NFL executive: 'Lamar-for-Tua trade makes sense'

[mike_usagisan]

This trade seems pretty implausible, which the writer even acknowledges a couple of times in the article. With all the discussion about Lamar and the Ravens, I can't figure out what the Ravens are going to do at QB. Either they figure out a contract with Lamar or they tag and trade him and... what? Are they drafting a QB? Are they going after a free agent and who? And by doing so, aren't they basically opting to go from a regular playoff contender to competing with the Steelers for the bottom of that division?

 

[sb1]

Makes sense for who? This isn't Madden.

Why would the Ravens make that trade?

 

[Wozzy]

Miami WR’s wouldn’t be a fan of this move. Tyreek and Waddle are smurfs and LJ can’t hit the broadside of a barn. His best receiver his entire career was 6’5” Mark Andrews… you think that’s an accident?

As a fan of a team in the AFC East I’ll be praying for this trade.

 

[NashuaPats]

So, they’ll just switch hospital beds.

 

[crawhammer]

tag him twice and play him til the wheels come off all the while developing his replacement they will draft this year

Jackson would definitely hold out under that scenario. He can basically force a trade. Unless Baltimore just decides to trash the 2023 season out of spite (which seems doubtful).

as for trading for tua? with his penchant for head injuries, the guy is like an aneurysm waiting to happen... who would actually trade for him?

I think there are a few teams that possibly would consider Tua... Colts, Panthers, Falcons, Raiders (if McDaniels gets desperate). But I totally agree, his career looks to be heading toward an inevitable early end.

As I predicted, Jacksons injuries are becoming more serious and happening more frequent.

He has missed 10 games over the last 34 games.

Yes, it's definitely concerning and a huge disappointment for fans like me who thought he could revolutionize the QB position in the NFL. He was brilliant in 2019 and I'm not quitting on him yet. The unfortunate reality for Baltimore is he doesn't want to play there anymore and they've been completely awful without him. I hope he gets a fresh start next season and I think there will be multiple takers.

The RB/QB will never work in the NFL. Eventually, the big hit is coming that puts you out of business.

Certainly this is the unfortunate track record. Josh Allen has been able to avoid injuries to this point and he runs like a fullback. He's the ideal dual threat QB in the league right now (but he absolutely needs to clean up the turnovers). Like I said, I haven't given up on Jackson and I have high hopes for Fields (if Chicago can get their **** together and build a team around him). Hurts played like a champion in the Super Bowl and he has a very bright NFL career ahead of him. One of these guys is winning a Super Bowl very soon.

Miami WR’s wouldn’t be a fan of this move. Tyreek and Waddle are smurfs and LJ can’t hit the broadside of a barn. His best receiver his entire career was 6’5” Mark Andrews… you think that’s an accident?

You forgot to mention that Andrews is way better than any of the Ravens WRs. And "LJ can't hit the broadside of a barn" but the team has been a hopeless disaster every time he's out. And LJ's a former league MVP with a 9.0 TD% which is phenomenal. (But we can continue that discussion in the QB thread.)

As a fan of a team in the AFC East I’ll be praying for this trade.

Lamar to Miami or NYJ would be very bad news for the Patriots. It would also make either one of those teams legitimate contenders with Buffalo for the division.

 

[Pape]

Jackson would definitely hold out under that scenario. He can basically force a trade. Unless Baltimore just decides to trash the 2023 season out of spite (which seems doubtful).

theoretically, i agree... but its not costing Baltimore to squat on his rights... as long as he's slapped with the exclusive tag, he's got no where to turn and no real leverage to force himself out of charm city...

so the ravens lose a few draft picks by not trading him... go sign Jimmy G, keep their current back up so when he gets hurt, they are covered... squat on Lamar until he's ready to play ball... bonus is the potential savings of 200-250 million guaranteed dollars they would need to fund, based on the contract he's rumored to be looking for...

 

[mike_usagisan]

theoretically, i agree... but its not costing Baltimore to squat on his rights... as long as he's slapped with the exclusive tag, he's got no where to turn and no real leverage to force himself out of charm city...

so the ravens lose a few draft picks by not trading him... go sign Jimmy G, keep their current back up so when he gets hurt, they are covered... squat on Lamar until he's ready to play ball... bonus is the potential savings of 200-250 million guaranteed dollars they would need to fund, based on the contract he's rumored to be looking for...

Couldn't he then move to return that season and suddenly Baltimore has the problem where it has to pay Lamar and Jimmy G?

 

[PatsFan2]

Wouldn't be a huge fan of facing him twice-per-season:

NFL executive: 'Lamar-for-Tua trade makes sense'

Yet another trade rumor regarding Tua Tagovailoa.

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Miami would easily win the division and Lamar owns us hope it never happens they don't need his speed also.

 

[PatsFan2]

Why would anyone trade for Tua? First, he is an injury concern especially with all the concussions this year. Second, he was just an average QB until he got Tyreek Hill. He has two #1 WRs and a great line. Baltimore doesn‘t have great weapons. Third, as the article points out, the Dolphins don’t have a first rounder this year to trade.

Hey injuries' happen Tua played very well when healthy and is still undefeated against us.

 

[Brotherblues]

As I predicted, Jacksons injuries are becoming more serious and happening more frequent.

He has missed 10 games over the last 34 games.

The RB/QB will never work in the NFL. Eventually, the big hit is coming that puts you out of business.

Oh it does work and will continue to work. Teams that go that route will just need to re-think their "franchise QB" definition. They'll need to keep their RB/QB pipeline flowing so that they can replace their RB/QB every 7 years or so. For those teams, gone are the days of "find your franchise QB and pencil him in for 15 years."

 

[Pape]

Couldn't he then move to return that season and suddenly Baltimore has the problem where it has to pay Lamar and Jimmy G?

sure, go right ahead find and exploit the one flaw in my theory lol

i guess that would depend on what his salary is (JGs), and when Lamar would potentially return... didnt say there wasn't any financial risk involved... but if you wanna play poker with the big boys, gotta learn how to bluff at times

 

[Rob0729]

Hey injuries' happen Tua played very well when healthy and is still undefeated against us.

Three concussions in one year doesn't happen very often at all. And Tua has never really had a good game against the Patriots. The Dolphins have won despite Tua in several cases against the Patriots.

Put Mac Jones in the Miami offense though and I think he does just as well or possibly better than Tua. Tua is more mobile, but Jones is more accurate of a passer and would excel in an offense that is designed to get Hill and Waddle the ball quickly and let them do damage after the catch. Hill and Waddle combined had over 1,000 YAC.

 

[PatsFan2]

Three concussions in one year doesn't happen very often at all. And Tua has never really had a good game against the Patriots. The Dolphins have won despite Tua in several cases against the Patriots.

Put Mac Jones in the Miami offense though and I think he does just as well or possibly better than Tua. Tua is more mobile, but Jones is more accurate of a passer and would excel in an offense that is designed to get Hill and Waddle the ball quickly and let them do damage after the catch. Hill and Waddle combined had over 1,000 YAC.

Put Mac Jones in the Miami Offense and yadda yadda yadda for players like Hill and Waddle to get YAC the QB has to put the football on them. Mac struggle with Slant throws we better hope Bob can fix that. That's something that bothered me with Mac last year he couldn't make all the throws which limits him and our Offense it wasn't all Patricia.

 

[mike_usagisan]

sure, go right ahead find and exploit the one flaw in my theory lol

i guess that would depend on what his salary is (JGs), and when Lamar would potentially return... didnt say there wasn't any financial risk involved... but if you wanna play poker with the big boys, gotta learn how to bluff at times

Agreed, but I just think we're mostly beyond the stage where the team has all the leverage. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Rob0729]

Put Mac Jones in the Miami Offense and yadda yadda yadda for players like Hill and Waddle to get YAC the QB has to put the football on them. Mac struggle with Slant throws we better hope Bob can fix that. That's something that bothered me with Mac last year he couldn't make all the throws which limits him and our Offense it wasn't all Patricia.

Mac excelled with slant throws under McDaniels. He was money on short and intermediate passes in 2021. He struggled with deep passes that year. The Miami offense seems taylor made for Mac Jones. Actually, it may be more taylor made for him than Tua.

 

[PatsFan2]

Mac excelled with slant throws under McDaniels. He was money on short and intermediate passes in 2021. He struggled with deep passes that year. The Miami offense seems taylor made for Mac Jones. Actually, it may be more taylor made for him than Tua.

Yep in that world when he throws the football behind the LOS and Hill or Waddle takes it to the house he'd be considered a budding HOFer. Trust me I get it.

 

[Wozzy]

You forgot to mention that Andrews is way better than any of the Ravens WRs. And "LJ can't hit the broadside of a barn" but the team has been a hopeless disaster every time he's out. And LJ's a former league MVP with a 9.0 TD% which is phenomenal. (But we can continue that discussion in the QB thread.)

LJ has had good receivers the entirety of his time there, it hasn’t helped. His best season was when he had 3-4 good TE’s in his MVP season.

Marquise Brown literally left because the team rarely passed and he was underutilized. A little receiver is a bad proposition downfield for LJ.

And you keep mentioning all the TD’s he threw one season. Yeah… he threw a lot of TD’s but not a lot of yards. The offense would get down near the goal line running the ball and he had 3 massive TE’s around the goal line. His stats have come crashing back to Earth now that teams have film on him and that method never works in the playoffs. Opposing playoff defenses are too good, you have to be able to pass from the pocket… and he sucks at it.

Lamar to Miami or NYJ would be very bad news for the Patriots. It would also make either one of those teams legitimate contenders with Buffalo for the division.

Lamar Jackson has one playoff victory in his entire career… but we should be scared. Makes sense somewhere… maybe we could discuss why the Ravens are hesitant to sign him to a contract.

 

[PatsFan2]

LJ has had good receivers the entirety of his time there, it hasn’t helped. His best season was when he had 3-4 good TE’s in his MVP season.

Marquise Brown literally left because the team rarely passed and he was underutilized. A little receiver is a bad proposition downfield for LJ.

And you keep mentioning all the TD’s he threw one season. Yeah… he threw a lot of TD’s but not a lot of yards. The offense would get down near the goal line running the ball and he had 3 massive TE’s around the goal line. His stats have come crashing back to Earth now that teams have film on him and that method never works in the playoffs. Opposing playoff defenses are too good, you have to be able to pass from the pocket… and he sucks at it.

Lamar Jackson has one playoff victory in his entire career… but we should be scared. Makes sense somewhere… maybe we could discuss why the Ravens are hesitant to sign him to a contract.

Not true other than Marquise Brown.

 

[Triumph]

Jackson would definitely hold out under that scenario. He can basically force a trade. Unless Baltimore just decides to trash the 2023 season out of spite (which seems doubtful).


I think there are a few teams that possibly would consider Tua... Colts, Panthers, Falcons, Raiders (if McDaniels gets desperate). But I totally agree, his career looks to be heading toward an inevitable early end.


Yes, it's definitely concerning and a huge disappointment for fans like me who thought he could revolutionize the QB position in the NFL. He was brilliant in 2019 and I'm not quitting on him yet. The unfortunate reality for Baltimore is he doesn't want to play there anymore and they've been completely awful without him. I hope he gets a fresh start next season and I think there will be multiple takers.


Certainly this is the unfortunate track record. Josh Allen has been able to avoid injuries to this point and he runs like a fullback. He's the ideal dual threat QB in the league right now (but he absolutely needs to clean up the turnovers). Like I said, I haven't given up on Jackson and I have high hopes for Fields (if Chicago can get their **** together and build a team around him). Hurts played like a champion in the Super Bowl and he has a very bright NFL career ahead of him. One of these guys is winning a Super Bowl very soon.


You forgot to mention that Andrews is way better than any of the Ravens WRs. And "LJ can't hit the broadside of a barn" but the team has been a hopeless disaster every time he's out. And LJ's a former league MVP with a 9.0 TD% which is phenomenal. (But we can continue that discussion in the QB thread.)


Lamar to Miami or NYJ would be very bad news for the Patriots. It would also make either one of those teams legitimate contenders with Buffalo for the division.

I've never agreed with gambling on the health of your franchise QB by letting him run to his hearts content.

Sure, on that 3rd and 10 and there is nothing but real estate in front of the QB for 15 yards? By all means take it if the pass is not there.

 

[Rob0729]

Yep in that world when he throws the football behind the LOS and Hill or Waddle takes it to the house he'd be considered a budding HOFer. Trust me I get it.

I get it. You hate the guy. You created an alternative reality of his rookie year where all he did was throw behind the line of scrimmage.