How Good Does Mac Have To Be To Get His Option Picked Up?

[Ross12]

Why do think that the QB option amount would go down so much?

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It’s in the article - $23.7M. Mac is in “tier 3” because he is not a Pro Bowler (while he did play in one, it was as a substitute which AFAIK doesn’t qualify).

 

[Real fan 02]

It’s in the article - $23.7M. Mac is in “tier 3” because he is not a Pro Bowler (while he did play in one, it was as a substitute which AFAIK doesn’t qualify).

Ross, if the teams faced with picking up Mac's option for North of 30 million then that's a good thing! It means he's a franchise QB and the team is a contender. We should all want Mac to command that. Personally I believe Mac's going to have a great season.. 28 TDs 8 INTs.. have to remember we have a great back field with rham so he'll likely be getting some of those red zone TDs.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Ross, if the teams faced with picking up Mac's option for North of 30 million then that's a good thing! It means he's a franchise QB and the team is a contender. We should all want Mac to command that. Personally I believe Mac's going to have a great season.. 28 TDs 8 INTs.. have to remember we have a great back field with rham so he'll likely be getting some of those red zone TDs.

You do know that we had Stevenson last year too? And of course, Harris was the first stringer. And I am glad we traditionally keep the RB pipeline stocked. But how does that mean we have to remember that Mac will have this advantage, I think you mean as opposed to other years. He's had good backfields the entire time. So whether you mean the backs, rham included, are making it easier to get to the goal line, or whether you mean the backs will vulture some TDs, it's the same situation as last year (at least. I'd argue we have that same balance.) I'd add that Mac's biggest problem is the red zone... and that problem is not caused by how good our running backs are.

EDIT - I had "QB pipeline" and I meant "RB pipeline." Sorry - better late than never

 

[captain stone]

On this team, all Mac needs to do apparently to have his 5th year picked-up is to play as well at his position in 2023 as Isaiah Wynn did at his position in 2021.

 

[smg93]

Double digit wins + playoffs would do it. Anything less than this would elicit discussion on the option if there's another viable option either in house or through free agency

 

[mgteich]

It’s in the article - $23.7M. Mac is in “tier 3” because he is not a Pro Bowler (while he did play in one, it was as a substitute which AFAIK doesn’t qualify).

Thank you. I didn't know that his pro bowl didn't count.

 

[Real fan 02]

You do know that we had Stevenson last year too? And of course, Harris was the first stringer. And I am glad we traditionally keep the QB pipeline stocked. But how does that mean we have to remember that Mac will have this advantage, I think you mean as opposed to other years. He's had good backfields the entire time. So whether you mean the backs, rham included, are making it easier to get to the goal line, or whether you mean the backs will vulture some TDs, it's the same situation as last year (at least. I'd argue we have that same balance.) I'd add that Mac's biggest problem is the red zone... and that problem is not caused by how good our running backs are.

Yes, of course.. rham was there in 2021 as well. The red zone wasn't necessarily a Mac issue as you know it was whole offense issue.. O line, scheming, play calling or lack there of. Point I'm making is Mac projects to be better.. and we need to want him to become a franchise QB.. he showed promise his rookie season.

The backs I've mentioned he can lean on.. all the pressure doesn't need to be on him when you have rham and other versatile backs along with 6'5 targets in gisikie and Henry in the red zone. So I made mention that with efficiency, scheming, play design, effective play calling, Mac being able to audile at the line take them out of bad plays in the red zone Mac and the offense can become much more effective in the red zone.

 

[Real fan 02]

On this team, all Mac needs to do apparently to have his 5th year picked-up is to play as well at his position in 2023 as Isaiah Wynn did at his position in 2021.

Privately.. I'm sure Mac and his representatives have had the discussion... Daniel Jones.. all Mac has to be is Daniel jones.. not the actual QB but the production... BOB being the OC and QC is huge for Mac having one voice, one constant in his ear to work with will do wonders for Mac and the offense.

 

[Real fan 02]

TBH the question for me is How Bad Does Mac Have To Be To Get Benched By Belichick?

I'm sick of the nightmare flashbacks of the Eason era when you spent every game waiting and hoping for him to get knocked out of there.

Good question.. I believe what we face as fans it can be perceived as recency biases. We've seen how last season went, and that's what people have a tendency to base how we project to do this season off of. I feel Mac, the organization the players and coaches all want to show the full potential of what this team can be. Roster wise we are slated to be 4th in the division. However I guess it will all depend on how the offense looks would be my guess? I don't think people realize enough that we project to have an elite defense that will always keep us in games.. I feel the offense will contribute this season. Can't be any worse than last year right?

 

[Bill Lee]

Jared Goff: 4,438 yards 29 TDs 7 INTs 99.3 rating

Kirk Cousins: 4,547 yards 29 TDs 14 INTs 92.5 rating

Geno Smith: 4,282 yards 30 TDs 11 INTs 100.9 rating

The pats would be a dangerous team with this level of QB play. These are above average veteran QBs earning outside the top 10 in APY. The pats should be looking elsewhere if they can’t get similar production from mac IMO.

Personally, this is how I think Bill will look at things, by the numbers.

We could see what just happened with Jordan Love: the team offers him a contract with good guarantees and incentives that would bring him up close to the fifth year contract level without guaranteeing it all up front like the fifth year option does.

If Jones and/or his agents don't bite, there's always the next Todd McSorley or Bailey Zappe willing to do the job for a whole lot less, with Bill free to spend the money on whatever handful of veteran FAs he wants to have instead.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Daniel Jones might be a good comparison. Like Mac, he struggled early in his career, but got a big extension after not only leading his team to the playoffs but winning a playoff game. Before that it was murky whether the Giants were going to bring him back. So Mac may have to get into the playoffs and win at least one game to show the Pats coaching staff that's he worth keeping around.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Good question.. I believe what we face as fans it can be perceived as recency biases. We've seen how last season went, and that's what people have a tendency to base how we project to do this season off of. I feel Mac, the organization the players and coaches all want to show the full potential of what this team can be. Roster wise we are slated to be 4th in the division. However I guess it will all depend on how the offense looks would be my guess? I don't think people realize enough that we project to have an elite defense that will always keep us in games.. I feel the offense will contribute this season. Can't be any worse than last year right?

I'm sorry, but yes absolutely it can and I won't be surprised if it is.

 

[archstanton543]

If Jones and/or his agents don't bite, there's always the next Todd McSorley or Bailey Zappe willing to do the job for a whole lot less, with Bill free to spend the money on whatever handful of veteran FAs he wants to have instead.

Half the price and a fraction of the talent. There's a reason Zappe was drafted where he was.

 

[Real fan 02]

I'm sorry, but yes absolutely it can and I won't be surprised if it is.

These are the offensive stats from last year.. sorry but.. we can't possibly be worse....

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I expect to see Mac take a leap this year. He's shown us flashes of his upside/ceiling, but hasn't consistently put it together. He went through some adversity last year with his injury, his receivers' injuries, the disarray around him, and the crazy L's that should have been W's. Having survived that, together with the apparent team & coaching improvements around him, he should be a much improved player this year.

The part of his game I'll be looking at most is his mobility (his arm-smarts-leadership are all very good). At times he has moved up in the pocket well, scrambled well, run well, thrown on the run well, reacted to pressure well - last year's Ravens game in particular. At other times he has looked underwhelming and panicky in those situations, and didn't see lanes that were there. He's got to become more fluid and relaxed when the pocket starts to break down, break through contact like Brady learned to do, and use his speed to get outside.

 

[Bill Lee]

Half the price and a fraction of the talent. There's a reason Zappe was drafted where he was.

Both guys I mentioned are $1M/year guys so 1/25th the price not 1/2. That's a big enough difference to matter to Bill, IMO.

 

[Rob0729]

I’m guessing a season of 4,000+ yards passing and 30+ TD passes and less than 15 INTs would do it. I still think the Pats will lean heavily on the running game this year.

Only four QBs got 30 passing TDs last year. If you add in the rushing TDs, that increases it to 5 QBs with 30 TDs or more. If Jones is top six in TDs this year, we won't just be talking about fifth year options. We will be talking about long term extensions.

 

[Real fan 02]

I expect to see Mac take a leap this year. He's shown us flashes of his upside/ceiling, but hasn't consistently put it together. He went through some adversity last year with his injury, his receivers' injuries, the disarray around him, and the crazy L's that should have been W's. Having survived that, together with the apparent team & coaching improvements around him, he should be a much improved player this year.

The part of his game I'll be looking at most is his mobility (his arm-smarts-leadership are all very good). At times he has moved up in the pocket well, scrambled well, run well, thrown on the run well, reacted to pressure well - last year's Ravens game in particular. At other times he has looked underwhelming and panicky in those situations, and didn't see lanes that were there. He's got to become more fluid and relaxed when the pocket starts to break down, break through contact like Brady learned to do, and use his speed to get outside.

Glad to see that I'm not alone with noticing Mac's ability to move and get out the pocket when it collapses. I'd like to think BOB will have him in more of those situations to be able to maximum Mac's full potential going into his 3rd season.

He's got two full seasons under his belt to be able to learn off of and propell him this season. Mac's strengths are his mind, vision, accuracy and ability to read and break down defenses. We have enough around him to compete this season.. I've made mention that he doesn't need to play hero ball.. just play to his strengths, get positive plays, lean on the running game, I expect a fully balanced team this season all 3 phases.

 

[Real fan 02]

Personally, this is how I think Bill will look at things, by the numbers.

We could see what just happened with Jordan Love: the team offers him a contract with good guarantees and incentives that would bring him up close to the fifth year contract level without guaranteeing it all up front like the fifth year option does.

If Jones and/or his agents don't bite, there's always the next Todd McSorley or Bailey Zappe willing to do the job for a whole lot less, with Bill free to spend the money on whatever handful of veteran FAs he wants to have instead.

Take the Giants for example as you mentioned Daniel jones.. he too had to undergo the Joe Judge experience.. that almost got him likely a back up some where or out the league.. until dabol rehabbed him. Personally I think if Mac puts up 2022 numbers and the team makes the playoffs and actually wins a game then he'd have shown he is guy going forward.

 

[Hyped]

4,200 passing yards, 65% completion rate, 27 TD passes, and 14 interceptions is my benchmark for picking up the 5th year option.

Or 247 yards, 65%, comp rate 1.58 TD passes, and .82 interceptions a game.