault, too. If he was told to knock it off and did it anyway, then 110% on him.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

I gave up on Mac last year, and unfortunately it doesn't look like I was wrong. I just get vibes of Bledsoe without the cannon arm everytime I watch him play. He just doesn't seem to step up in those big moments. I would rather have them let Zappe practice this week with the #1's and then see what he can do.

We have 2 bad QBs on the roster... Mac having a terrible game doesnt magically elevate the 4 foot tall Zappe into a legitimate QB...

 

[upstater1]

The perils of QB drafting in the 1st round of the last 8 drafts:

BUSTS: Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Carson Wentz, Paxton Lynch, Mitch Trubisky, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Kenny Pickett.

WINS: Pat Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Tua, Justin Herbert

DON'T KNOW YET: Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence

Including Mac Jones, that's 16 busts, 6 wins. That means your win rate is 30-40%.

And I believe this is very close to how it has always been.

I'm fine with drafting a QB again knowing that getting say Drake Maye at #8 means you can end up with a guy who is yet another bust. It took the Bills 7 #1 picks and 30 years to find Josh Allen after the Jim Kelly years.

If it's me for next year, I definitely move on for Mac and look for either a good veteran or else I try to trade for Justin Fields to rehabilitate him. He can be salvaged I believe.

It's better than playing draft roulette for a QB.

 

[upstater1]

Well, 98% on him. He should have been read the riot act by coaches after the first one that he got away with. If the coaches failed then it's their fault, too. If he was told to knock it off and did it anyway, then 110% on him.

The coaches don't need to tell him any of this anymore. He was careless with the ball all last year. He got benched for it. He's doing it again. Clearly, they don't need to say anything to him anymore. Nothing is getting through. This is who Mac is.

 

[203Pat]

I don't know how some fans would rather live in purgatory than swing for the fence on a real QB. \

 

[Sect140]

I really thought BOB would correct Mac’s mechanics but so far it doesn’t seem that way, still throwing off his back foot even when he has protection. Maybe it takes time.

He got away with throwing the ball across the field the first time, I’m sure BOB said let’s not do that again, soon after he does it again, we’ll he didn’t get away with it a second time.

 

[PatsFan2]

I really thought BOB would correct Mac’s mechanics but so far it doesn’t seem that way, still throwing off his back foot even when he has protection. Maybe it takes time.

He got away with throwing the ball across the field the first time, I’m sure BOB said let’s not do that again, soon after he does it again, we’ll he didn’t get away with it a second time.

I would say Fat Matt's Offenses seems more aggressive than the current that you think would be better.

 

[mike_usagisan]

If it's me for next year, I definitely move on for Mac and look for either a good veteran or else I try to trade for Justin Fields to rehabilitate him. He can be salvaged I believe.

It's better than playing draft roulette for a QB.

I'm the opposite. I think it's time to play draft roulette until we get one. Reclamation projects rarely work and even more rarely to the point where they become great. I think that's the probable move from Bill, but delays the QB rebuild by one more year.

 

[PatsFan2]

The perils of QB drafting in the last 8 drafts:

BUSTS: Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Carson Wentz, Paxton Lynch, Mitch Trubisky, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Kenny Pickett.

WINS: Pat Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Tua, Justin Herbert

DON'T KNOW YET: Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence

Including Mac Jones, that's 16 busts, 6 wins. That means your win rate is 30-40%.

And I believe this is very close to how it has always been.

I'm fine with drafting a QB again knowing that getting say Drake Maye at #8 means you can end up with a guy who is yet another bust. It took the Bills 7 #1 picks and 30 years to find Josh Allen after the Jim Kelly years.

If it's me for next year, I definitely move on for Mac and look for either a good veteran or else I try to trade for Justin Fields to rehabilitate him. He can be salvaged I believe.

It's better than playing draft roulette for a QB.

I was thinking about Fields at the very least he can do it with his legs. Mac 0 can't do it with anyrthing.

 

[upstater1]

I'm the opposite. I think it's time to play draft roulette until we get one. Reclamation projects rarely work and even more rarely to the point where they become great. I think that's the probable move from Bill, but delays the QB rebuild by one more year.

I can see the argument both ways. I'm also reminded that the Bills, Phins and Jets spent 20 1st-2nd rounders on QBs over a 25 year span and EVERY single one of them was a bust.

With this defense, I would take a WR in the early first (because that's where we're picking, around 10) and then sign a veteran or trade for a guy like Fields or Murray who will be/may be jettisoned soon.

 

[upstater1]

I was thinking about Fields at the very least he can do it with his legs. Mac 0 can't do it with anyrthing.

Fields had a nice game yesterday

 

[mike_usagisan]

I can see the argument both ways. Somewhere on this site I posted a look at the last 8 drafts and found of all the QBs taken, 16 were busts, 6 were wins, and 2 (Jordan Love and Trevor Lawrence) are undecided. I'm also reminded that the Bills, Phins and Jets spent 20 1st-2nd rounders on QBs over a 25 year span and EVERY single one of them was a bust.

With this defense, I would take a WR in the early first (because that's where we're picking, around 10) and then sign a veteran or trade for a guy like Fields or Murray who will be/may be jettisoned soon.

Again, I completely get where you're coming from, but I'm the opposite. I get Higgins in free agency and draft a QB in the first. I've come around to the argument that you just keep drafting until you hit your QB. But when you know it's not him, move on quickly (after 3-4 years).

 

[PatsFan2]

Fields had a nice game yesterday

Yep and the bad news Bears blew it as usual.

 

[p8ryts]

MALIK-MALIK!

 

[PatsFan2]

I can see the argument both ways. I'm also reminded that the Bills, Phins and Jets spent 20 1st-2nd rounders on QBs over a 25 year span and EVERY single one of them was a bust.

With this defense, I would take a WR in the early first (because that's where we're picking, around 10) and then sign a veteran or trade for a guy like Fields or Murray who will be/may be jettisoned soon.

You make a good point if you ain't picking #1 all bets are off.

 

[PatsFan2]

Again, I completely get where you're coming from, but I'm the opposite. I get Higgins in free agency and draft a QB in the first. I've come around to the argument that you just keep drafting until you hit your QB. But when you know it's not him, move on quickly (after 3-4 years).

Three Years Mac should be deactivated!

 

[Jim Beankie]

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