Chess Not Checkers

[patman52]

This thread is FAIL.

The Eagles brass are brilliant. They will pay Brown bargain basement money for the next 2 seasons. Browns big money does not increase until 2025 and the final year of his contract has 30 million in salary that he may never see. The Eagles will have the option to cut Brown or convert the 30 million in salary into signing bonus.

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Meanwhile, checker players on the Patriots are paying each of the Dynamic Duo - Jonnu and Henry - basically the same amount in new money as a weapon like AJ Brown will earn in 2023.

Still 70 mill for three years is still too much.

 

[Triumph]

The Eagles defense are the culprits here.

You don't need a Tyreek Hill as open as the Chiefs WRs were on those TDs. KC also rushed for 6.1 YPC. The Eagle DB admitted that he grabbed JuJu on the holding call at the end. That sealed the Eagles fate. No penalty and the Chiefs kick the FG and give the ball back to Philly with plenty of time to win or at the very least tie the game.

 

[Triumph]

Still 70 mill for three years is still too much.

4 years.

The extension began this season and Brown got 40 million at signing.

 

[203Pat]

Still 70 mill for three years is still too much.

I would rather pay his contract and get his production than pay Agholor's contract and get Agholor's production.

 

[borg]

PHI traded a mid 1st and a 4th for AJ Brown. They signed him to a contract for $25M a year, with $57M guaranteed.

How many other coaches would do something so outrageous?
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What would we say if Belichick traded a 1st and 4th for a top WR and signed him to a such a contract?

What should we say about BB's "chess" moves?

Patriot "weapons" cap hits (2022)

WRs......$27.3 mill
Nelson Agholor $14.9 mill
Kendrick Bourne $6.4 mill
Devante Parker $6 mill

TEs...........$23.9 mill
Hunter Henry $15 mill
Jonnu Smith $8.4 mill

Combined 2022 cap hits......$51.2 mill

They made it to the Super Bowl and Brown was a huge reason why with 1496 yards and 11 TDs.

While BB's "chess" moves .......

WRs
Agholor......362 yds...2 TDs
Bourne........434 yds...1 TD
Parker........539.............3 TDs
Combined......1,335 yds...6 TDs
($27.3 mill cap hit)

TEs
Henry.....509 yds...2 TDs
Smith.....245 yds....0 TDs

Combined WRs + TEs......2,089 yds......8 TDs
($51.2 mill cap hit)

 

[Jlaff]

What should we say about BB's "chess" moves?

Patriot "weapons" cap hits (2022)

WRs......$27.3 mill
Nelson Agholor $14.9 mill
Kendrick Bourne $6.4 mill
Devante Parker $6 mill

TEs...........$23.9 mill
Hunter Henry $15 mill
Jonnu Smith $8.4 mill

Combined 2022 cap hits......$51.2 mill


While BB's "chess" moves .......

WRs
Agholor......362 yds...2 TDs
Bourne........434 yds...1 TD
Parker........539.............3 TDs
Combined......1,335 yds...6 TDs
($27.3 mill cap hit)

TEs
Henry.....509 yds...2 TDs
Smith.....245 yds....0 TDs

Combined WRs + TEs......2,089 yds......8 TDs
($51.2 mill cap hit)

Wow, AJ Brown was 1496 yards 11 touchdowns in 2022. Would have been a deal at $40 million in comparison.

I'd add Parker and Bourne were fine signings imo.

 

[mgteich]

They made it to the Super Bowl and Brown was a huge reason why with 1496 yards and 11 TDs.

Who cares about pre 2022? Its about what the player will do on your team tomorrow in your system. Brown was stuck playing with Tannehill.

My point is that PHI gave Brown $57M guaranteed based on his pre-2021 Performance plus turning over a 1st and a 3rd.

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

Amazing trade for Brown for eagles. It would be nice if genius Bill could figure out how to structure contracts like AJ Brown’s as opposed to Agholor and Jonnu Smith’s

 

[TheRainMaker]

Eagles made all the right moves, they got to the damn Super Bowl! Because the Pats don't have a star QB, they need to elevate Mac (or whoever the QB is) with elite talent that can not only get open, but do also damage after the catch.

The Pats had among the worst WR's in the NFL last year and yet somehow had the 2nd highest cap number. Horrible money management by Bill.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I would rather pay his contract and get his production than pay Agholor's contract and get Agholor's production.

I agree with you. But of course there is a salary cap and you are ignoring that it is AJ's contract versus Agholor's + other guys who can be signed with the extra cap dollars since Agholor's contract is lower. I do not know what the comparison looks like if it is apples-to-apples.

 

[Sciz]

Is Parker’s ~$6.2M the most the Patriots have paid a player the season after trading for him? If we’re going by a percentage of the cap, then Martellus Bennett’s $5.2M in 2016 is more, and there might be others before that. I remember asking this a while ago and don’t remember if I was missing anybody.

Someone like Jerry Jeudy ($2.7M in 2023, $13M 5th year option in 2024) seems way more likely to me than trading pick 14 to pay Tee Higgins $27M a year.

 

[Triumph]

My point is that PHI gave Brown $57M guaranteed based on his pre-2021 Performance plus turning over a 1st and a 3rd.

The Pat's overpaid for Agahlor based on his past performance.

None of the drafted 2022 1st round pick WRs stood out this season. Dealing a 1st for Brown was draft capital well spent for a Super Bowl appearance. Did you miss his TD catch? The 4th round pick is not that big of a deal. Do the Eagles have any compensatory picks coming their way?

Playing checkers is paying and spending the draft picks to get a player that will be a key part in getting to a Super Bowl and you pull it off ? I like checkers.

 

[BTTA]

No penalty and the Chiefs kick the FG and give the ball back to Philly with plenty of time to win or at the very least tie the game.

No penalty and the Chiefs WR is wide open and Mahomes throws to him for a TD, instead of over him as he did to highlight the holding call.

 

[Triumph]

No penalty and the Chiefs WR is wide open and Mahomes throws to him for a TD, instead of over him as he did to highlight the holding call.

Cover the WR without holding and maybe the Eagles get that ball back.

Last team with the ball wins.

The Bengals committed a stupid penalty to lose and so did the Eagles.

 

[BTTA]

Cover the WR without holding and maybe the Eagles get that ball back.

Last team with the ball wins.

The Bengals committed a stupid penalty to lose and so did the Eagles.

Sure, but they were pretty much unable to do that the entire second half. Why should that drive end differently than the prior 4?