Patriots Player Departure Meyers to LV Raiders

[crawhammer]

Now tell me exactly what we're going to miss if we play Bourne in the slot instead of Meyers?

Then ask yourselves... is Meyers at 11 million per season, that much better than Bourne at 7 million per... is he better at all?

Ask yourself if the Patriots are better with Bourne and Meyers? Since when was this an either or situation? Bourne needs to be productive anyway, he doesn't compensate for the loss of Meyers. Bourne also is not a WR1, of which the Patriots have none. Patriots have to replace Meyers (with someone not currently on the roster) and they need a true WR1. And a TE2. Now tell me how Scotty Washington is a hidden gem.

 

[Wozzy]

Agree but he was ****ed with in 2022. Do you think he's going to want to stick around after 2023? I doubt it. He envies Jacobi right now.

Patricia is gone.

Bourne is about the same as Jakobi... replaceable if he decides to walk.

I find it odd that all the "weapons" crowd talks about all the time, is how we don't have a #1 or nearly enough talent at WR... but now we're so desperate to keep these guys that we'd pay anything.

 

[Zuma]

Patricia is gone.

Bourne is about the same as Jakobi... replaceable if he decides to walk.

I find it odd that all the "weapons" crowd talks about all the time, is how we don't have a #1 or nearly enough talent at WR... but now we're so desperate to keep these guys that we'd pay anything.

11 million for a WR2 is not "pay anything". Jacobi was the most reliable and productive WR we have had in years.

 

[Wozzy]

Ask yourself if the Patriots are better with Bourne and Meyers? Since when was this an either or situation? Bourne needs to be productive anyway, he doesn't compensate for the loss of Meyers. Bourne also is not a WR1, of which the Patriots have none. Patriots have to replace Meyers (with someone not currently on the roster) and they need a true WR1. And a TE2. Now tell me how Scotty Washington is a hidden gem.

When Bourne was acquired I called the two of them redundant, two really similar players.

The Pats have 11 draft picks in a TE heavy draft, there are many good free agent WR's and TE's still sitting out there on the market.

I'd take Darius Slayton over Meyers all day everyday.

 

[Bill Lee]

Yes you are right, but we DIDN'T piss away a year of prime, but a year off his development AND rookie contract. Bill FULLY swung and missed on his experiment with Judge and Patricia on the offensive side of the ball. It was done IMHO in order to keep the seat open until BOB got here. Whether it was worth it will be told as time goes one. But regardless, 2022 was BILL's mistake.

It's hard to buy that you believe it was a mistake if you also push the theory it was all about keeping the seat open for BOB at the same time. It's some pretty mixed messaging, IMO. I'd just go with it was a mistake and leave it at that. He could have kept the seat open by hiring someone who knew how to run an offense from either inside or outside the organization without giving them a long term contract. He decided MP/JG could do the job. He was wrong.

We still have Mac under contract for another 3 years. 4 years if you count a "franchise tag year. But it really takes 4 or 5 years before a starting NFL QB enters his "prime" years, I think. Brady still thought he was evolving as he entered his 40's

We don't know if we've seen Mac's peak already or not, but we do know he regressed last year. We also know we spent big on FA to try to turn the team into a contender, and now two of those big spends on offense (Agholor, Smith) are being cut loose. To me it's clear everything's off schedule now. At the end of this season we'll be lucky to be where we thought we could/should be entering this season.

 

[Jlaff]

Patricia is gone.

Bourne is about the same as Jakobi... replaceable if he decides to walk.

I find it odd that all the "weapons" crowd talks about all the time, is how we don't have a #1 or nearly enough talent at WR... but now we're so desperate to keep these guys that we'd pay anything.

And maybe it's as simple as that if BoB thinks highly of Bourne. They may view Bourne as close enough to Jakobi - advantage Bourne in YAC and advantage Jakobi at something else - at almost half the price.

 

[Wozzy]

11 million for a WR2 is not "pay anything". Jacobi was the most reliable and productive WR we have had in years.

Bourne's making 7 million.

And if you put Meyers on the field for max snaps, that's pinning someone faster and more talented on the bench. There's only so many snaps and roster spots available.

I want to see Thornton get max snaps next season, I want to see more Marcus Jones in the slot.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

why do trades when you have to expend draft capital. UFA is beneficial because you do not fritter away draft capital and when their time is up you can trade them to get compensatory picks.

I fully agree.
This years FA Wide Receiver market is nothing to write home about if Myers is at the top
The only way in my mind to revamp that Receiver corp is trading and a high pick in the draft
Of course FA is the way to go if it isn’t a parking lot full of Yugo’s

 

[Rob0729]

 

[Steve102]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Kraft have Myra's family to thank for all his wealth? Myra's father was also the one who helped him with the paper company and much of the seed money for the Pats, no?

I'd be impulsive enough to buy a football team (which is the biggest source of his wealth) if I had all that money available to me at the time too.

From CNN

After graduating from Harvard Business School in 1965, Kraft, a Massachusetts native, began his career with the Rand-Whitney Group, a paper and packaging company owned by his father-in-law.
In 1968, Kraft acquired a controlling stake in the company through a leveraged buyout. Four years later, he founded International Forest Products, which trades forest product commodities, including containerboard and pulp, around the world.

Kraft grew his paper and packaging conglomerate to become one of the largest exporters in North America.

 

[patfanken]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Kraft have Myra's family to thank for all his wealth? Myra's father was also the one who helped him with the paper company and much of the seed money for the Pats, no?

I'd be impulsive enough to buy a football team (which is the biggest source of his wealth) if I had all that money available to me at the time too.

Not exactly. Myra's dad had a relatively small regional paper products company when he gave Bob a job after they were married. Bob took that company and turned it into the international wagon that it is now. He's earned his Billions, though I think one of his sons is running the company now

 

[Ivan]

I don't know why people keep thinking that Bob Kraft has ANYTHING to do with what players are on this team. He might express any frustrations he has in a GENERAL sense to Bill, because he's a fan first, just like the rest of us. But as far as saying "go get this guy or draft this position first", he just doesn't do that.

Right from the beginning he gave Bill FULL operational control of the football operation, and he reaped 2 decades of unparallelled sucess. He's not going to start meddling now, just because we had a bump in the road. People who amass the kind of wealth he has don't think that way, nor should they.

I agree completely. Kraft does make the football decisions, but he has a voice in the process. Like you I believe that is in general terms, such as expressing dissatisfaction in the performance of the offense, and the need to better. I have always believed that the day Kraft takes football decisions away from Belichick is the day Belichick steps down..

 

[Ring 6]

11 million for a WR2 is not "pay anything". Jacobi was the most reliable and productive WR we have had in years.

11 million is 5.5% of the cap. Triple the average player on the roster. If you assume 90% of the money should go to the top 30 players that is double the average per starter.
Does Jakobi Meyers strike you as worth double the average starter?

 

[Pape]

I was waaaayyy off on his market value. Thought 15 a year for him, aav... And I would have paid it too... But given the figures of his deal, it seems I also over estimated the demand for a player like Meyers... It really looks like this was a one horse race for his services...

Now what? Try and get one of the Denver receivers in a trade? Would be my best suggestion...

Also, call Bourne's agent and open negotiations on an extension... Try to bring some continuity to the wr room

What about South of $12M?

I already addressed the fact that I was wrong.

 

[varjao]

Wtf man all this cap and you couldn’t match that? Cheap ass franchise

They better end up with Hopkins or Juedy

I can only hope this means theyre planning to pony up for a true #1

The problem is that we would need Meyers services even if they bring a better receiver, you need 2 or 3 good/decent guys playing WR to succeed in todays NFL and taking in consideration Mac's development, a guy that he has some chemistry with would be good to have.

 

[Zuma]

11 million is 5.5% of the cap. Triple the average player on the roster. If you assume 90% of the money should go to the top 30 players that is double the average per starter.
Does Jakobi Meyers strike you as worth double the average starter?

 

[raduray]

I hate to see him go. He was my binkie during his rookie training camp and has turned out to be the most reliable receiver on staff. $11M per year should not have been too much for the Patriots.

 

[50-yard-line]

Wow, the Raiders are playing all 17 games in NV? How'd they pull that off?

 

[Jlaff]

I hate to see him go. He was my binkie during his rookie training camp and has turned out to be the most reliable receiver on staff. $11M per year should not have been too much for the Patriots.

I remember a few of you loving Myers in TC way back when. I'm a BB fan but the collective Patsfans.com GMs had him figured out before Bill from what I saw.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Wow, the Raiders are playing all 17 games in NV? How'd they pull that off?