Mac and the "It Factor"

[cupofjoe1962]

I already said she thinks you are a lowlife. Which you are and you know it and you are embarrassed

Your ashamed !
Read the posts & then show them to mom.
Hopefully she will get you help.

I will pray for you.
Might even light a candle

 

[captain stone]

If having "it" means being a ****ing gutless ****ing punk-ass *****, then yes indeed Corky has "it" all over the place.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

Besides Tyreek Hill, Waddle and an OL that is playing lights out, what strengths are those?

Id argue that the Gulf between hill/waddle and parker/juju is much bigger.

Talent matters. Throwing up tuas stats doesn't really prove much. Put Tua on this team with the lowest amount of time to throw and he's NOT the best QB in the NFL with Bourne/parker lighting it up.

Did Brady magically get more talented between 2020-2021 when he added 15tds to his stats and had a better completion percentage? No he just went from garbage receivers/OL to elite ones.

I think it's being understated how the offense operates as a whole.

Fans are delusional to think you take out Mac Jones and throw some other guy in there and we are lighting it up. But I just fail to see what more Mac or any QB could do when you have 2 seconds to throw (worst in NFL) and receivers who can't separate and are slow.

Until you upgrade the offensive talent level the offense will never be elite. We saw it with Brady in 2019 throwing to Ben Watson and sanu.

Not to mention it's no sure thing we even get someone as good as Mac Jones. Look at the Jets or every other team drafting high. Heck look at every other QB from the Mac Jones draft.

Here's an answer

Yes Tua has better weapons


But Tua - before Tyreek and even before Waddle - showed flashes and the ability to even win shootouts and game-winning drives.

2020 - against the Cardinals (when they were 5-3), against the Chargers, etc. Tua also showed the ability to close out games against us when he's played us - 2020, and the 2nd game in 2021.

Keep in mind, that was with the same weapons Mac has now - Devante Parker and Mike Gesicki. As his 1st and 2nd options. He never even had a Hunter Henry player.

Beyond that Tua still has better traits than Mac. Physically speaking, Tua has more zip/velocity on intermediate (10-20 yard) throws. And his processing and ability to throw with anticipation was present in 2020. With Mac, it still isn't.

I don't think Tua is WAY better or anything.... but he is better.

Mac would obviously look than he does currently with better weapons, but Tua is still pound-for-pound the better QB.

Don't know how many people will read this but hopefully it answers the question on the Tua Mac debate.

 

[203Pat]

Curran: Mac Jones ‘seemed to quit' in loss to Cowboys

Tom E. Curran reacts to Mac Jones' brutal performance vs. the Cowboys and says he "saw a little quit" in the Patriots quarterback during the 38-3 defeat.

sports.yahoo.com

Yeah that would be a way to get shown the door on a BB team.

He can hold the door open for Bill.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Mac still looks lost. Rarely steps into a throw decisively and zips the ball in. Zappe comes in and Parker is open across the middle - Parker must have been open for Mac too. Mac seems nervous, does not see the field well, and is hesitant and robotic. No idea what is wrong, but Tua is much better. Maybe give Mac a chance to bounce back? Sometimes it takes a terrible performance to flush the cobwebs? It is looking bad.

 

[Kdo5]

Mac still looks lost. Rarely steps into a throw decisively and zips the ball in. Zappe comes in and Parker is open across the middle - Parker must have been open for Mac too. Mac seems nervous, does not see the field well, and is hesitant and robotic. No idea what is wrong, but Tua is much better. Maybe give Mac a chance to bounce back? Sometimes it takes a terrible performance to flush the cobwebs? It is looking bad.

I need him to come out next week and throw 3 TDs in a victory to keep the faith.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I need him to come out next week and throw 3 TDs in a victory to keep the faith.

*and not turn the ball over

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I need him to come out next week and throw 3 TDs in a victory to keep the faith.

Step into some throws, be decisive, put some zip on the ball, step up in the pocket maintaining his composure, on and on. Maybe this performance wakes him up. If not, how can it continue?

 

[archstanton543]

More like the "Sh!t Factor"

 

[Grogan14]

If having "it" means being a ****ing gutless ****ing punk-ass *****, then yes indeed Corky has "it" all over the place.

You have hit at the core problem Captain, with perfect conciseness and brevity

 

[RodThePat]

That Brady quit before the season ended.

Kinda like this kid very obviously quit on the team today? Things start going poorly and he goes on tilt, story of his career. But we'll keep doing the whole "no one could do better than this with these weapons!!!" song and dance after he puts 16 on the board and the defense holds the Saints to 10 next week. Most coddled athlete in the country.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Mac and the quit factor is the proper thread title

 

[archstanton543]

Mac and the quit factor is the proper thread title

Benching = quitting?

 

[PatsFan2]

Waddle said Jones was the better QB at Alabama.

Right now Tua has a faster release, but Jones has historically had the faster release. Last year, Mac threw the ball on average 2.2 second, Tua was 2.3.

Tua hasn't been all that mobile in the NFL. He is still living off his reputation from his college days. And Jones doesn't get enough credit for his mobility.

Their arms aren't that different. Tua only has slightly stronger arm. It helps that he has Hill and Waddle who can get wide open.

Waddle said yadda yadda yadda please stop Rob.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Benching = quitting?

The way he played yes, I could not feel a mood like we can turn it around , I think mac gets frustrated easily and this affects his game

 

[RIpats88]

Kinda like this kid very obviously quit on the team today? Things start going poorly and he goes on tilt, story of his career. But we'll keep doing the whole "no one could do better than this with these weapons!!!" song and dance after he puts 16 on the board and the defense holds the Saints to 10 next week. Most coddled athlete in the country.

theres no chicken and the egg here though. its all related. I don't think fans are coddling him. just looking at its not a 1 person problem.

lets swap Mac out for another QB. All the fans are happy. pats are still averaging 2.1 ypc, under 2 seconds to throw and getting blown out. and receivers who are slow and mediocre. even greg olson said we have no one explosive. its all "smoke and mirrors"

this is an overall roster problem. fans want to make it down to "replace mac, win super-bowl!"

stevenson sucks now too right?

 

[RIpats88]

from what I see, here is what happened. Pats roster stinks and we cant score. so Mac tries to do too much to make up for it and "make a play"

hes not talented enough to do that and it leads to turnovers and poor throws. But its also negligent to draft a young QB give them the likes of bourne/parker/juju with no run game and ask them to go out and win.

fans and the media complained all offseason bill was building this team like the 70's. we were called idiots. now that the results are as expected the blame is taken off Bill again.

 

[moosekill]

I gave up on Mac last year, and unfortunately it doesn't look like I was wrong. I just get vibes of Bledsoe without the cannon arm everytime I watch him play. He just doesn't seem to step up in those big moments. I would rather have them let Zappe practice this week with the #1's and then see what he can do.

 

[RodThePat]

theres no chicken and the egg here though. its all related. I don't think fans are coddling him. just looking at its not a 1 person problem.

lets swap Mac out for another QB. All the fans are happy. pats are still averaging 2.1 ypc, under 2 seconds to throw and getting blown out. and receivers who are slow and mediocre. even greg olson said we have no one explosive. its all "smoke and mirrors"

this is an overall roster problem. fans want to make it down to "replace mac, win super-bowl!"

stevenson sucks now too right?

Stevenson has been terrible to start the season and I can attest that with my own two eyes even with all their run blocking issues, yes. He's one of the lowest ranked running backs in football in terms of rushing yards over expectations, and that's the stat I relied on last year to affirm my observations that he was one of the very best players in the league at his position. Players can perform their job poorly even if the context around them isn't perfect. No one has perfect conditions in the NFL.

 

[RIpats88]

Stevenson has been terrible to start the season and I can attest that with my own two eyes even with all their run blocking issues, yes. He's one of the lowest ranked running backs in football in terms of rushing yards over expectations, and that's the stat I relied on last year to affirm my observations that he was one of the very best players in the league at his position. Players can perform their job poorly even if the context around them isn't perfect. No one has perfect conditions in the NFL.

I don't think Stevenson got bad in a bubble though. I think it stems from the OL.

You seem to think players just get bad. I disagree. Guess it takes heat away from bill if it's just guys playing poorly. The offense operates as a unit and one broken piece screws everything up.

You have an OL that can't block and receivers who no one respects because they are mediocre. So defenses key in on the run game. It's all related. They basically are daring parker/juju/Bourne to get open. And they can't.

Bill built a garbage roster. Let's all admit it. Put Stevenson on the 49ers and he's lighting it up every week.