O/T: Vrabel voted into Patriots HOF

[Joker]

the trolling never stops with this stoolcrammer....every day the same hate filled vitriol aimed at ANYTHING Patriot...but oh yeah "I'm a big Pats fan!!!"....he's a lying troll

 

[Hyped]

Comments:

a.) Parcells should be in the Patriots HOF. But that is an argument for another day.

b.) Mankins should eventually get in though. He is quiet possibly the 2nd best guard to ever play for the Patriots.

c.) Vrabel, loved him when he was here....but he is the same guy who blew by Bruce Armstrong to sack Bledsoe...ending our potential game winning drive in a 7-6 playoff game in Pittsburgh...and also the coach who beat Brady in his final home playoff game here.... dunno....I think that may be worse than Parcells taking the Jets job....almost...maybe...

 

[Steve102]

the trolling never stops with this stoolcrammer....every day the same hate filled vitriol aimed at ANYTHING Patriot...but oh yeah "I'm a big Pats fan!!!"....he's a lying troll

I think he was a fan, until Tommy left. Now he's got a Ray Finkle level shrine in his basement to Tom and likely a laces out version for Bill.

 

[Sicilian]

The Tennessee Titans head coach has been voted into the New England Patriots HOF.

This goof...


I've never seen anything like that 0-7 gag job by his team to finish out the season.

You're the kinda guy that goes to a kid's college graduation party and wants to talk about that time they got a D in organic chemistry, aren't you?

 

[yukon cornelius]

it's funny watching the old guard boston media whine because they are butthurt parcells didn't get in


god willing, he never will

 

[Chevy]

c.) Vrabel, loved him when he was here....but he is the same guy who blew by Bruce Armstrong to sack Bledsoe...ending our potential game winning drive in a 7-6 playoff game in Pittsburgh...and also the coach who beat Brady in his final home playoff game here.... dunno....I think that may be worse than Parcells taking the Jets job....almost...maybe...

The Bledsoe sack - can't knock a guy for doing his job. It got him noticed as well. Same for coaching - he was doing his jopb.

 

[Pape]

It was a very weak list of finalists. Had Vrabel not made it this time, then he would have been blocked by way more deserving candidates for the next decade or so.

I disagree that it was a weak class... Vrabel won nearly 63% of the vote here, where people are much more aggressively polarized than in the general fandom... If he wound up getting 75% or more of the fan vote, it wouldn't surprise me...

So weak class or strong candidate? I'd argue the later...

now go look up some numbers and tell me I'm wrong...

 

[crawhammer]

the trolling never stops with this stoolcrammer....every day the same hate filled vitriol aimed at ANYTHING Patriot...but oh yeah "I'm a big Pats fan!!!"....he's a lying troll

I like how you follow me around the MB just to mock and insult.

TL;DR, because you started talking about Brady when I stated that BRADY WAS MORE IMPORTANT.

That's unfortunate. Firstly, you brought up Brady, and secondly, I made one Brady statement. I offered you some good stuff after that.

I think he was a fan, until Tommy left. Now he's got a Ray Finkle level shrine in his basement to Tom and likely a laces out version for Bill.

It's all a win. The Patriots dynasty was great for two decades. Brady continued to be great in Tampa Bay. I can't control whether or not the Patriots are any good post-Brady, but I can comment on how I see things going, as well as hope for better days for the team, while in the meantime, as they're faltering, I can enhance my Brady > Belichick argument (whenever that comes up). I know you and others think it can be petty and unnecessary but it's a subject that comes up in a variety of forms. I think it's an interesting debate.

You're the kinda guy that goes to a kid's college graduation party and wants to talk about that time they got a D in organic chemistry, aren't you?

No. What can I say? Vrabel is a weak Patriots HOF inductee imo. This is a football forum. I'm giving you my opinions on football. I have a lot of positive things to say about prior Patriots teams and players, and it's not all bad right now, but I think the team is in a generally bad spot for the next 2-3 seasons. Don't worry, my attitude toward the current team isn't going to affect them. Maybe they'll prove my pessimism to have been unwarranted.

 

[crawhammer]

I disagree that it was a weak class... Vrabel won nearly 63% of the vote here, where people are much more aggressively polarized than in the general fandom... If he wound up getting 75% or more of the fan vote, it wouldn't surprise me...

So weak class or strong candidate? I'd argue the later...

63-75% among the current eligible players. As the eligibility list grows over the next decade, Vrabel wouldn't carry that percentage with him. He essentially got in by default this year because fans hold a grudge against Parcells for SB 31 despite his quarterback having an epic meltdown (the real reason for the loss). I can't explain the Welker disrespect... the SB drop? Whatever, the best WR in the history of any franchise deserves to be in that team's HOF.

 

[signbabybrady]

Vrabel one hell of a linebacker and as a sub TE all he did was catch Touchdowns!

Part of BBs second free agent class which is the one that along with Sey and Brady gave us the first title.

Way overdue and glad he's getting in.

 

[Steve102]

I can enhance my Brady > Belichick argument (whenever that comes up). I know you and others think it can be petty and unnecessary but it's a subject that comes up in a variety of forms. I think it's an interesting debate.

Why the f*ck does their have to be a fekkin' Brady v Belichick argument to begin with??? ************ man! Let it fekkin' go!

 

[Sicilian]

No. What can I say? Vrabel is a weak Patriots HOF inductee imo. This is a football forum. I'm giving you my opinions on football. I have a lot of positive things to say about prior Patriots teams and players, and it's not all bad right now, but I think the team is in a generally bad spot for the next 2-3 seasons. Don't worry, my attitude toward the current team isn't going to affect them. Maybe they'll prove my pessimism to have been unwarranted.

I wasn't talking about your general negativity. The topic at hand is Vrabel's HoF induction, and the first "contribution" you make to the thread is bringing up an 0-7 collapse as a head coach. It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

 

[Brotherblues]

You're the kinda guy that goes to a kid's college graduation party and wants to talk about that time they got a D in organic chemistry, aren't you?

The D in chemistry would at least be relevant to the graduation journey. Bringing up Vrabel's coaching career is just insanely irrelevant to a discussion about honoring his time as a Patriot player.

Edit: Just noticed you made this same point in a later post. Derp.

 

[Steve102]

The D in chemistry would at least be relevant to the graduation journey. Bringing up Vrabel's coaching career is just insanely irrelevant to a discussion about honoring his time as a Patriot player.

Edit: Just noticed you made this same point in a later post. Derp.

Remember that time you held in pop warner? Here's a flag now.

 

[crawhammer]

Why the f*ck does their have to be a fekkin' Brady v Belichick argument to begin with??? ************ man! Let it fekkin' go!

Sorry bud, but a lot of people find it worth discussing. You don't have to participate. Do I go out of my way to tell you what you can and cannot find interesting? And I don't ever recall telling you that you can't speak.

But to answer your question, in part, the split, and Brady's subsequent success in Tampa Bay really charged up the debate. I think Bill's of the belief that "his system" is mostly responsible for the team's success and it motivated him some to move on from Brady (to create an opportunity to prove it). It completely backfired because Brady won and he hasn't. I also think Brady felt disrespected by Bill because he wouldn't commit to him beyond one year at a time. Brady got the commitment from another team and he wanted to validate their decision so he merely led them to a Super Bowl championship. Not bad for a 43-year-old quarterback.

 

[Steve102]

Sorry bud, but a lot of people find it worth discussing. You don't have to participate. Do I go out of my way to tell you what you can and cannot find interesting? And I don't ever recall telling you that you can't speak.

But to answer your question, in part, the split, and Brady's subsequent success in Tampa Bay really charged up the debate. I think Bill's of the belief that "his system" is mostly responsible for the team's success and it motivated him some to move on from Brady (to create an opportunity to prove it). It completely backfired because Brady won and he hasn't. I also think Brady felt disrespected by Bill because he wouldn't commit to him beyond one year at a time. Brady got the commitment from another team and he wanted to validate their decision so he merely led them to a Super Bowl championship. Not bad for a 43-year-old quarterback.

I got nothing. Nothing I can or will say is ever going to convince you that the TB v BB thing is asinine. In my opinion it's the dumbest eff'n thing on this forum. It's a broken eff'n record with you.

 

[Koma]

it's funny watching the old guard boston media whine because they are butthurt parcells didn't get in


god willing, he never will

First off, congratulations to Mike Vrabel on his induction to the Patriots HOF. He did a great job while he was here and I wish his exit from the team was handled a little better.

With that said, I see Borges complaining on twitter about Parcells not getting into the team HOF. Have you ever seen Borges complain about a Patriots player not making the cut for the NFL HOF? Something like "It's ridiculous that Rodney Harrison wasn't elected to the HOF. Without him, there would be no rings 2 and 3 for the Patriots. Wake up, people!" I never have. Maybe he's just maintaining decorum with the NFL HOF, but it also raises the question of how good of a job he's doing making a case he's making for guys like Wilfork and Rodney. Did he ever make a strong case for borderline guys like McGinest and Bruschi?

There's a very solid argument for Parcells not getting into the team HOF: The week before the Super Bowl, his priority was getting another job, not preparing the team. He was a great coach and he rightfully belongs in the NFL HOF, but that's not someone you hold up as the best of the best to work for an organization. It also doesn't mean that Parcells belongs in the HOF/Ring of Honor for every team he worked for.

The bottom line is that the sooner Ron Borges is not involved in the Patriots and NFL HOF discussions, the better. Someone like Mike Reiss would do a much better job making the case for Patriots players to get selected to the NFL hall of fame. If the people who keep championing Parcells for the Patriots HOF were replaced (Borges is one, Bill Burt is definitely another), imagine how much more interesting it would be to decide between 3 great and deserving players instead of 2 great players and a coach who doesn't belong there.

 

[IcyPatriot]

 

[Huckleberry1]

Love Vrabel, but no way he was a better player than Mankins, who NFL HOF worthy.

 

[sportnik]

I love Vrabel & he should be in the Hall of Fame, but Parcells omission is criminal. Anyone who was a Pats fan in the 90s knows, this franchise went from a joke to the pride of New England the day Parcells was hired.

Parcells was an amazing leader. Total command over the press. Total commend over his players. And his coaches. Coaches that would go to the ends of the earth to prove the master motivator wrong.

Incredible drafting that completely turned the franchise around. Drafted two Hall of Famers in 1995. Maybe the greatest draft in league history.

Parcells introduced BB to Kraft. Kraft hired BB to spite Parcells. Don’t let anyone kid you. I was there, I saw it. If there is no Parcells, there is no BB. If there is no Parcells, there is no dynasty.

I’m not taking anything away from BB & TB12, the drivers of the dynasty, but neither of those guys ever step foot in New England, if it weren’t for Parcells, the man that started it all.

Parcells should be at the very front of Patriot Hall of Fame. A Patriot “Hall of Fame”, without Parcells in it is a total sham. An odious affront to reality.