It’s official Rogers traded to the Jets !

[PatsFan2]

Have you seen my username and Avatar?

Oh C'mon Mac10 we know you're a PatsFan at heart.

 

[Ian]

I don't think the scenario I described above for 2023 will move the needle for either opinion.

Not for those who have already made up their minds about him.

 

[crawhammer]

there were legitimate questions if Brady could no longer do it

Not by me. Brady was NFL MVP in 2017. He should have been NFL MVP in 2016 as well. He won 3 Super Bowls from 2014-2019. They arguably should have won the Super Bowl 5 seasons in a row (2014-2018). They were one stop of Ryan Fitzpatrick away from a bye in 2019. That season the team didn't provide Brady with anything close to a WR2... it was Edelman and lots of rubbish yet Brady was still decent and they won 12 games. Belichick should have hung onto to Brady for dear life but his ego got the best of him (again). Brady instead padded his legacy significantly in Tampa Bay. He had 2 NFL MVP caliber seasons, won a 7th Super Bowl, and he outlasted the Patriots dynasty by 3 seasons.

 

[sb1]

Oh this ought to play extremely well in NY.

DeShone Kizer: Aaron Rodgers asked me if I believe in 9/11

Maybe Aaron Rodgers should finish his career with the Seahawks.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Oh C'mon Mac10 we know you're a PatsFan at heart.

no, i’m rooting for the most talented QB ever now.

 

[crawhammer]

The Jets Team similar to ours?? I'll take their WR's over ours 24/7 365 days a year. The Patriots better bridge that gap in the upcoming Draft.

Patriots:

WR1 JuJu Smith-Schuster
WR2 DeVante Parker
WR3 Kendrick Bourne
WR4 Tyquan Thornton

TE1 Hunter Henry
TE2 Mike Gesicki

RB1 Rhamondre Stevenson
RB2 James Robinson

Jets:

WR1 Garrett Wilson
WR2 Corey Davis
WR3 Allen Lazard
WR4 Mecole Hardman

TE1 Tyler Conklin
TE2 C.J. Uzomah

RB1 Breece Hall
RB2 Michael Carter

I like the Jets WRs better but the overall supporting casts aren't separated by too much. It's at the QB spot where there's significant separation.

Also, unless the Patriots pull off a draft day trade for Lamar Jackson, they won't be bridging any gap in the draft. When was the last time you thought they "bridged the gap" in the draft?

 

[crawhammer]

Not for those who have already made up their minds about him.

In a theoretical 550 pass attempt season, per his career averages, these would be Mac's 2023 numbers:

3905 yards
20 TDs
14 INTs
66.5 cmp%
89.0 passer rating

With an 8 or 9 win season, will those numbers be good enough for you to continue moving forward with Mac as your franchise QB?

 

[203Pat]

It's ok to admit that it was a mistake to let Brady walk.

And now, the same fans who were ok with seeing Brady go want to see Bill chase a record and get to finish his career here. I would have preferred that Brady finish his career here and maybe get that 7th ring with the Pats instead of the Bucs. We deserved that and so did Brady.

This is what drives me nuts. The whole "Brady wasn't going to win with the roster he had!" so it was right to shove him out the door argument. Let's put aside the fact Bill bungled the roster to the point where it was when Brady left, he went 12-4 with a very pedestrian roster and had they not melted down in week 17 would have had another bye. The revisionist history around here is Brady was carried to a terrible 12-4 record and that it was time to move on which we all know now (whether some want to admit it) wasn't the least bit true. Had Bill decided to value the receiver position and make the trade for Diggs instead of the Bills I think Brady and the offense would have bounced right back.

 

[203Pat]

Like you, they hated their coach!

I don't hate Bill. I think he is the greatest coach to ever do it but I think it was time to move on this offseason.

 

[1960Pats]

This is what drives me nuts. The whole "Brady wasn't going to win with the roster he had!" so it was right to shove him out the door argument. Let's put aside the fact Bill bungled the roster to the point where it was when Brady left, he went 12-4 with a very pedestrian roster and had they not melted down in week 17 would have had another bye. The revisionist history around here is Brady was carried to a terrible 12-4 record and that it was time to move on which we all know now (whether some want to admit it) wasn't the least bit true. Had Bill decided to value the receiver position and make the trade for Diggs instead of the Bills I think Brady and the offense would have bounced right back.

The Antonio Brown fiasco didn't help either.

 

[Ian]

In a theoretical 550 pass attempt season, per his career averages, these would be Mac's 2023 numbers:

3905 yards
20 TDs
14 INTs
66.5 cmp%
89.0 passer rating

With an 8 or 9 win season, will those numbers be good enough for you to continue moving forward with Mac as your franchise QB?

This isn't Madden - I'm not going to make a decision about him based on simulated numbers. I'd make an evaluation based on seeing him play. If he finishes next year that way and they struggle, then that's obviously a different story. If he plays well, finishes with single or 10 or fewer picks and throws 26-29+ touchdowns and the team is ranked among the top teams scoring wise and they go to the postseason and they're competitive (ie: they take whoever down to the wire and play like a contender), it's a different story.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

This is what drives me nuts. The whole "Brady wasn't going to win with the roster he had!" so it was right to shove him out the door argument. Let's put aside the fact Bill bungled the roster to the point where it was when Brady left, he went 12-4 with a very pedestrian roster and had they not melted down in week 17 would have had another bye. The revisionist history around here is Brady was carried to a terrible 12-4 record and that it was time to move on which we all know now (whether some want to admit it) wasn't the least bit true. Had Bill decided to value the receiver position and make the trade for Diggs instead of the Bills I think Brady and the offense would have bounced right back.

The lack of talent at WR after 2019 is on Bill, but it's a completely separate question than whether Brady would have succeeded by winning a super bowl in NE from 2020 to 2023 with the players the Pats actually had.

 

[1960Pats]

I don't hate Bill. I think he is the greatest coach to ever do it but I think it was time to move on this offseason.

Bill's a great HC but with each passing season he loses a little bit of his luster as his team continues to be average.

Personally, I'd take Vince Lombardi over Bill. The only thing that Bill and Shula have over Lombardi is longevity. It's too bad that Lombardi neglected to see a doctor and died of colon cancer.

 

[Steve102]

The Jets Team similar to ours?? I'll take their WR's over ours 24/7 365 days a year. The Patriots better bridge that gap in the upcoming Draft.

They aren't going to. Just a hunch

 

[203Pat]

The lack of talent at WR after 2019 is on Bill, but it's a completely separate question than whether Brady would have succeeded by winning a super bowl in NE from 2020 to 2023 with the players the Pats actually had.

I would think (hope) that Bill would have constructed the roster differently with Brady than he did with Cam in that mess of a season. Maybe Bill making the move for Diggs was too rich for his blood but Hopkins was available then too and went for less as far as trade compensation. Even guys like Emmanuel Sanders and Robbie Anderson still had something in the tank at that point and would have been upgrades over who we had. If Bill doesn't take a receiver high or make a move for Hopkins or Jeudy (or a guy in that skill range) then it seems pretty apparent he doesn't value that position even with a young QB who needs a lot more help than Brady ever did. Bill set Brady up to fail at the end here and so far it seems as if he is doing the same to Mac.

Bill's a great HC but with each passing season he loses a little bit of his luster as his team continues to be average.

Personally, I'd take Vince Lombardi over Bill. The only thing that Bill and Shula have over Lombardi is longevity. It's too bad that Lombardi neglected to see a doctor and died of colon cancer.

I am hoping that Bill at least gets a dignified exit and that it is framed as a retirement more than a firing. I think he has earned that and Kraft would be willing to play along. What I am not so sure about is whether Bill would go quietly so close to the record. I honestly think he would take another job for a season or two to win the record and that makes me wonder if Kraft would rather keep him here a season or two too long and get mediocre results than see him break Shula's record elsewhere after just watching Brady win a ring elsewhere.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Man this is terrible. This is like when the JEST got Brett Favrevruh and took over the division for years on end.

Jordan Love, you're up in NY in 2038. Guess how many rings they'll have then.

 

[crawhammer]

I am hoping that Bill at least gets a dignified exit and that it is framed as a retirement more than a firing. I think he has earned that and Kraft would be willing to play along. What I am not so sure about is whether Bill would go quietly so close to the record. I honestly think he would take another job for a season or two to win the record and that makes me wonder if Kraft would rather keep him here a season or two too long and get mediocre results than see him break Shula's record elsewhere after just watching Brady win a ring elsewhere.

Let's not compare winning a Super Bowl to passing a wins record through sheer attrition. Bill would trade 100 wins for one more Super Bowl ring. Especially since Brady won his own.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Also, unless the Patriots pull off a draft day trade for Lamar Jackson, they won't be bridging any gap in the draft. When was the last time you thought they "bridged the gap" in the draft?

If someone else got Christian Barmore you'd be whining about how we were going to bridge that gap.

I'm not done with our two rookies who've shown some capability at the NFL level. I will say, this year is close to dispositive on Jones, and next year, if we don't deal him, is make or break.

I'm starting to think Jones' big problem is if it turns out he IS good, then we could get something for him in a trade. I'm not sure he and BB go into the season on good terms, and if he does succeed that might be the danger zone for him

But I don't think this Lamar Jackson fixation makes sense for us. Glad to be proven wrong.

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

Going to be interesting to see him replace Kirk Cousins in 2024.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Bill's a great HC but with each passing season he loses a little bit of his luster as his team continues to be average.

Personally, I'd take Vince Lombardi over Bill. The only thing that Bill and Shula have over Lombardi is longevity. It's too bad that Lombardi neglected to see a doctor and died of colon cancer.

Vince Lombardi was severely overrated. Barely over .500 without Bart Starr as his QB.